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Who Is Sikh? Who Is Not?

Randip Singh

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ਅਸਟਪਦੀ
असटपदी ॥
Asatpaḏī.
Ashtapadee:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਕਰੈ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ
सतिगुरु सिख की करै प्रतिपाल ॥
Saṯgur sikẖ kī karai parṯipāl.
The True Guru cherishes His Sikh.

ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਦਇਆਲ
सेवक कउ गुरु सदा दइआल ॥
Sėvak ka­o gur saḏā ḏa­i­āl.
The Guru is always merciful to His servant.

ਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਲੁ ਹਿਰੈ
सिख की गुरु दुरमति मलु हिरै ॥
Sikẖ kī gur ḏurmaṯ mal hirai.
The Guru washes away the filth of the evil intellect of His Sikh.

ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਰੈ
गुर बचनी हरि नामु उचरै ॥
Gur bacẖnī har nām ucẖrai.
Through the Guru's Teachings, he chants the Lord's Name.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟੈ
सतिगुरु सिख के बंधन काटै ॥
Saṯgur sikẖ kė banḏẖan kātai.
The True Guru cuts away the bonds of His Sikh.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਿਖੁ ਬਿਕਾਰ ਤੇ ਹਾਟੈ
गुर का सिखु बिकार ते हाटै ॥
Gur kā sikẖ bikār ṯė hātai.
The Sikh of the Guru abstains from evil deeds.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਉ ਨਾਮ ਧਨੁ ਦੇਇ
सतिगुरु सिख कउ नाम धनु देइ ॥
Saṯgur sikẖ ka­o nām ḏẖan ḏė­ė.
The True Guru gives His Sikh the wealth of the Naam.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਿਖੁ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਹੇ
गुर का सिखु वडभागी हे ॥
Gur kā sikẖ vadbẖāgī hė.
The Sikh of the Guru is very fortunate.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਾ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਵਾਰੈ
सतिगुरु सिख का हलतु पलतु सवारै ॥
Saṯgur sikẖ kā halaṯ palaṯ savārai.
The True Guru arranges this world and the next for His Sikh.

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਉ ਜੀਅ ਨਾਲਿ ਸਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
नानक सतिगुरु सिख कउ जीअ नालि समारै ॥१॥
Nānak saṯgur sikẖ ka­o jī­a nāl samārai. ||1||
O Nanak, with the fullness of His heart, the True Guru mends His Sikh. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਿ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੋ ਰਹੈ
गुर कै ग्रिहि सेवकु जो रहै ॥
Gur kai garihi sėvak jo rahai.
That selfless servant, who lives in the Guru's household,

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਹੈ
गुर की आगिआ मन महि सहै ॥
Gur kī āgi­ā man meh sahai.
is to obey the Guru's Commands with all his mind.

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਛੁ ਜਨਾਵੈ
आपस कउ करि कछु न जनावै ॥
Āpas ka­o kar kacẖẖ na janāvai.
He is not to call attention to himself in any way.

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਦ ਧਿਆਵੈ
हरि हरि नामु रिदै सद धिआवै ॥
Har har nām riḏai saḏ ḏẖi­āvai.
He is to meditate constantly within his heart on the Name of the Lord.

ਮਨੁ ਬੇਚੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ
मनु बेचै सतिगुर कै पासि ॥
Man bėcẖai saṯgur kai pās.
One who sells his mind to the True Guru -

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੇ ਕਾਰਜ ਰਾਸਿ
तिसु सेवक के कारज रासि ॥
Ŧis sėvak kė kāraj rās.
that humble servant's affairs are resolved.

ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਹਕਾਮੀ
सेवा करत होइ निहकामी ॥
Sėvā karaṯ ho­ė nihkāmī.
One who performs selfless service, without thought of reward,

ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਹੋਤ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ
तिस कउ होत परापति सुआमी ॥
Ŧis ka­o hoṯ parāpaṯ su­āmī.
shall attain his Lord and Master.

ਅਪਨੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇਇ
अपनी क्रिपा जिसु आपि करेइ ॥
Apnī kirpā jis āp karė­i.
He Himself grants His Grace;

ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਲੇਇ ॥੨॥
नानक सो सेवकु गुर की मति लेइ ॥२॥
Nānak so sėvak gur kī maṯ lė­ė. ||2||
O Nanak, that selfless servant lives the Guru's Teachings. ||2||

ਬੀਸ ਬਿਸਵੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ
बीस बिसवे गुर का मनु मानै ॥
Bīs bisvė gur kā man mānai.
One who obeys the Guru's Teachings one hundred per cent -

ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਜਾਨੈ
सो सेवकु परमेसुर की गति जानै ॥
So sėvak parmėsur kī gaṯ jānai.
that selfless servant comes to know the state of the Transcendent Lord.

ਸੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ
सो सतिगुरु जिसु रिदै हरि नाउ ॥
So saṯgur jis riḏai har nā­o.
The True Guru's Heart is filled with the Name of the Lord.

ਅਨਿਕ ਬਾਰ ਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ
अनिक बार गुर कउ बलि जाउ ॥
Anik bār gur ka­o bal jā­o.
So many times, I am a sacrifice to the Guru.

ਸਰਬ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਜੀਅ ਕਾ ਦਾਤਾ
सरब निधान जीअ का दाता ॥
Sarab niḏẖān jī­a kā ḏāṯā.
He is the treasure of everything, the Giver of life.

ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ
आठ पहर पारब्रहम रंगि राता ॥
Āṯẖ pahar pārbarahm rang rāṯā.
Twenty-four hours a day, He is imbued with the Love of the Supreme Lord God.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹਿ ਜਨੁ ਜਨ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ
ब्रहम महि जनु जन महि पारब्रहमु ॥
Barahm meh jan jan meh pārbarahm.
The servant is in God, and God is in the servant.

ਏਕਹਿ ਆਪਿ ਨਹੀ ਕਛੁ ਭਰਮੁ
एकहि आपि नही कछु भरमु ॥
Ėkeh āp nahī kacẖẖ bẖaram.
He Himself is One - there is no doubt about this.

ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਨਪ ਲਇਆ ਜਾਈਐ
सहस सिआनप लइआ न जाईऐ ॥
Sahas si­ānap la­i­ā na jā­ī­ai.
By thousands of clever tricks, He is not found.

ਨਾਨਕ ਐਸਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਬਡਭਾਗੀ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੩॥
नानक ऐसा गुरु बडभागी पाईऐ ॥३॥
Nānak aisā gur badbẖāgī pā­ī­ai. ||3||
O Nanak, such a Guru is obtained by the greatest good fortune. ||3||

ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪੇਖਤ ਪੁਨੀਤ
सफल दरसनु पेखत पुनीत ॥
Safal ḏarsan pėkẖaṯ punīṯ.
Blessed is His Darshan; receiving it, one is purified.

ਪਰਸਤ ਚਰਨ ਗਤਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਰੀਤਿ
परसत चरन गति निरमल रीति ॥
Parsaṯ cẖaran gaṯ nirmal rīṯ.
Touching His Feet, one's conduct and lifestyle become pure.

ਭੇਟਤ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਮ ਗੁਨ ਰਵੇ
भेटत संगि राम गुन रवे ॥
Bẖėtaṯ sang rām gun ravė.
Abiding in His Company, one chants the Lord's Praise,

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੀ ਦਰਗਹ ਗਵੇ
पारब्रहम की दरगह गवे ॥
Pārbarahm kī ḏargeh gavė.
and reaches the Court of the Supreme Lord God.

ਸੁਨਿ ਕਰਿ ਬਚਨ ਕਰਨ ਆਘਾਨੇ
सुनि करि बचन करन आघाने ॥
Sun kar bacẖan karan āgẖānė.
Listening to His Teachings, one's ears are satisfied.

ਮਨਿ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਆਤਮ ਪਤੀਆਨੇ
मनि संतोखु आतम पतीआने ॥
Man sanṯokẖ āṯam paṯī­ānė.
The mind is contented, and the soul is fulfilled.

ਪੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਅਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਓ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ
पूरा गुरु अख्यओ जा का मंत्र ॥
Pūrā gur akẖ­ya­o jā kā manṯar.
The Guru is perfect; His Teachings are everlasting.

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਪੇਖੈ ਹੋਇ ਸੰਤ
अम्रित द्रिसटि पेखै होइ संत ॥
Amriṯ ḏarisat pėkẖai ho­ė sanṯ.
Beholding His Ambrosial Glance, one becomes saintly.

ਗੁਣ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਇ
गुण बिअंत कीमति नही पाइ ॥
Guṇ bi­anṯ kīmaṯ nahī pā­ė.
Endless are His virtuous qualities; His worth cannot be appraised.

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਲਏ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥੪॥
नानक जिसु भावै तिसु लए मिलाइ ॥४॥
Nānak jis bẖāvai ṯis la­ė milā­ė. ||4||
O Nanak, one who pleases Him is united with Him. ||4||

ਜਿਹਬਾ ਏਕ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਅਨੇਕ
जिहबा एक उसतति अनेक ॥
Jihbā ėk usṯaṯ anėk.
The tongue is one, but His Praises are many.

ਸਤਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਪੂਰਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ
सति पुरख पूरन बिबेक ॥
Saṯ purakẖ pūran bibėk.
The True Lord, of perfect perfection,.

ਕਾਹੂ ਬੋਲ ਪਹੁਚਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ
काहू बोल न पहुचत प्रानी ॥
Kāhū bol na pahucẖaṯ parānī.
no speech can take the mortal to Him.

ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਨਿਰਬਾਨੀ
अगम अगोचर प्रभ निरबानी ॥
Agam agocẖar parabẖ nirbānī.
God is Inaccessible, Incomprehensible, balanced in the state of Nirvaanaa.

ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰ ਨਿਰਵੈਰ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ
निराहार निरवैर सुखदाई ॥
Nirāhār nirvair sukẖ­ḏā­ī.
He is not sustained by food; He has no hatred or vengeance; He is the Giver of peace.

ਤਾ ਕੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਪਾਈ
ता की कीमति किनै न पाई ॥
Ŧā kī kīmaṯ kinai na pā­ī.
No one can estimate His worth.

ਅਨਿਕ ਭਗਤ ਬੰਦਨ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ
अनिक भगत बंदन नित करहि ॥
Anik bẖagaṯ banḏan niṯ karahi.
Countless devotees continually bow in reverence to Him.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ
चरन कमल हिरदै सिमरहि ॥
Cẖaran kamal hirḏai simrahi.
In their hearts, they meditate on His Lotus Feet.

ਸਦ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਪਨੇ
सद बलिहारी सतिगुर अपने ॥
Saḏ balihārī saṯgur apnė.
Nanak is forever a sacrifice to the True Guru;

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸੁ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਐਸਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਜਪਨੇ ॥੫॥
नानक जिसु प्रसादि ऐसा प्रभु जपने ॥५॥
Nānak jis parsāḏ aisā parabẖ japnė. ||5||
by His Grace, he meditates on God. ||5||

ਇਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ
इहु हरि रसु पावै जनु कोइ ॥
Ih har ras pāvai jan ko­ė.
Only a few obtain this ambrosial essence of the Lord's Name.

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਵੈ ਅਮਰੁ ਸੋ ਹੋਇ
अम्रितु पीवै अमरु सो होइ ॥
Amriṯ pīvai amar so ho­ė.
Drinking in this Nectar, one becomes immortal.

ਉਸੁ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਦੇ ਬਿਨਾਸ
उसु पुरख का नाही कदे बिनास ॥
Us purakẖ kā nāhī kaḏė binās.
That person never dies,

ਜਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੇ ਗੁਨਤਾਸ
जा कै मनि प्रगटे गुनतास ॥
Jā kai man pargatė gunṯās.
whose mind is illuminated by the treasure of excellence.

ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੇਇ
आठ पहर हरि का नामु लेइ ॥
Āṯẖ pahar har kā nām lė­ė.
Twenty-four hours a day, he takes the Name of the Lord.

ਸਚੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਦੇਇ
सचु उपदेसु सेवक कउ देइ ॥
Sacẖ upḏės sėvak ka­o ḏė­ė.
The Lord gives true instruction to His servant.

ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਲੇਪੁ
मोह माइआ कै संगि न लेपु ॥
Moh mā­i­ā kai sang na lėp.
He is not polluted by emotional attachment to Maya.

ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਰਾਖੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਏਕੁ
मन महि राखै हरि हरि एकु ॥
Man meh rākẖai har har ėk.
In his mind, he cherishes the One Lord, Har, Har.

ਅੰਧਕਾਰ ਦੀਪਕ ਪਰਗਾਸੇ
अंधकार दीपक परगासे ॥
Anḏẖkār ḏīpak pargāsė.
In the pitch darkness, a lamp shines forth.

ਨਾਨਕ ਭਰਮ ਮੋਹ ਦੁਖ ਤਹ ਤੇ ਨਾਸੇ ॥੬॥
नानक भरम मोह दुख तह ते नासे ॥६॥
Nānak bẖaram moh ḏukẖ ṯah ṯė nāsė. ||6||
O Nanak, doubt, emotional attachment and pain are erased. ||6||

ਤਪਤਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਠਾਢਿ ਵਰਤਾਈ
तपति माहि ठाढि वरताई ॥
Ŧapaṯ māhi ṯẖādẖ varṯā­ī.
In the burning heat, a soothing coolness prevails.

ਅਨਦੁ ਭਇਆ ਦੁਖ ਨਾਠੇ ਭਾਈ
अनदु भइआ दुख नाठे भाई ॥
Anaḏ bẖa­i­ā ḏukẖ nāṯẖė bẖā­ī.
Happiness ensues and pain departs, O Siblings of Destiny.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕੇ ਮਿਟੇ ਅੰਦੇਸੇ
जनम मरन के मिटे अंदेसे ॥
Janam maran kė mitė anḏėsė.
The fear of birth and death is dispelled,

ਸਾਧੂ ਕੇ ਪੂਰਨ ਉਪਦੇਸੇ
साधू के पूरन उपदेसे ॥
Sāḏẖū kė pūran upḏėsė.
by the perfect Teachings of the Holy Saint.

ਭਉ ਚੂਕਾ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਹੋਇ ਬਸੇ
भउ चूका निरभउ होइ बसे ॥
Bẖa­o cẖūkā nirbẖa­o ho­ė basė.
Fear is lifted, and one abides in fearlessness.

ਸਗਲ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਮਨ ਤੇ ਖੈ ਨਸੇ
सगल बिआधि मन ते खै नसे ॥
Sagal bi­āḏẖ man ṯė kẖai nasė.
All evils are dispelled from the mind.

ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਸਾ ਤਿਨਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰੀ
जिस का सा तिनि किरपा धारी ॥
Jis kā sā ṯin kirpā ḏẖārī.
He takes us into His favor as His own.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਜਪਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੀ
साधसंगि जपि नामु मुरारी ॥
Sāḏẖsang jap nām murārī.
In the Company of the Holy, chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਥਿਤਿ ਪਾਈ ਚੂਕੇ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਗਵਨ
थिति पाई चूके भ्रम गवन ॥
Thiṯ pā­ī cẖūkė bẖaram gavan.
Stability is attained; doubt and wandering cease,

ਸੁਨਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਸ੍ਰਵਨ ॥੭॥
सुनि नानक हरि हरि जसु स्रवन ॥७॥
Sun Nānak har har jas sarvan. ||7||
O Nanak, listening with one's ears to the Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||7||

ਨਿਰਗੁਨੁ ਆਪਿ ਸਰਗੁਨੁ ਭੀ ਓਹੀ
निरगुनु आपि सरगुनु भी ओही ॥
Nirgun āp sargun bẖī ohī.
He Himself is absolute and unrelated; He Himself is also involved and related.

ਕਲਾ ਧਾਰਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਸਗਲੀ ਮੋਹੀ
कला धारि जिनि सगली मोही ॥
Kalā ḏẖār jin saglī mohī.
Manifesting His power, He fascinates the entire world.

ਅਪਨੇ ਚਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਬਨਾਏ
अपने चरित प्रभि आपि बनाए ॥
Apnė cẖariṯ parabẖ āp banā­ė.
God Himself sets His play in motion.

ਅਪੁਨੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਪਾਏ
अपुनी कीमति आपे पाए ॥
Apunī kīmaṯ āpė pā­ė.
Only He Himself can estimate His worth.

ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ
हरि बिनु दूजा नाही कोइ ॥
Har bin ḏūjā nāhī ko­ė.
There is none, other than the Lord.

ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਸੋਇ
सरब निरंतरि एको सोइ ॥
Sarab niranṯar ėko so­ė.
Permeating all, He is the One.

ਓਤਿ ਪੋਤਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ
ओति पोति रविआ रूप रंग ॥
Oṯ poṯ ravi­ā rūp rang.
Through and through, He pervades in form and color.

ਭਏ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸ ਸਾਧ ਕੈ ਸੰਗ
भए प्रगास साध कै संग ॥
Bẖa­ė pargās sāḏẖ kai sang.
He is revealed in the Company of the Holy.

ਰਚਿ ਰਚਨਾ ਅਪਨੀ ਕਲ ਧਾਰੀ
रचि रचना अपनी कल धारी ॥
Racẖ racẖnā apnī kal ḏẖārī.
Having created the creation, He infuses His own power into it.

ਅਨਿਕ ਬਾਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ॥੮॥੧੮॥
अनिक बार नानक बलिहारी ॥८॥१८॥
Anik bār Nānak balihārī. ||8||18||
So many times, Nanak is a sacrifice to Him. ||8||18||
 

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(quote cunuck Singh)

The essence has been described, participants are many a few obtain as per Gurbani, then who are the rest of the participants?
Ponder over, answer about Ashok ,me and many others will be clear.:idea:
 

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(quote cunuck Singh)

The essence has been described, participants are many a few obtain as per Gurbani, then who are the rest of the participants?
Ponder over, answer about Ashok ,me and many others will be clear.:idea:

Forgive my ignorance, I do not understand what is being stated in this post.
 

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Forgive my ignorance, I do not understand what is being stated in this post.


Very Very sorry for creating the confusion, in a hurry I forgot to post quot which I consider " an essence" from your post
( quote Canuck singh Ji) What is there to replace it? Gurbani says that amongst millions, rare is that individual who has Love of the Lord in their heart. Very few and rare individuals' realized and accepted the True reality in their lifetimes, and here we are today attempting to discern their message...
r quote. Kindly reread my comments after reading your comments I called essance, here it is.

Hope now you will understand my comment in context of your comments. Sorry::cool::
 

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TBH still I do not understand
Yet, the host could easily survive without the ego if and when there was something to replace it. What is there to replace it? Gurbani says that amongst millions, rare is that individual who has Love of the Lord in their heart. Very few and rare individuals' realized and accepted the True reality in their lifetimes, and here we are today attempting to discern their message...

then...
The essence has been described, participants are many a few obtain as per Gurbani, then who are the rest of the participants?
Ponder over, answer about Ashok ,me and many others will be clear.:idea:

What is the essence that has been described? Who are the participants who "are many" and "a few obtain as per Gurbani"?
I also wonder 'then who are the rest of the participants?"

Once this is a wee bit more clear perhaps I can restate whatever I stated that was confusing in the first place?
 

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essence =about the ones who would walk on Guru path from you quoted canucksingh Ji, here it is"Gurbani says that amongst millions, rare is that individual who has Love of the Lord in their heart. Very few and rare individuals' realized and accepted the True reality in their lifetimes, and here we are today attempting to discern their message..."
participants= all who like to walk but are not serious, or not successful
a few= who realize and accept the true reality in their life times
calnuck singh Ji, nothing was confusing what you stated, I just quickly tried to word it in condensed statement. I feel, we are participants, are not worth to be considered like those "a few", if we were, story would have been different. Guru ji was very much aware about this truth too; the truth of " a few who will realize the reality" We are just struggling to comprehend only Guru message, the next step seems far away.....again forgive me if any confusion occured due to my wording. Thanks for bearing with me.
 

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essence =about the ones who would walk on Guru path from you quoted canucksingh Ji, here it is"Gurbani says that amongst millions, rare is that individual who has Love of the Lord in their heart. Very few and rare individuals' realized and accepted the True reality in their lifetimes, and here we are today attempting to discern their message..."
participants= all who like to walk but are not serious, or not successful
a few= who realize and accept the true reality in their life times
calnuck singh Ji, nothing was confusing what you stated, I just quickly tried to word it in condensed statement. I feel, we are participants, are not worth to be considered like those "a few", if we were, story would have been different. Guru ji was very much aware about this truth too; the truth of " a few who will realize the reality" We are just struggling to comprehend only Guru message, the next step seems far away.....again forgive me if any confusion occured due to my wording. Thanks for bearing with me.

That makes sense, :up: and at least what I said came out clearly.

Indeed, 'a few'. oh so very few...

All people of all faith's believe labelling themselves as religious is like one free trip to some form of heaven... when 'we' are not understanding of the True reality...

"raj na chahoo, mukat na chahoo, man preet charan kamalarey"

If we contemplate for a moment, all those who have come before us, apart from the few Saints and Bhagats, and the Guru's how many have truly lived Inspiring lives in such a way?
 

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Here are some Guru Bachan taken from Randip Singh ji's quote; we as Sikhs should grade honestly ourselves on the basis of Guru Bachan, it will be vey helpful for the battle we need to win against primal negative forces. Thanks Randip Singh ji for posting it.

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਿ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੋ ਰਹੈ
गुर कै ग्रिहि सेवकु जो रहै ॥
Gur kai garihi sėvak jo rahai.
That selfless servant, who lives in the Guru's household,

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਹੈ
गुर की आगिआ मन महि सहै ॥
Gur kī āgi*ā man meh sahai.
is to obey the Guru's Commands with all his mind.

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਛੁ ਜਨਾਵੈ
आपस कउ करि कछु न जनावै ॥
Āpas ka*o kar kacẖẖ na janāvai.
He is not to call attention to himself in any way.

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਦ ਧਿਆਵੈ
हरि हरि नामु रिदै सद धिआवै ॥
Har har nām riḏai saḏ ḏẖi*āvai.
He is to meditate constantly within his heart on the Name of the Lord.

ਮਨੁ ਬੇਚੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ
मनु बेचै सतिगुर कै पासि ॥
Man bėcẖai saṯgur kai pās.
One who sells his mind to the True Guru -

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੇ ਕਾਰਜ ਰਾਸਿ
तिसु सेवक के कारज रासि ॥
Ŧis sėvak kė kāraj rās.
that humble servant's affairs are resolved.

ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਹਕਾਮੀ
सेवा करत होइ निहकामी ॥
Sėvā karaṯ ho*ė nihkāmī.
One who performs selfless service, without thought of reward,

ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਹੋਤ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ
तिस कउ होत परापति सुआमी ॥
Ŧis ka*o hoṯ parāpaṯ su*āmī.
shall attain his Lord and Master.
 

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A blind man approached a wise man/saint/rishi for advise. He told him..i am always being knocked into by people at night as they cant see me......always carry alantern at night...was the solution advised by the wise man....
But one night the blind man carrying alighterd lantern was once again knocked into by another....you FOOL didnt you see me inspite of the light i am carrying....NO YOU are the FOOL shouted the other...I am BLIND...and I am carrying a lighted lantern and yet you couldnt see it..

are we the BLIND...carrying lights for other blind ones....

Gyani jarnail Singh
 

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Lots of interesting issues here.
A wise man once told me - you don't choose the Guru to be his Sikh. He chooses you.

"When the disciple is ready, the teacher will appear."

-Jaspreet
 

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aad jio,
this is not about the "Blind" leading....anyone..blind or sighted...
Its about a "Blind" one carrying a light ( obviously for the sighted) to enabvle the sighted to avoid knocking into the blind carrier....but in this case the other one was also blind ( but also carrying a light so that the sighted wouldnt knock into him)...akin to a Blind man driving a Car with High Beam headlights on knocking into another car also driven by a blind man but having its headlights on. The Headlights are meant to WARN those who can SEE to avoid the car...!!! but since BOTH the drivers are BLIND..the headlights didnt make a difference...
My point is to highlight a so called "Amrtidharee" well versed with Gurbani/nitnem etc may be "blind" but having the misconception that he is carrying the light of Gurbani....we make the mistake of thinking that its our EYES that see...its actually the GYAAN/DHYAAN of the Creator that enables us to really" SEE"...

Gyani jarnail Singh
 

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Jios, Thank you for two good rejoinders.

I see what you mean Gyani Jarnail ji.

And amarsanghera ji, when the batteries run out, looks like a big mess up ahead on the road. Naturally the "highway patrol" has to do an investigation and give the official spin to the situation. This is followed by a string of newspaper articles in which everyone's explanation except the stories of the accident victims are restated 20 times. :confused:

Thus giving more meaning to Gyani's conclusion: we make the mistake of thinking that its our EYES that see...its actually the GYAAN/DHYAAN of the Creator that enables us to really" SEE"...
 

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( quote) Lots of interesting issues here.
A wise man once told me - you don't choose the Guru to be his Sikh. He chooses you.

"When the disciple is ready, the teacher will appear."

-Jaspreet 08 Ji
Sorry to say that, to me, these are very impractical statements; there is another statement but a little practical one
“Seeking Guru is an initial step, looking to see a Guru is a crowd mentality because seekers seek, lookers just look and remain tied to their own minds.
How does one get ready for Guru and then Guru comes by” is it a day dreaming? Getting ready itself requires Guru.
For Sikhs, there is no space for choosing a Guru, in reality Guru is there well defined, problem is, do we listen to Guru and live what he says or just bow and go back to” business as usual”? I have seen pseudo religious men saying” Just doing all as per His Hukam, we are doing Guru Seva” Come on, is it His Hukam to flourish on others money and preach but don’t practice? How long such people can keep be fooling others? All the time if there is no faith in the Guru, hypocrisy keeps rising till one totally loses conscious. Some talk about humbleness, goodness, preach against ego, greed, lust; however, they allow an element of all primal negative forces to blossom within, I call it a business scheme, real purpose is not given preference like helping others to come back to the Creator as Guru says” aap Jao awar ko japawo” Fear of law keeps many to stay straight, so does fear of God, from law, there are quick consequences , from God, things seem being put off, and life goes on. I would like to share what I heard from some one who feels the basic facts Guru Nanak Ji preached are


  • To contemplate on His Naam( Naam Japna)
  • work hard based on righteous principles( Dharam dee Kirat Karni
  • Sharing with all others what have ( wand shakana)
  • To win over lust, anger, attachment, greed and ego and cultivate truth, contentment, tolerance and love in our soul, in other words a battle within is a must.
Enlightened ones have shared their experiences, it is us who just say” balle Balle, Dhann, Dhann” then get back into the same quagmire we were before due to our minds’ preferences Thanks for sharing your views though..
 

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Who is a Sikh? A Sikh is a person who takes his spiritual guidance only from the Sikh Gurus; who believes in and remembers the one God (Simran), commonly referred to as Waheguru, at all times; believes in the equality of all beings and selfless service to humanity (Seva); believes in the protection of the weak (Kurbani); preservation of peace; the promotion of personal qualities of Sat (Truth); Daya (Compassion); Santokh (Contenment); Nimrata (Humility); and Pyare (Love); and who at all times constantly repels the inner five evils of Kam (Lust), Krodh (Rage), Lobh (Greed), Moh (Attachment) and Ahankar (Ego).
 

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jaspreet80 Ji

I truly appreciate your big heart; however, please, you do not need to apologize at all since you did nothing wrong by sharing views with all of us. You are obviously wonderful soul.
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( quote) Lots of interesting issues here.
A wise man once told me - you don't choose the Guru to be his Sikh. He chooses you.

"When the disciple is ready, the teacher will appear."

-Jaspreet 08 Ji
Sorry to say that, to me, these are very impractical statements; there is another statement but a little practical one
“Seeking Guru is an initial step, looking to see a Guru is a crowd mentality because seekers seek, lookers just look and remain tied to their own minds.
How does one get ready for Guru and then Guru comes by” is it a day dreaming? Getting ready itself requires Guru.
For Sikhs, there is no space for choosing a Guru, in reality Guru is there well defined, problem is, do we listen to Guru and live what he says or just bow and go back to” business as usual”? I have seen pseudo religious men saying” Just doing all as per His Hukam, we are doing Guru Seva” Come on, is it His Hukam to flourish on others money and preach but don’t practice? How long such people can keep be fooling others? All the time if there is no faith in the Guru, hypocrisy keeps rising till one totally loses conscious. Some talk about humbleness, goodness, preach against ego, greed, lust; however, they allow an element of all primal negative forces to blossom within, I call it a business scheme, real purpose is not given preference like helping others to come back to the Creator as Guru says” aap Jao awar ko japawo” Fear of law keeps many to stay straight, so does fear of God, from law, there are quick consequences , from God, things seem being put off, and life goes on. I would like to share what I heard from some one who feels the basic facts Guru Nanak Ji preached are


  • To contemplate on His Naam( Naam Japna)
  • work hard based on righteous principles( Dharam dee Kirat Karni
  • Sharing with all others what have ( wand shakana)
  • To win over lust, anger, attachment, greed and ego and cultivate truth, contentment, tolerance and love in our soul, in other words a battle within is a must.
Enlightened ones have shared their experiences, it is us who just say” balle Balle, Dhann, Dhann” then get back into the same quagmire we were before due to our minds’ preferences Thanks for sharing your views though..

Jaspreet 08 ji,

On the contrary you have been well advised. Like the Gardener observes each flower in his Garden so does God conscious people observe who is spiritually ready to progress to the next stage. The gardener will select and pick the right flowers at the right time. Due to ones ignorance some feel it to be impractical because they are anxious to be selected. One should subdue their anxiety. Some time ones expectations are so high because they have read so many books and have created an image of a dynamic personality who will instantly transform them. Unfortunately even if they meet a Sadhu/Sant , beacuse it does not fit their criterion they will be left behind.

For a Sikh their Guru is SGGS. But Gurus advocate the company of a Sadhu or a Sant for guidances. Unfortunately People want a Guru on their terms and hence they go out looking for a Guru. SGGS tells us that Guru/Sant/Sadhu is met by His blessing and ones past Karmas. So improve your Karmas and one day you will be blessed with the company of a true Sadhu/Saint. SGGS gives enough guidance to get ready if one is really interested.

Perform these three basic principles of Guru Nanak Dev ji with utmost sincerety

  • To contemplate on His Naam( Naam Japna)
  • work hard based on righteous principles( Dharam dee Kirat Karni
  • Sharing with all others what have ( wand shakana)
Seek/pray for the company of a saint who will tell you how to overcome lust, anger, attachment, greed and ego.

Life if the Fuel.
Lust, Anger, Attachment, Greed and Ego are the five wicks to the Lamp of life. SGGS tells us how to divert these forces to achieve our goal to Salvation. Academics will never meet that goal. Elevate your consciousness by following the teachings of SGGS and leave the rest to HIM.

Guru Bhaley karega.

My humble appologies for Choota muh badi baat. No offence intended .
 

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