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What should be the AIM of life for a Sikh?

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    Kindly share your views on the above question. If possible we should try to keep compact answers with Bani as support for your answers.

    I will start:
    I think Aim of Sikh should be to find God and be one with it and From God I don't mean Mythical Gods/Goddesses like Brahma, Zeus, Vishnu etc. I mean real God, The ultimate truth, who is creator of all.
     
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    I happen to agree with you, how do you feel one should find God and be one with it?, if possible keep your answer compact, and please quote bani to support it.
     
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    this shabad is very long but please read carefully...it contains the answers to your question.
    http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3375


    The 'shabad' created everything...the shabad came from the source...the shabad created us.

    if we make some effort to seek it, by Guru's grace we may come to 'hear' it within our very being...for it has the power to guide us (soul) back to the source of everything.

    A little snippet of the shabad:
    O my ears, you were created only to hear the Truth.

    o hear the Truth, you were created and attached to the body; listen to the True Bani.

    Hearing it, the mind and body are rejuvenated, and the tongue is absorbed in Ambrosial Nectar.

    he True Lord is unseen and wondrous; His state cannot be described.

    Says Nanak, listen to the Ambrosial Naam and become holy; you were created only to hear the Truth.

    The Lord placed the soul to the cave of the body, and blew the breath of life into the musical instrument of the body.

    He blew the breath of life into the musical instrument of the body, and revealed the nine doors; but He kept the Tenth Door hidden.

    Through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, some are blessed with loving faith, and the Tenth Door is revealed to them.


     
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    The above in blue itself is good enough to start as a thread. I think we should do it and cross-link here. But I will give it some more time, in case somebody comes up with different Aim.
     
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    Thanks Chaz ji. Your reply was very enlightning. It would be great and best experience to hear shabad.

    Can somebody who has heard shabad explain the technique here? i Know we can find the technique in Guru Granth Sahib, thats why I have asked only to those who have heard themselves to help finding the technique. It will save us some time and we can actually spent that time to listen shabad.

    and thanks once again for the link.
     
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    people who thirst for money, they focus everything on trying to get money...

    you must thirst for this...it's not something you can do just with technique because a long the way your own mind will do whatever it can to prevent you from wasting your time in seeking waheguru, and if you don;t have the thirst, focus, love, sometimes deep sadness to want to experience Waheguru then your mind will easily get you back to your old ways.

    On the subject of technique of how you can get started, please visit mysimran.info - they have many videos in English giving you all the guidance you need on how to get started all with Gurbani explanations.
     
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    I consider myself a Sikh, I consider myself aiming for the life of a Sikh, so the phrase 'you must thirst for this' is incorrect as I do not thirst for it, yet I am still a Sikh.

    The question is what should be the aim of life of a Sikh, clearly simran is the aim of life for a Sikh, but just be aware there are some Sikhs that see honest and truthful living as higher than simran, and this requires no thirst, no hunger, no focus, no love, or even deep sadness, just a desire to conduct oneself in the correct way and be in consonance with ones surroundings,

    I have no problem with simran, but feel it should be supporting truthful living, rather than the be all and end all.
     
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    what you say is 100% correct apart from something being higher than Simran.

    Gurbani states Simran as Being the highest thing one can do
    http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?SourceID=G&pageno=263

    From this shabad it becomes quite clear that everything else is just a part of everything that manifests through Simran.
     
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    Harry Ji Sat Sri Akaal,

    Sikh = Learner, gursikh = One who learns from Guru.
    A learner should always have aim. Aim =objective i.e what we want to achieve from our learning.
    Same applies to ones who feel honest and truthful living above Simran.

    What do they want to achieve from Honest and truthful living?

    Answer might be same as Chaz ji said- To listen Shabad and merge in it.
    Honest and truthful living might help us to attain the aim, but cannot be as valuable as the simran. Simran I think is ladder to reach shabad and honest and truthful living are firm grounds on which ladder can stand. they all have their own importance and go side by side.

    ~like Seva(Service) also.

    Does it make sense.

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    Thanks Chaz ji for the link(http://mysimran.info/). I will go through it soon- It looks interesting :)
     
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    and I agree with Gurbani, however, there is some difference of opinion as to what Simran actually is, to some Simran is the connection to Creator and all Creation, to others it is chanting.
     
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    I will buy that

    true, but sometimes it is also wise to put into practice what has been learnt, before learning more.

    Honest and truthful living to me IS Simran

    oh goody, do describe please how you do it, and also enlighten me as to whether this is a permanent merging state, or does it come and go?


    ok, good, so we have lots of interesting words, simran, shabad, seva, all of which are open to ambiguity. How about a nice clean unambiguous statement, the aim of a Sikh should be to study the SGGS and then practice in everyday life what is written, until it becomes a habit, and then a natural state. At this point your facets mirror facets of Creator, and that's its. (this is only my opinion)
     
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    Harry Ji I agree with you. This is what gurbani guides us, 'ਸੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਿਤੁ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਮਹਿ ਏਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਜਾਗੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ - This mael is ego, thus tune your mind with divine trait to stay awake and aware in order to live a meaningful life. This life is very short, don't waste in visiting pilgrimage, fasting, ginti minti etc as all these add ego. One cannot put a price tag. Even everyone start chanting His name, 'ਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਕੈ ਆਖਣ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਘਾਟਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥੨॥ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.9.18. The purpose of His praise or sifat salah is to emulate His virtues as without emulating the His virtues, 'ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਕਛੁ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.1124.9 one cannot qualify to enter nijhghar and make inner journey to listen the divine message. The purpose of our life is to listen inner divine message, live and relish. This is called merging. This is called oneness. In the absence of divine trait, the type of God one visualize in his mind, his thought process is shaped accordingly. That is why the world is full of egoist, cruel, demons, and with taunting habits whereas 'avgun n chitrai is divine trait.
     
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    First is -Naam Japo....which of course is Simran
    second- Kirat karo.... is honest, truthful living (1/3 of the pillars!)
    Third- Vand shako.....sharing with others

    From what I have learned over the past few years and with my fullest intents and efforts...is that....naam jap, simran is a must.
    Once can do as much Kirat and Vand shak.... but it won't raise their consciousness as the efforts of simran will.

    Only by dhyianee(meditating) on waheguru, can you elevate your conscious.
    Like you say, simran is the way that one has to start to reach the shabad..... The shabad is the creator, sustainer and destroyer as well as all the wisdom you need.
    :happymunda:
     
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    Though I have great respect for Sh.Narinder Modi for his endeavor to bring economic recovery. But when I see Prime Minister of India performing Ganga aarti at Assi Ghat today, I am wondering how could it please Ganga. What is the wisdom and logic behind it.
     
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    you forgot to mention the beads, the beads are very important!
     
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    If the aim of Sikh is to find then why is he not called finder ,we must learn how to aim.
     
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    have never tried beads...enlighten me...
     
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    me? enlighten you? ok, they say the AUDI Q5 is the one to have, looks nice in black!
     
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    i think Guru Ji is asking us to be his disciple...
    the population is entangled in creation...and Guru Ji is telling us the creation is not the complete truth...and if we're willing, Guru Ji will show us ALL that there is...the complete truth :)
     
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    Veera

    I appreciate your sentiment but I don't think our Guru 'needs' disciples, anymore than the sun requires us to sunbathe.
     
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