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Who is a Gurmukh and Manmukh ?

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Neutral Singh, Aug 19, 2004.

  1. Neutral Singh

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    Okkkkkkkk. Take it easy !!

    Someone said that according to Islam...

    "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab is not superior over a non Arab nor a non Arab is superior over an Arab; also a white is not superior over a black nor a black is superior over a white except by piety and good action."

    We all stand equal. But a non believer is not the same as a believer...

    Ok !!

    Now, I also reffered a Gurbani Verse ...

    Avval Allah Noor Upaya, Kudrat Kae Sabb Bandae,
    Aek Noor Tae Sab Jag Upjaeya, Kon Palae Ko Mandae ||

    Now, one of my newly found friends in another forum described this concept like this... I am reproducing it in its entirity...

    Although, it makes sense to me... but still i would like to hear your views...

    So, my query is...

    Is a Gurmukh in Sikhism a Momin in Islam ?
    Is a Manmukh in Sikhism a {censored word, do not repeat.} in Islam ?

    Are these concepts really identical ?

    Please keep the discussion clean. thanks.

    Best Regards
     
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  3. Kandola

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    well you decide ji.

    gurmukh-one who remembers god and follows the hukam

    manmukh-knows what hes doing is wrong, but carries on.

    the answer is in the post, monmin is gurmukh, {censored word, do not repeat.} is manmukh. it says in the post ji!
     
  4. Amarpal

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    Dear Members

    Gurmukh is one whose thinking, speech and actions are in harmony with one another and with Gurbani as given in Siri Guru Granth Sahib.

    Manmukh is one who lives a life dictated by her/his Maan i.e. desires.

    With love and respect for all.

    Amarpal
     
  5. Tejwant Singh

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    Gurmukh~~~> Tun...Tun...You...You...Your...Yours..( IK ONG KAAR)

    Manmukh~~~> Mein..Mein...I, Me, Mine...

    Tejwant
     
  6. Arvind

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    Tejwant ji,
    Your interpretation of Gurumukh takes me to think towards 'Karta Purakh'. There is only one Karta, and everything belongs to the Karta. tu hi tu, bas tu hi tu, tera hi tera, sab kuch tera...

    Off-topic: Please help me to locate where on Guru Granth Sahib ji is written about qualities of a good sikh. It goes something like - bhalke utth ke naam dhiaye.

    Thanks.
     
  7. etinder

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    yeah i agree with tejvant veerji..i dont there is even a single page in SGGS which doesnt question "haume"and for u arvind veer the quotes goes like this

    This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji in Raag Gauree on Pannaa 305

    mÚ 4 ]
    gur siqgur kw jo isKu AKwey su Blky auiT hir nwmu iDAwvY ]
    audmu kry Blky prBwqI iesnwnu kry AMimRq sir nwvY ]
    aupdyis gurU hir hir jpu jwpY siB iklivK pwp doK lih jwvY ]
    iPir cVY idvsu gurbwxI gwvY bhidAw auTidAw hir nwmu iDAwvY ]
    jo swis igrwis iDAwey myrw hir hir so gurisKu gurU min BwvY ]
    ijs no dieAwlu hovY myrw suAwmI iqsu gurisK gurU aupdysu suxwvY ]
    jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2]
    ma 4 ||
    gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae out(h) har naam dhhiaavai ||
    oudham karae bhalakae parabhaathee eisanaan karae a(n)mrith sar naavai ||
    oupadhaes guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilavikh paap dhokh lehi jaavai ||
    fir charrai dhivas gurabaanee gaavai behadhiaa out(h)adhiaa har naam dhhiaavai ||
    jo saas giraas dhhiaaeae maeraa har har so gurasikh guroo man bhaavai ||
    jis no dhaeiaal hovai maeraa suaamee this gurasikh guroo oupadhaes sunaavai ||
    jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2||

    Fourth Mehl:
    One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.
    Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.
    Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.
    Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.
    One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.
    That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.
    Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||



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  8. Arvind

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    Thank you etinder ji.
     
  9. etinder

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    always welcome arvind veer
     
  10. Bharat Vir Singh

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    Understanding Gurmukh and Manmukh is very easy and straightforward if you just analyse the words themselves:

    Gurmukh is one who follows(obeys)the Guru,
    Manmukh is one who follows his/her self (i.e. own mann or ego).
     

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