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No one would state they are pure or purer...but usually i tend to listen to friends who have a good nature...they say things sometimes that strike you deep within...sometimes you just know you've heard the truth from them....or they do something infront of you (not for show-but just their natural character) and you know they did a good deed and it makes you want to be more like that...
You have a better view of people than me, maybe my life experience has made me cynical, I suppose I expect nothing from people, in fact I am suspicious of anyone with a good nature, I wonder what they are hiding. However, I try and deal with people as per Hukam. Give me animals and computers anyday lol. My problem, and my wife has it worse, is that we can feel anothers pain very acutely, my wife is fortunate that she can feel and share anothers happiness in just the same way, but I do not seem to feel this. Good deeds in itself is an oxy{censored}, you were correct in another post when you said that to do such should come naturally, I agree, then all deeds are good, and that becomes a way of life, However, I do mine out of a sense of responsability and duty to Creation, wife does so out of love.
people search inward because they want to explore who they are...and thats how gurbani tells us we can do this. We come into this world to experience opposites (duality)....hot/cold anger/love hate/compasion attachment/freedom, good/bad etc etc
A bigger part of this experience of oppisites is the experience of temporary and permanent .... both opposite experiences....and in-order for us to understand the ever-lasting (god/soul) we needed to experience the temporary.
The everlasting component within us is our Soul....why should we not want to understand and experience it? after-all it is our real self.
Yes, I do agree with this, it is important to know who you are, although I feel we come into this world to make a difference, rather than any personal development. I would like to think through serving Creation, we become a servant to Creation, and through this we know ourselves. I would imagine you use meditation for the same.I worry sometimes when I read your posts, I feel like tying a rope to your ankles so you do not drift too far away from real life and lose yourself in the living death. Living is very important, and when one has family and friends, one cannot afford to become too detatched from reality.
i think it's all part of the experience...in duality we have to taste falsehood to understand the truth...both have to exist and both experience raise our awareness and consciousness.
It is easy to dismiss this, but then, I have tasted more falsehood than many, and I do put my current state down to my past, so you may be correct,
acting in hukam naturally is i believe the true state...spontaneusly, without thought. Many people do this because they are told to do so, for a better spot in heaven...but there character may still be bad.
Gurbani can tell you to act a certain way...and you may practice it...but i feel when you uncover your soul, you start to do things intuitively, spontaneously, naturally...whatever you want to call it.
There is a comic book called Asterix and the Normans, it is about the Normans, they do not feel fear, they have no concept of fear, the comic argues that one cannot be truly brave until one has faced fear, not knowing fear does not qualify, as this not bravery, it is lack of fear. I feel anyone who does things for heaven is deluded, but I disagree that Hukam should be natural, if it were, what new is there to be learnt? I believe Hukam is a daily test, of your discipline, your morals, to make the right choices, I personally follow Hukam because I am tired of making the wrong decisions, bankruptcy, illness, prison, are all a great education, at some point you tire of the cost of your decisions, you give yourself up to a higher guide, its why I have no friends, my best friend is my Guru, he is kind of a hard act to follow. lol
Sometimes from inside youself in a certain situation you get this gut feeling, or a sense of wanting to do something and you just know it's the perfect thing to do or the right thing to do...it feels natural.
this to me is Hukam
othertimes, the mind takes over...thinks too much (as it works in time and space)...makes excuses, doubts, followed by fear, anxiety...and we make a decision which doesnt really feel right...and often causes problems in our lifes...stress etc.
and this is my dear wolf, when I was younger, the howling would not go away until I had satisfied it by making wrong decisions.
I believe The first example comes from the soul....the second from the mind...i know which example i would rather happen more often. As you enravel your soul, intuition increases (as in the first example)
I am uncomfortable with this splitting of myself, it starts to beg the question 'who am i?'
I believe there is me, there is Guru, and there are the thieves, who make up my wolf. I try and do Guruji's bidding, sometimes I have to prowl the night naked howling at the moon and tasting the sweet blood of a freshly killed rabbit. It is not a battle anymore, I wonder if as per your above para about Hukam being completely natural, whether that would involve the loss of my wolf. The essence of wolf is minimal these days.
love, compassion, forgiveness, helping, giving, sharing selflessly only happens with hukam....it's the soul's natural way...that is the true hukam and true will of God.
you should only give within your means. a person that gives £10 to charity is no less that a person that gives £1000 ... if it's given within your means, sent with love and for no ego-trip.
I hate being thanked, and I hate fuss, my problem is the pain I feel when I see others in pain. I find it hard to walk by, not because I am a good person, I just have an empathy with anyone in distress, I guess I know how it feels to be homeless, broke, cold, hungry, I know the desperation, and having been there, how can I walk by someone in the same situation. Its not about what you give, I think its about what you do, to my mind, I did not give someone a laptop, I spent 3 hours loading it up with software, that is the true value, and that is what I gave, 3 hours. Why did I do it? I believe Creator sent him my way, and I did it for Creator. I believe Creator sends a lot of people my way, and it is my duty to treat them well. Not to make Creator happy, or even for the person, but to remain in consonance with Creation. To put something back into the big swirly thing we call life, and know what? I meet Harry's everyday, I meet Harry when he was 11, when he was 17, 23, 29, 35, 40, I keep meeting him, and when I look into peoples eyes sometimes, I see Harry looking back at me, and knowing what Harry turns into, I try my best to help, to guide, to warn of the dangers of a free Wolf.
We have just bought 2 puppies, as we are just about able to stand on our own two feet again after 2 years, it was a big decision, it means we are unable now to ask for bail outs, in fact, I have even been looking at 2nd hand range rovers!
Many thanks for your reply, I enjoyed writing this
God bless you brother
