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What Is The Reason For Covering One's Head In Gurdwara?

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Thank you for your editorial advice and opinion. The guidelines we follow -- if a thread is going downhill it is a candidate to be closed. You had 2 and 1/2 pages to bring your own comments back to the original point.
 

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The same reason, ----the useless rituals, and stupid traditions. Infact hindus are way ahead than sikhs, when it comes to illogical traditional values.

Good so Hindu's ,sikhs ,and all other religions are in illogical traditional values.Please enlighten us what is logical.because for many many people spirituality itself is illogical and material world itself is the truth.

They are not into their religion, they are into fanatacism. Do you really feel that killing people in the name of the religion, is something spiritual?
Infact the brains of the islamic kids are deeply conditioned, to believe their illogical trash. It has nothing to do with spirituality or logic. Their brains are tricked when they are small, to believe in their traditions. Same goes with other religions, but to some less extent. But parents mold the brains of their kids, which is ugly.

No where I said that killing people is spiritual neither majority of muslims do.And yes they do practice fanaticism but apart from it they also read their Namaz regularly which is the
spirituality in their religion.But according to you illogical traditions is the main cause that youths are going away from religion then why hindu youths hardly know geeta ,sikh youths hardly read gurbani but still muslim youths regularly read namaz?
 

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What Does 'Strong Character' Mean?


Respect for others according to the individual’s wisdom (ਬੁਧੀ);

Respect for others is based on self-respect and is summed up: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. It is the value that makes the world a more decent, humble, and civilized place. Humility perceives one’s place in the world, not according to one’s own accomplishments but according to the intrinsic value of all individuals. Humility is an essential attitude for success in spiritual life.

ਸਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਰੂਪੁ॥

Saram Khand Kee BaaNee Roop.

In the realm of humility, the Word is beauty. -----Guru Nanak, Japji, AGGS, Page, 8-1

It is one of the foundation stone of Sikhism.

ਮਿਲਿਆ ਮਾਣੁ ਨਿਮਾਣਿਐ ਪਿਰਮ ਪਿਆਲਾ ਪੀਇ ਪਤੀਣੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖ ਫਲੁ ਹੈ ਮਸਕੀਣੀ॥

Milia MaaN NimaNia Piram Piala Pee-a Pateenee, Gurmukh Sukh Fal Hai MaskeeNee.

Only the humble get adorned with glory quaffing the cup of the love of God gets satiated. The saintly person perceive happiness only while practicing humility.-----Bhai Gurdas, Vaar 4, Pauri, 2

People show respect in many ways. They speak and act civilly—avoiding insults, cruel remarks and rude or crude language. They are courteous and considerate of others, including family members and friends, and care about their rights, beliefs and well-being. They treat others fairly as individuals, regardless of race, sex, age or ethnic group. They display tolerance for people who do not share their personal beliefs and likes—so long as those people do not harm others.

ਮਿਠਤ ਨੀਵੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਗੁਣ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਤਤੁ॥ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਨਿਵੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਪਰ ਕਉ ਨਿਵੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Mithat Neevee Nanaka GouN Changiaa-eeaa Tatt, Sabh ko Nivai Aap Ka-o Par Ka-o Nivai Na Ko-ay.

Sweetness and humility, O Nanak, are the essence of virtue and goodness, but arrogance and ego makes everyone bows down to himself; no one bows down to another.-----Guru Nanak, Asa Di Var, AGGS, Page, 470-14

>Fullness of knowledge always and necessarily means some understanding of our ignorance that is always conducive to both humility and reverence.
>Plenty of people wish to become devout but no one wishes to be humble.

ਬੁਧ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਖਰਚੁ ਲੈਹ ਹਉਮੈ ਬਿਖ ਜਾਰਹੁ॥ ਸਾਚਾ ਹਟੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਉਦਾ ਵਖਰੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਾਪਾਰਹੁ ॥

Budh Gareebee Kharch Lai-oh Haumai Bikh Jaaroh, Saachaa Hat Pooraa Sa-udaa Vakhar Naam Vaapaarahu.

Take wisdom and humility as your supplies, and burn away the poison of pride. True is that shop, and perfect the transaction; deal only in the merchandise of the Naam, the Name of the Lord. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 399-9

Research indicates that persons learn to respect others when they are treated with respect themselves. Criticism of a person, negative comments about him/her and failure to praise his/her achievements can lead the individual to be disrespectful to others. Treating others with respect pays large dividends both sides and to societies as a whole. Humility in showing respect, and for honoring elders goes a great way in the formation of character, which itself is a pre-requisite to growth in spirituality.

Self-respect means taking satisfaction in appropriate behavior and hard—won accomplishments. People with self-respect also respect others. They do not need to disparage others or build themselves up by bragging or exaggerating their abilities or talents.

People who respect others have inner strength and are unwilling to let others use or manipulate them. They know that showing patience or tolerance does not mean allowing others to mistreat them. One should treat colleagues and others with whom we interact with respect, dignity, fairness and courtesy.

The way we treat others shows how we value them as people and as brothers and sisters. The need for respect is readily apparent when we look at the effect our actions have on behavior by posing the question, "What if everyone in society did this?"

Conclusion;

Be beautiful if you can, Wise if you want to... But be respectful-that is essential. Individuals are respectable only as they respect. Reputation is what the world thinks a individual is; character is what he/she really is. Respect a person, and he/she will do all the more.

ਗਰੀਬੀ ਗਦਾ ਹਮਾਰੀ॥ ਖੰਨਾ ਸਗਲ ਰੇਨ ਛਾਰੀ॥ ਇਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਕੋ ਨ ਟਿਕੈ ਵੇਕਾਰੀ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਏਹ ਗਲ ਸਾਰੀ॥

Gareebee Gadda Hamaree, Khanna Sagal Rayn Chaari, Iss Aagai Ko Na Tikai Vaykaaree,
Gur Pooray Ayh Gal Saaree.

Humility is my mace, and being the dust of the dust of all men’s feet is my two edged sword. These no evildoer can withstand. The perfect Guru has arranged this matter.-----Guru Arjan, Raag Sorath, AGGS, Page, 628-13

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Dear All,

Q. Can God/Guru be disrespected by any one or by not covering the head?

A. No- Bot God is omnipresent in the Higher Self of the individual veiled by lower self, which is Haoumai. Removal it with humility one can have a vision of It.

Guru Nanak in Raag Asa and Kabir in Raag Gauri answer;

ਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਕੈ ਆਖਣ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਘਾਟਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

Je sabẖ mil kai ākẖaṇ pāhi. vadā na hovai gẖāt na jā▫e.

Even if they all meet together and recount the Naam, Akal Purkh or Guru would not be made any greater or lesser. -----Guru Nanak, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 9,-18 & 349-9

ਨਾ ਓਹੁ ਬਢੈ ਨ ਘਟਤਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਅਕੁਲ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਏਕੈ ਭਾਇ ॥

Nā oh badẖai na gẖatṯā jā¬ė, Akul niranjan ėkai bẖā¬ė.

God does not increase or decrease, and is unknowable and immaculate; It does not change. -----Kabir, Raag Gauri Thiti, AGGS, Page, 343

The only way one can disrespect God/Guru is by not following the instruction inscribed in to become a better human (Gurmukh) and carry on the life as spiritually ignorant.

ਗਿਆਨ ਹੀਣੰ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਪੂਜਾ॥ ਔਧ ਵਰਤਾਵਾ ਭਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥

Gi¬ān hīṇaʼn agi¬ān pūjā. Anḏẖ varṯāvā bẖā¬o ḏūjā.

With out spiritual wisdom, the people worship ignorance. They grope in the darkness, in the love of duality. -----Guru Nanak, Sloke Vaaran To Vadheek, AGGS, Page, 1412-4

On The other hand respecting others feelings are a sign of character, which is a perquisite to progress in spirituality;

Respect for others is based on self-respect and is summed up: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. It is the value that makes the world a more decent, humble, and civilized place. Humility perceives one’s place in the world, not according to one’s own accomplishments but according to the intrinsic value of all individuals. Humility is an essential attitude for success in spiritual life.

ਸਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਰੂਪੁ॥

Saram Khand Kee BaaNee Roop.

In the realm of humility, the Word is beauty. -----Guru Nanak, Japji, AGGS, Page, 8-1

It is one of the foundation stone of Sikhism.

ਮਿਲਿਆ ਮਾਣੁ ਨਿਮਾਣਿਐ ਪਿਰਮ ਪਿਆਲਾ ਪੀਇ ਪਤੀਣੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖ ਫਲੁ ਹੈ ਮਸਕੀਣੀ॥

Milia MaaN NimaNia Piram Piala Pee-a Pateenee, Gurmukh Sukh Fal Hai MaskeeNee.

Only the humble get adorned with glory quaffing the cup of the love of God gets satiated. The saintly person perceive happiness only while practicing humility-----Bhai Gurdas, Vaar 4, Pauri, 2

People show respect in many ways. They speak and act civilly—avoiding insults, cruel remarks and rude or crude language. They are courteous and considerate of others, including family members and friends, and care about their rights, beliefs and well-being. They treat others fairly as individuals, regardless of race, sex, age or ethnic group. They display tolerance for people who do not share their personal beliefs and likes—so long as those people do not harm others.

ਮਿਠਤ ਨੀਵੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਗੁਣ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਤਤੁ॥ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਨਿਵੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਪਰ ਕਉ ਨਿਵੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Mithat Neevee Nanaka GouN Changiaa-eeaa Tatt, Sabh ko Nivai Aap Ka-o Par Ka-o Nivai Na Ko-ay.

Sweetness and humility, O Nanak, are the essence of virtue and goodness, but arrogance and ego makes everyone bows down to himself; no one bows down to another.-----Guru Nanak, Asa Di Var, AGGS, Page, 470-14

>Fullness of knowledge always and necessarily means some understanding of our ignorance that is always conducive to both humility and reverence.

>Plenty of people wish to become devout but no one wishes to be humble.

ਬੁਧ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਖਰਚੁ ਲੈਹ ਹਉਮੈ ਬਿਖ ਜਾਰਹੁ॥ ਸਾਚਾ ਹਟੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਉਦਾ ਵਖਰੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਾਪਾਰਹੁ ॥

Budh Gareebee Kharch Lai-oh Haumai Bikh Jaaroh, Saachaa Hat Pooraa Sa-udaa Vakhar Naam Vaapaarahu.

Take wisdom and humility as your supplies, and burn away the poison of pride. True is that shop, and perfect the transaction; deal only in the merchandise of the Naam, the Name of the Akal Purkh. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 399-9

Research indicates that persons learn to respect others when they are treated with respect themselves. Criticism of a person, negative comments about him/her and failure to praise his/her achievements can lead the individual to be disrespectful to others. Treating others with respect pays large dividends both sides and to societies as a whole.

Humility in showing respect, and for honoring elders goes a great way in the formation of character, which itself is a pre-requisite to growth in spirituality.

Self-respect means taking satisfaction in appropriate behavior and hard—won accomplishments. People with self-respect also respect others. They do not need to disparage others or build themselves up by bragging or exaggerating their abilities or talents.

People who respect others have inner strength and are unwilling to let others use or manipulate them. They know that showing patience or tolerance does not mean allowing others to mistreat them. One should treat colleagues and others with whom we interact with respect, dignity, fairness and courtesy.

The way we treat others shows how we value them as people and as brothers and sisters. The need for respect is readily apparent when we look at the effect our actions have on behavior by posing the question, "What if everyone in society did this?"

Conclusion;

Be beautiful if you can, Wise if you want to... But be respectful-that is essential. Individuals are respectable only as they respect. Reputation is what the world thinks a individual is; character is what he/she really is. Respect a person, and he/she will do all the more.

ਗਰੀਬੀ ਗਦਾ ਹਮਾਰੀ॥ ਖੰਨਾ ਸਗਲ ਰੇਨ ਛਾਰੀ॥ ਇਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਕੋ ਨ ਟਿਕੈ ਵੇਕਾਰੀ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਏਹ ਗਲ ਸਾਰੀ॥

Gareebee Gadda Hamaree, Khanna Sagal Rayn Chaari, Iss Aagai Ko Na Tikai Vaykaaree,
Gur Pooray Ayh Gal Saaree.

Humility is my mace, and being the dust of the dust of all men’s feet is my two edged sword. These no evildoer can withstand. The perfect Guru has arranged this matter.-----Guru Arjan, Raag Sorath, AGGS, Page, 628-13

Respectfully submitted.

Virinder S. Grewal
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Please enlighten us what is logical

Read gurbani, and you will know what is logical.


And yes they do practice fanaticism but apart from it they also read their Namaz regularly which is the spirituality in their religion.
It may be spiritual in "their religion", but they are infact fanatics. And fanatcism and spiritualism are two extremes, you can either be a fanatic person or you can be a spiritual person. Both are two diametrically opposite phenomenons.

Aurangzeb read namaz every day regularly, you wont find a more so called religious person than him, but he was a fanatic.
On the other hand Sai Mia Mir was spiritual person. Infact he was a living spirituality.

But according to you illogical traditions is the main cause that youths are going away from religion then why hindu youths hardly know geeta ,sikh youths hardly read gurbani but still muslim youths regularly read namaz?
Again muslims are not religious, if they are reading the quran regularly. Reading a quran or any other scripture regularly does not make you religious or spiritual.
Infact muslims are far away from religion. They are only good at one thing, they brain wash their kids really well, and mold them according to their traditions, but that does not makes them religious. So again ,muslim youth are away from the actual religion because of their foolish traditions. They may be performing their everyday rituals well, but dont confuse that with spirituality.
 

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Why would a person who doesnt believe in the SGGS as "GURU" be doing in a Gurdwara ? anyway.
IF he/she is just a "visitor"....then follow the time old adage..When in ROME..do as the Romans do.
Its up to SIKHS who believe in the SGGS as GURU..worthy of RESPECT... to Leave their shoes outside....to cover their heads... do matha tek....be properly seated in sangat...to listen to katha/kirtan in silence....until and unless we decide..otherwise....its wise to follow the rule...whether "useless" or not is not up to "visitors".
No one may enter a Gurdwara Darbaar..with shoes ON...headcover.. OFF..remain standing/loafing about in sangat....etc etc etc...Gurdwara PROTOCOL is established for a reason.period.Only the SANGAT can change it.:happy::welcome:

I firmly believe that covering head taking shoes off has evolved through practicality.

People would come into the Gurudwara from the fields, probably sweating and dirty, so to keep you hair covered and out of the way would probably be practical. It would also soak up sweat and stop it from dripping.

As for shoes, again to do with hygiene, hence why people are encouraged to wash their feet.

I think nowadays this process before going into a Gurdwara encourages uniformity. Doesn't matter if you are wearing £1000 shoes, or have a £50 haircut. Your purpose in the Gurudwara is not to show off but be one with everyone else and do as they do.
 

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Sometime their are no scientific reasons for a beliver's act. Gurudwara is a scarced place where we are going to attend to things in the Holy presence of Guru sahib. Remember, since the olden periods whenever one has to attend to the King or the nobles, they were supossed to cover their head as mark of respect to them . For us, Guru sahib is supreme and hence the act.

I will like to recomend a good book regarding this. It's name is 'Kesh or Keski' by AKJ. Author had given enough good reasons for this act of us.

Guru fateh.
 

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the reason for covering ones hair in the first place would have been to stop the spread of head lice, Long hair mixed with large groups equals epidemic. Seems pretty Logical to cover ones hair for a Sikh as there is a lot of emphasis on hygiene. I haven't been a Sikh for very long so I wasn't conditioned, my mind wasn't moulded as a child, I bow my head in front of any person I meet so I have no problem with bowing in front of the Living Sikh Guru ji the SGGS, the materials might not be a live but the message is. btw Groups are made up of like minded individuals, It is this like mindedness that allows us to call people our friends, without it we would all be enemies of each other. You say you like individuals then you must also agree that individuals have the right to do as they please, in which case please respect the rights of each and every individual Sikh to cover their heads and bow to what they believe in, No body is forcing any one to cover their heads or grabbing them by the neck to bow down its a personal choice we make out of respect for what we believe in. I have not met one Sikh who has been forced to follow Sikhism, and not one who believes bowing and covering their heads will make them more spiritual, only more humble
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I firmly believe that covering head taking shoes off has evolved through practicality.

People would come into the Gurudwara from the fields, probably sweating and dirty, so to keep you hair covered and out of the way would probably be practical. It would also soak up sweat and stop it from dripping.

As for shoes, again to do with hygiene, hence why people are encouraged to wash their feet.

I think nowadays this process before going into a Gurdwara encourages uniformity. Doesn't matter if you are wearing £1000 shoes, or have a £50 haircut. Your purpose in the Gurudwara is not to show off but be one with everyone else and do as they do.

Could be...or not ??
anyway Sikhism is a practical way of life....so everything has to be practical.
Christians go to Church on Sunday..and they dress in their very best suits..and they REMOVE their hats in church. as a mark of RESPECT.....thats their way...while Eastern people COVER their heads as a mark of respect. Westerners have never removed shoes..not in the house..not in the church...Easterners always remove their shoes...in the home..in the temple/mosque/gurdwara..even Gurdwara langgar halls ..and now a days in Malaysia..even in some Govt Offices/many semi-govt offices etc shoes are left at the door !!

SWEAT...in the Punjab rural areas..India as wella s Pakistan..a Parna is usually carried by everyone..wrapped on the ehad..used as Master Wipe All...even those whose hair is short wrap the parna on the head....the rest of the body also sweats...so rather incorrect to single out the "head/long hair only....wouldnt the arm pits smell ?/ so whats the solution ?? anyway its not that people stream to the Gurdawra straight from the field..all sweaty and wet ?? Why ?/ whats the hurry ? cant they go home for a wash ?? I think they do go home and wash..and then come to Gurdawra...naturally.
Gurdawars have SAROVARS...facilities to wash the feet automatically at the entrances....and Muslims also wash at the mosques..its Eastern way....Malaysian Gurdawras have NO Sarovars and NO feet washers..just normal bath/toilets..because alsmost everyone comes from home bathed and shampooed and arrives in private transport...no sweat..no dirt..nothing. So no sarovars/no feet washers..needed...so none provided..we have evolved accordingly...natural behaviour.

Its just custom...and customs develop naturally..nothing more nothing less..social behaviour..social norms...what is good for the goose may not be good for the gander...
 

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Still some Sikhs do not go kompletely barefoot in gurdwara and they wear sox. That is some testimony to how flexible and willing to adapt or avoid small irritations -- keeping the eye on the important things.
 

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I think it is absolutely uselss.
I mean what is wrong with uncovered head.
I dont think this should be a big issue.

What do you guys have to say about this?

Let us try to answer the following question:

What can one learn,interact or teach with the above statement and fromthe title of the thread?

If the starter of this thread had come with his research about other religions like Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Islam, parts of Hinduism and Sikhism and why all the above religions cover their heads and if he had given the reasons by researching each and every religion then we could have had a great discussion where all could have learnt something.

The fact is that is not the intention of the forum member, Sadhu. We have seen it from his other threads.

It is sad to notice that some people come here not to learn but to provoke, belittle,insult. As Sikhs are the students who seek the truth where as people like Sadhu are the hooligans of spirituality who want nothing to do with truth but to a pick a fight with anyone who is seeking internal solace.

He is not here to learn or to share how to breed awareness, realisation, understanding which breeds in acceptance but he is here to show how angry and empty he is within, which is sad. If his agenda had been to learn and teach then the objective and the goal of this wonderful forum had been fulfilled but unfortunately all his threads and posts proved to the contrary.

The proof as mentioned before is that he has admitted himself in his posts that he is dishonest, a liar. He loves to contradicts. He claims to hate groups in one post and in othr he admits of being part of one. He fails to undretsand that he was conceived via grouping and groping, no pun intended.:)

So here is a suggestions to the respected Moderartors and the Forum leaders.

If the thread is meaningless like this one, it should be removed immediately. One can how much time, bandwidith is wasted. I understand and do appreciate the openmindedness of this lovely forum but openmindedness means to have a forum where shut inner windows can be opened with the help of sadh sangat that visits this forum.

People who come to break the window panes should be given a chance or two which member Sadhu has been, rather he has been given multiple chances and if they still carry the sledge hammer to shatter someone's spiritual doorway then something has to be done because it does not only shatter one doorway but the whole harmony and the goal of SIKHI which is to find,breed love and goodness within so it can be shared with all, either claim to be inviduals, in groups and irrespective of their gender,hue,creed and faith.

I would leave what actions should be taken so that the concept of Sikhi as indicated by the 4 open doors of Harmander Sahib's remains intact, to the moderators and the forum leaders.

Tejwant Singh
 

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Sometime their are no scientific reasons for a beliver's act. Gurudwara is a scarced place where we are going to attend to things in the Holy presence of Guru sahib. Remember, since the olden periods whenever one has to attend to the King or the nobles, they were supossed to cover their head as mark of respect to them . For us, Guru sahib is supreme and hence the act.

I will like to recomend a good book regarding this. It's name is 'Kesh or Keski' by AKJ. Author had given enough good reasons for this act of us.

Guru fateh.

Although I agree with your comments, I am VERY sceptical of anything the AKJ writes. They say that Keski is one of the 5 Kakkars.
 
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