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Who does Sri Guru Granth Sahib address most?

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What was the driver behind Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji?

  1. Sri Guru Granth Sahib written to help Hindus become Sikh

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  2. Guru Granth Sahib ji written to help Sikhs stay the course

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  3. Guru Granth Sahib ji written to help all in non-religious ways

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  4. Other (please explan)

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  1. Ambarsaria

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    Our Guru ji were of Hindu lineage. They discovered and wanted to create a future beyond Hinduism. That future in brevity has come to be known as Sikhism.

    In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Guru ji and other writers shattered so many myths of Hiduism, spoke up against ill direction provided by the then purveyors of Hinduism, to some extent also the then leaders or people in-charge of Islam. So to me Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was composed for the following purpose,

    • To help Hindus to unshackle and become wiser and Sikh
    • To help Sikhs that became to have a guiding light forever so to be not lost
    • Anyone else who could just benefit from large amounts of humanistic thoughts, wisdom, poetry and many other attributes of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
    What you think?

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Veer Ji
    To be unshackled and become wiser is possible within being a Hindu,were not many Bhagats Hindu?ofcourse some Hindu's were shackled then just as some Sikhs are shackled now,but the Bhagat was free then and now.

    Sikh or Hindu one is only accepted if he has love for God,if he has just an adherence then he has wasted his life.
     
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    At the times of NANAK,and even few years before the the people were living in a state of slave ,Socially,Politically as well as Religiously.
    The persons with vested interests contolled all these areas and people were being looted by so called self made GuRoo in Hindu Religion and so called Kaji Mullahs iIslamic religions.
    The concept of PARMATMA and GuROO in person as the sole medium of uniting the common people with PARMATAMA was at the peak.General people were being kept ignorant about the true meassges of actual Dhamic Granths.

    Gurbanee thru NANAK and thru previous Bhagats showed a new light of Knowledge which started changing the thought process of common persons for the facts of PARMATAMA and GuRoo. NANAK ji acted as epicetre of this revolution in thinking and giving the messages of real art of living for a common persons.
    Gurbanne messages made it very clear as to who is real GuRoo and esblished a philosophy which categoricaaly removed the existing confusions created by the Heading people of that time.(Both Hindu and Islamic).
    It is very surprising fact of Gurbanee that there is no use of the word PARMATAMA in SGGS.This is because there is no difference in the reference of GuRoo and PARMATAMA.
    Since the word GuRoo is the Epicentre of the whole of Gurbanee there is no place for making use of the word PARMATAMA as this would be confusing.
    Since theSource of Gurbanee is the word GuRoo .This is important to understand.So we can see that the messages of Gurbanee are common for all humans irrespective of Color,Creed,Caste and religion.
    So Gurbanee is gracful whosoever respects from the heart.It tells the way to meet PRABHu thru GuR . (Not PARMATAMA thru GuRoo as our preachers still promote this )

    These are my personal views and there may be difference of opinions which others may present I shall be always eager to learn more and more.

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    BHAGAT SINGH Ji,
    I know that word is"PARMATAMu" not PARMATAMA.

    You are not considering the grammar of the words, and this makes the difference.

    Giving grammatcal consideration to the words you will find difference in the reference meanings of PARMATAMA and PARMATAMu.

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    Go on Veerji. Please elaborate on the difference.

    Also the word Paratma is there as well, which means the same thing as Parmatma. Thoughts on that?
     
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    Pl post the quotes with both the words from SGGS enabling me to rectify myself

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    Parm...atma is our Inner Conscience....the "Atma" is our consciousness based on our daily actions..the Parmatma the BASE STANDARD against which we "measure" whether our atma is doing good or less good... Just like the IMAGE of the Sun or MOON is the SAME in any body of water whether its in rural village in Africa or in Chicago..so is the Par-Atma set as Base Standard in ALL ...so that we can MOULD our secondary atmas accordingly...The atma is in the Bubbles that arise over the waves of the Ocean...each bubble having the same AIR and Water the Ocean contains....ONLY the HUMAN has been given the SARDAREE of this WORLD..he alone has the ability to Follow and ADOPT the Base standards to change his LIFE accordingly...so His Inner Consciousness is SATISFACTORY and at Peace with HIMSELF. Once the Human BODY dies..the BUBBLE BURSTS..the AIR is released..the water falls back into the Ocean...another NEW bubble is created...and LIFE goes ON....and ON..JAISEH JAL TE BUDBUDA upjeh..binseh neet !!!
     
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    Here you go Prakash ji.

    ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
    धनासरी महला १ ॥
    Ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 1.
    Dhanaasaree, First Mehl:
    ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਤਾ ਸਿਮਰਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
    नदरि करे ता सिमरिआ जाइ ॥
    Naḏar kare ṯā simri▫ā jā▫e.
    If the Lord bestows His Glance of Grace, then one remembers Him in meditation.
    ਆਤਮਾ ਦ੍ਰਵੈ ਰਹੈ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥
    आतमा द्रवै रहै लिव लाइ ॥
    Āṯmā ḏarvai rahai liv lā▫e.
    The soul is softened, and he remains absorbed in the Lord's Love.
    ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਏਕੋ ਕਰੈ ॥
    आतमा परातमा एको करै ॥
    Āṯmā parāṯamā eko karai.
    His soul and the Supreme Soul become one.
    ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਮਰੈ ॥੧॥
    अंतर की दुबिधा अंतरि मरै ॥१॥
    Anṯar kī ḏubiḏẖā anṯar marai. ||1||
    The duality of the inner mind is overcome. ||1||
    ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
    गुर परसादी पाइआ जाइ ॥
    Gur parsādī pā▫i▫ā jā▫e.
    By Guru's Grace, God is found.
    ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਗੈ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਾਲੁ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    हरि सिउ चितु लागै फिरि कालु न खाइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Har si▫o cẖiṯ lāgai fir kāl na kẖā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    One's consciousness is attached to the Lord, and so Death does not devour him. ||1||Pause||
    ਸਚਿ ਸਿਮਰਿਐ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥
    सचि सिमरिऐ होवै परगासु ॥
    Sacẖ simri▫ai hovai pargās.
    Remembering the True Lord in meditation, one is enlightened.
    ਤਾ ਤੇ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਮਹਿ ਰਹੈ ਉਦਾਸੁ ॥
    ता ते बिखिआ महि रहै उदासु ॥
    Ŧā ṯe bikẖi▫ā mėh rahai uḏās.
    Then, in the midst of Maya, he remains detached.
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਐਸੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥
    सतिगुर की ऐसी वडिआई ॥
    Saṯgur kī aisī vadi▫ā▫ī.
    Such is the Glory of the True Guru;
    ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਕਲਤ੍ਰ ਵਿਚੇ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥
    पुत्र कलत्र विचे गति पाई ॥२॥
    Puṯar kalṯar vicẖe gaṯ pā▫ī. ||2||
    in the midst of children and spouses, they attain emancipation. ||2||
    ਐਸੀ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰੈ ॥
    ऐसी सेवकु सेवा करै ॥
    Aisī sevak sevā karai.
    Such is the service which the Lord's servant performs,
    ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਜੀਉ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਧਰੈ ॥
    जिस का जीउ तिसु आगै धरै ॥
    Jis kā jī▫o ṯis āgai ḏẖarai.
    that he dedicates his soul to the Lord, to whom it belongs.
    ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
    साहिब भावै सो परवाणु ॥
    Sāhib bẖāvai so parvāṇ.
    One who is pleasing to the Lord and Master is acceptable.
    ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਾਵੈ ਮਾਣੁ ॥੩॥
    सो सेवकु दरगह पावै माणु ॥३॥
    So sevak ḏargėh pāvai māṇ. ||3||
    Such a servant obtains honor in the Court of the Lord. ||3||
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਵਸਾਏ ॥
    सतिगुर की मूरति हिरदै वसाए ॥
    Saṯgur kī mūraṯ hirḏai vasā▫e.
    He enshrines the image of the True Guru in his heart.
    ਜੋ ਇਛੈ ਸੋਈ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਏ ॥
    जो इछै सोई फलु पाए ॥
    Jo icẖẖai so▫ī fal pā▫e.
    He obtains the rewards which he desires.
    ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੈ ॥
    साचा साहिबु किरपा करै ॥
    Sācẖā sāhib kirpā karai.
    The True Lord and Master grants His Grace;
    ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜਮ ਤੇ ਕੈਸਾ ਡਰੈ ॥੪॥
    सो सेवकु जम ते कैसा डरै ॥४॥
    So sevak jam ṯe kaisā darai. ||4||
    how can such a servant be afraid of death? ||4||
    ਭਨਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
    भनति नानकु करे वीचारु ॥
    Bẖanaṯ Nānak kare vīcẖār.
    Prays Nanak, practice contemplation,
    ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
    साची बाणी सिउ धरे पिआरु ॥
    Sācẖī baṇī si▫o ḏẖare pi▫ār.
    and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.
    ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਮੋਖ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
    ता को पावै मोख दुआरु ॥
    Ŧā ko pāvai mokẖ ḏu▫ār.
    Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.
    ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸਭੁ ਇਹੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੁ ॥੫॥੨॥੪॥
    जपु तपु सभु इहु सबदु है सारु ॥५॥२॥४॥
    Jap ṯap sabẖ ih sabaḏ hai sār. ||5||2||4||
    This Shabad is the most excellent of all chanting and austere meditations. ||5||2||4||
     
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    BHAGAT SINGH Ji,
    You can see that the actual word in the Sabadis PARATAMA not PARMATAMA.
    There is always confusion in understanding of this quote from SGGS.
    Here ATAMA-PAR ATAMA means own ATMA and Others ATAMA be known as one and Same.
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    Prakash ji,
    Parmatma is all atmas. The sum totality of them. Whereas Parmatma could include one's own atma, Paratma does not. The words are essentially the same. Hence a similar translation.

    Still you have not elaborated on the difference between Parmatma and Parmatam(u). And why this difference is significant.
     
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    If you ask me, it adresses it most to people who have no idea of religion in India and not necessarily Hindus. If you ask me, it was adressed more to the muslim kings than anyone, since they were the cause of the chaos.
     
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    The difference in the reference meanings of the words PARMATAMA and PARMATAMu is the same as between SUN and SUN RAY/RAYS.
    We can realise SUN is the Source for SUN RAYS .
    Can we understand SUN RAYS as SUN.?
    In aboce context the word PARMATAMA is equal to what the word GuRoo is in SGGS .
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    ਪੰਨਾ 421, ਸਤਰ 16
    ਜਿਨੀ ਆਤਮੁ ਚੀਨਿਆ ਪਰਮਾਤਮੁ ਸੋਈ ॥
    जिनी आतमु चीनिआ परमातमु सोई ॥
    Jinī āṯam cẖīni▫ā parmāṯam so▫ī.
    Those who understand their own souls, are themselves the Supreme Soul.
    ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

    What does this translate to then?
     
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    Bhagat Singh ji,
    The word ATAMu is the reference for your own soul and the form of the soul is a wave (invisible) so by realising your own soul as wave you realise the super wave being refered as PARMATAMu.
    The source of SUPER WAVE PARMATAMu is PARMATAMA.or the word GuRoo .
    This is what I understand thru Gurbanee.
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    Prakash ji,
    The aukad on the last letter, what does it do the word? I am a bit slow and it is not clear from your explanations above.
     
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    The Aukad on the last letter makes the word SINGULAR and any word without Aukad is PLURAL.This is standard Rule in Gurbanee grammar for Noun words.
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    I'm sorry for being rude or stating the obvious.
    But could some one just give me definitions in their own words of atma, parmatama, parmatamu, paramata or any other ( apologies for spelling)

    I would just like to be clear with referring and differentiating between the correct meanings

    Thank you
     
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    Par.......atma.........vs par........Matma............our eyes play tricks..becasue we are conditioned that way.....there are various Paragraphs of sheer nonsense letters jumbled up..and we cna still READ those very well becasue our Brains "see" whats not even there... so its easy to make such mistakes...

    Example: Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe......!!!!

     
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    GIYANi JARNAIL SINGH Ji,

    Does our GuRu tell the same as above.I shall be interested in confirmaton of this from within SGGS.

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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