What Is Bhai Gurdas Jee's Key?

[simpy]

Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan De Paavan Bachan Ne:


mo kau kIjY dwsu dws dwsn ko hir dieAw Dwir jgMnwQw ]3]
mo ka-o keejai daas daas daasan ko har da-i-aa Dhaar jagannaathaa. ||3||
Make me the slave of the slave of the slaves of the Lord; bless me with Your Mercy, O Lord of the Universe. ||3||

so one must not be making fun of or denouncing God lovers. And as far as history tells everybody, Bhai Gurdas Ji is a God Lover............. at least me neech doesn't have any doubts about it............

and me neech believe in LIVING GURBANI.....................................

breathing/eating/sleeping/talking/// GURBANI

Gurbani Baneeay........................ is my motto



humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

 

[simpy]

siqgur bcn qum@wry ]
satgur bachan tumHaaray.
O True Guru, by Your Words,
inrgux insqwry ]1] rhwau ]
nirgun nistaaray. ||1|| rahaa-o.
even the worthless have been saved. ||1||Pause||
mhw ibKwdI dust ApvwdI qy punIq sMgwry ]1]
mahaa bikhaadee dusat apvaadee tay puneet sangaaray. ||1||
Even the most argumentative, vicious and indecent people, have been purified in Your company. ||1||
jnm BvMqy nrik pVMqy iqn@ ky kul auDwry ]2]
janam bhavantay narak parhantay tinH kay kul uDhaaray. ||2||
Those who have wandered in reincarnation, and those who have been consigned to hell - even their families have been redeemed. ||2||
koie n jwnY koie n mwnY sy prgtu hir duAwry ]3]
ko-ay na jaanai ko-ay na maanai say pargat har du-aaray. ||3||
Those whom no one knew, and those whom no one respected - even they have become famous and respected at the Court of the Lord. ||3||
kvn aupmw dyau kvn vfweI nwnk iKnu iKnu vwry ]4]1]141]
kavan upmaa day-o kavan vadaa-ee naanak khin khin vaaray. ||4||1||141||
What praise, and what greatness should I attribute to You? Nanak is a sacrifice to You, each and every moment. ||4||1||141||

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Those, who have no experience on matter they talk, start singing soon borrowed songs.

Thanks for the referred Vaaks from Gurdev. I feel fine that He spoke Vaaks full of truth specially with you. I hope you have understood those.

Please say something about Bhai Gurdas Jee and his key. I have found many keys in his bunch that do not fit to open Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.


Balbir Singh

 

[spnadmin]

Balbir ji,

Let's Pray For Truth!

It is Sri Akaal's kirpa that some of these threads do not become a pie-throwing contest. In taking your question seriously, Surinder ji and a few others are sharing the words of the Guru as part of the discussion. This is almost a warning -- because you always manage to stop short of breaking forum rules. Why do you use derogatory terms like Those, who have no experience on matter they talk, start singing soon borrowed songs? It is throughout everything you have written. Why not engage in debate instead of rebuke?

 

[Archived_Member_19]

i have question

if someone gets the key...assuming if it exists... what can he/she do with it

can they duplicate the key?

 

[spnadmin]

amarsanghera ji

I should log off and pay attention to housework. But this is more interesting. Only a few people have found the key -- and could duplicate it.

ਪਹਿਲਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਪਾਯਾ ਬਖਸੁ ਦਰਿ ਪਿਛੋਦੇ ਫਿਰਿ ਘਾਲਿ ਕਮਾਈ ।
pahilaa baabay paayaa bakhasu dari pichhoday dhiri ghaali kamaaee|
First of all Baba Nanak obtained the gate of the grace (of Lord) and then He underwent and earned the rigorous discipline( of heart and mind).

ਰੇਤੁ ਅੱਕੁ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਰੋੜਾ ਕੀ ਗੁਰ ਕੀਅ ਵਿਛਾਈ ।
raytu aku aahaaru kari rorhaa kee gur keea vichhaaee|
He fed himself with sand and swallow-wort and made stones his bedding i.e. he enjoyed poverty too.

ਭਾਰੀ ਕਰੀ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਵਡੇ ਭਾਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਬਣਿ ਆਈ ।
bhaaree karee tapasiaa vaday bhaagi hari siu bani aaee|
He offered hid full devotion and then he was fortunate to have proximity with God.

ਬਾਬਾ ਪੈਧਾ ਸਚਿ ਖੰਡਿ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਪਾਈ ।
baabaa paidhaa sachi khandi nau nidhi naamu gareebee paaee|
Baba reached the region of truth wherefrom he received Nam, the storehouse of nine treasures and humility.

ਬਾਬਾ ਦੇਖੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧਰਿ ਜਲਤੀ ਸਭਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਵੀ ਦਿਸਿ ਆਈ ।
baabaa daykhai dhiaanu dhari jalatee sabhi pridavee disi aaee|
In his meditation, Baba found the whole earth burning (with the fire of lust and anger).

ਬਾਝੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਕਰਦੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਲੁਕਾਈ ।
baajhu guroo gubaaru hai hai hai karadee sunee|ukaaee|
Without Guru there is utter darkness and he heard the cries of the common men.

ਬਾਬੇ ਭੇਖ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਉਦਾਸੀ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਚਲਾਈ ।
baabay bhaykh banaaiaa udaasee kee reeti chalaaee|
To further understand the people, Guru Nanak donned robes in their manner and preached them to be detached (from the pleasure and pain).

ਚੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਸੋਧਣਿ ਧਰਤਿ ਲੁਕਾਈ ॥੨੪॥
charhhiaa sodhani dharati|ukaaee ॥24॥
Thus he went out to depurate humanity on earth.

Bhai Gurdas - Vaar 1 - Pauree 24

Thanks for the questions this afternoon. I learned a lot.
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[Archived_Member_19]

good luck

even i am hungry...better fix some lunch

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Aad0002 Jee!

Quote "Balbir ji, Let's Pray For Truth!"
Those who wish that God hear their prayers, they should better not participate on this forum with different names, styles and chamchaa-giree. Those announce their true name, place and description of their profile. Also, they keep one identity. The true Guru recognizes such persons too.

Bhai Gurdas Jee recognizes others as Gurmukh Bhaysiaa.
ਨਿਤ ਨਿਤ ਨਵਲ ਨਵੇਲ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭੇਸਿਆ ।
nit nit naval navayl guramukhi bhaysiaa|

Quote "Why do you use derogatory terms like Those, who have no experience on matter they talk, start singing soon borrowed songs?"
This is truthful reaction to relax. One can ask a professor of psychology. I had a seminar with learned people lately on this topic.

Quote "Why not engage in debate instead of rebuke?"
Please say something about the key from Bhai Gurdas Jee and their promoters.

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Quote from Amarsanghera Jee "if someone gets the key...assuming if it exists... what can he/she do with it."
The spiritual hungry person needs spiritual food, the True Naam Simran. He does not need a key or its duplicate.


Balbir Singh

 

[Archived_Member_19]

what is "false" naam simran?

 

[simpy]

false naam simran is pakhand- mann hor mukh hor....

 

[simpy]

another definition of false naam Simran: he he


muh me raam raam bagal me chchooree

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Amarsanghera Jee!

Quote "what is "false" naam simran?"
False Simran is japping any word with a technique also received through the way the true Gurus have never suggested.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

isrIrwgu mhlw 5 ] (47-7)
sireeraag mehlaa 5.
Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl:
mnu qnu Dnu ijin pRiB dIAw riKAw shij svwir ] (47-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
man tan Dhan jin parabh dee-aa rakhi-aa sahj savaar.
This mind, body and wealth were given by God, who naturally adorns us.
srb klw kir QwipAw AMqir joiq Apwr ] (47-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
sarab kalaa kar thaapi-aa antar jot apaar.
He has blessed us with all our energy, and infused His Infinite Light deep within us.
sdw sdw pRBu ismrIAY AMqir rKu aur Dwir ]1] (47-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
sadaa sadaa parabh simree-ai antar rakh ur Dhaar. ||1||
Forever and ever, meditate in remembrance on God; keep Him enshrined in your heart. ||1||
myry mn hir ibnu Avru n koie ] (47-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
mayray man har bin avar na ko-ay.
O my mind, without the Lord, there is no other at all.
pRB srxweI sdw rhu dUKu n ivAwpY koie ]1] rhwau ] (47-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
parabh sarnaa-ee sadaa rahu dookh na vi-aapai ko-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Remain in God's Sanctuary forever, and no suffering shall afflict you. ||1||Pause||
rqn pdwrQ mwxkw suienw rupw Kwku ] (47-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
ratan padaarath maankaa su-inaa rupaa khaak.
Jewels, treasures, pearls, gold and silver-all these are just dust.
mwq ipqw suq bMDpw kUVy sBy swk ] (47-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
maat pitaa sut banDhpaa koorhay sabhay saak.
Mother, father, children and relatives-all relations are false.
ijin kIqw iqsih n jwxeI mnmuK psu nwpwk ]2] (47-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
jin keetaa tiseh na jaan-ee manmukh pas naapaak. ||2||
The self-willed manmukh is an insulting beast; he does not acknowledge the One who created him. ||2||
AMqir bwhir riv rihAw iqs no jwxY dUir ] (47-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
antar baahar rav rahi-aa tis no jaanai door.
The Lord is pervading within and beyond, and yet people think that He is far away.
iqRsnw lwgI ric rihAw AMqir haumY kUir ] (47-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
tarisnaa laagee rach rahi-aa antar ha-umai koor.
They are engrossed in clinging desires; within their hearts there is ego and falsehood.
BgqI nwm ivhUixAw Awvih vM\ih pUr ]3] (47-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
bhagtee naam vihooni-aa aavahi vanjahi poor. ||3||
Without devotion to the Naam, crowds of people come and go. ||3||
rwiK lyhu pRBu krxhwr jIA jMq kir dieAw ] (47-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
raakh layho parabh karanhaar jee-a jant kar da-i-aa.
Please preserve Your beings and creatures, God; O Creator Lord, please be merciful!
ibnu pRB koie n rKnhwru mhw ibkt jm BieAw ] (47-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
bin parabh ko-ay na rakhanhaar mahaa bikat jam bha-i-aa.
Without God, there is no saving grace. The Messenger of Death is cruel and unfeeling.
nwnk nwmu n vIsrau kir ApunI hir mieAw ]4]14]84] (47-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
naanak naam na veesra-o kar apunee har ma-i-aa. ||4||14||84||
O Nanak, may I never forget the Naam! Please bless me with Your Mercy, Lord! ||4||14||84||

 

[simpy]

qyry bcn AnUp Apwr sMqn AwDwr bwxI bIcwrIAY jIau ] (80-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
tayray bachan anoop apaar santan aaDhaar banee beechaaree-ai jee-o.
Your Word is Incomparable and Infinite. I contemplate the Word of Your Bani, the Support of the Saints.
ismrq sws igrws pUrn ibsuAws ikau mnhu ibswrIAY jIau ] (80-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
simrat saas giraas pooran bisu-aas ki-o manhu bisaaree-ai jee-o.
I remember Him in meditation with every breath and morsel of food, with perfect faith. How could I forget Him from my mind?
ikau mnhu byswrIAY inmK nhI twrIAY guxvMq pRwn hmwry ] (80-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
ki-o manhu baysaaree-ai nimakh nahee taaree-ai gunvant paraan hamaaray.
How could I forget Him from my mind, even for an instant? He is the Most Worthy; He is my very life!
mn bWCq Pl dyq hY suAwmI jIA kI ibrQw swry ] (80-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
man baaNchhat fal dayt hai su-aamee jee-a kee birthaa saaray.
My Lord and Master is the Giver of the fruits of the mind's desires. He knows all the useless vanities and pains of the soul.
AnwQ ky nwQy sRb kY swQy jip jUAY jnmu n hwrIAY ] (80-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
anaath kay naathay sarab kai saathay jap joo-ai janam na haaree-ai.
Meditating on the Patron of lost souls, the Companion of all, your life shall not be lost in the gamble.
nwnk kI bynµqI pRB pih ik®pw kir Bvjlu qwrIAY ]2] (80-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
naanak kee baynantee parabh peh kirpaa kar bhavjal taaree-ai. ||2||
Nanak offers this prayer to God: Please shower me with Your Mercy, and carry me across the terrifying world-ocean. ||2||

 

[Archived_Member_19]

<<Quote "what is "false" naam simran?"
False Simran is japping any word with a technique also received through the way the true Gurus have never suggested.>>>


like???

and what are the "techniques" "recommended" by Guru ji ?

i have emphasised the words for the stress.

 

[Randip Singh]

Quote from Randip Jee "From what I have read Bhai Gurdas's Varan are often metaphorical. If one can understand these metaphors one can understand Bani."

Please listen. Guru Arjan Dev. Jee is singing.

ijsu qUM quTw so quDu iDAwey ]
ijsu qUN quTw so quDu iDAwE ]
"jis tooN tuthaa so tuDh Dhi-aa-ay."
Whom You activate he meditates on You.

swD jnw kw mMqRü kmwey ]
swD jnw kw mN»u kmwE ]
"saaDh janaa kaa mantru kamaae." SGGS Ang130-19
Saintly people's Mantra earns.

Does someone really need a metaphor from Bhai Gurdas Jee to understand any or the above Vaaks from Gurdev?
Strange, with what have your Baabaas and preachers have entangled the simple heart seekers.


Balbir Singh

Yes metaphors were commonly used by Saints and our Guru's, much like Sufi's. An example is:

Tie two Bird's together, even though they have four wing's they cannot fly

This is not from Bani btw.

Here is a metaphor from Bani:

Page 419

ਕਲਰਿ ਖੇਤੀ ਬੀਜੀਐ ਕਿਉ ਲਾਹਾ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
कलरि खेती बीजीऐ किउ लाहा पावै ॥
Kalar kẖėṯī bījī­ai ki­o lāhā pāvai.
Planting the seeds in the rocky soil, how can one reap a profit?

and another mataphor

ਚਲੇ ਚਲਣਹਾਰ ਵਾਟ ਵਟਾਇਆ ॥
चले चलणहार वाट वटाइआ ॥
Cẖalė cẖalaṇhār vāt vatā­i­ā.
The travellers travel from one road to another.

and another:

ਪਥਰ ਕੀ ਬੇੜੀ ਜੇ ਚੜੈ ਭਰ ਨਾਲਿ ਬੁਡਾਵੈ ॥੪॥
पथर की बेड़ी जे चड़ै भर नालि बुडावै ॥४॥
Pathar kī bėṛī jė cẖaṛai bẖar nāl budāvai. ||4||
If someone embarks on a boat of stone, he shall drown with its cargo. ||4||

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

Quote from Surinder (Post #91) Jee "another definition of false naam Simran: he he . . .muh me raam raam bagal me chchooree."
Some are suddenly full of hate or anger. Consequently, their words get a blend of sharpness. One may doubt his tongue if it is a knife in the mouth. Often such persons have a bag carrying printed verses of their scripture. These words explain them. Muh me cchuree bagal me raam.

The so-called Amritdhaaree has the word 'Waheguru' in his mouth and the sword hanging under his armpit.

Dear Amar Jee, Have you understood the false Simran way according to Surinder Jee, it is he he ...?

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Quote (Post #95) "like???"
Everything that these Baabaas are doing on, behind or under the stage the Gurus have not mentioned once.

Quote "and what are the "techniques" "recommended" by Guru ji ?"
Receive the Gur as Prasaad meeting the Sadhu, Saint and the true Guru. One comes to know true Naam Simran.

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Dear Randip Jee, thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev. These are realities of practical life. These are not metaphors as I have understood it.


Balbir Singh

 

[drkhalsa]

Bhai Gurdas Jee wrote that he wrote as asked 'ooraa' 'Oankaar'. My curiosity is to know who asked him to write so. This was not Gurdev, in my view. Gurdev always wrote <> but never (1 Oankaar) 1 EAMkwr.

Dear Balbir Singh ji

Satsriakal!

After reading your posts lot of curiousities arised in me
the first one is as rightly atated by you in above quote the pronuniciation of <> cant be justifies as popularly know it from various preachers

But then how should it be read or pronounced in your understanding .

kindly share it

Thanks

Jatinder Singh

 

[Archived_Member_19]

i have not understood what is false


unless you know the truth, you donot know what is false

simple logic..innit?

 

[Randip Singh]

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Dear Randip Jee, thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev. These are realities of practical life. These are not metaphors as I have understood it.


Balbir Singh

I think I need to clarify what a metaphor is:



What is a metaphor?


Definition Here are two senses of metaphor:

1. A metaphor is the expression of an understanding of one concept in terms of another concept, where there is some similarity or correlation between the two.
2. A metaphor is the understanding itself of one concept in terms of another.

Examples (English) The following sentences illustrate how the metaphorical understanding of anger-as-fire is expressed:

• Your insincere apology just added fuel to the fire.
• After the argument, Dave was smoldering for days.
• That kindled my ire.
• Boy, am I burned up!

Source: Lakoff, G. 1987 388

by what has been defined above the following lines are clearly metaphors:

here is a similar metaphor with fire from Bani

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਲਰਿPage 15, Line 10
ਪਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਪਰ ਮਲੁ ਮੁਖ ਸੁਧੀ ਅਗਨਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਚੰਡਾਲੁ ॥
पर निंदा पर मलु मुख सुधी अगनि क्रोधु चंडालु ॥
Par ninḏā par mal mukẖ suḏẖī agan kroḏẖ cẖandāl.
Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium.
Guru Nanak Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Fire expressed as desire:

[/SIZE]Page 19, Line 10
ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਲਾਗੇ ਪਚਿ ਮੁਏ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਅਗਿ ॥
दुबिधा लागे पचि मुए अंतरि त्रिसना अगि ॥
Ḏubiḏẖā lāgė pacẖ mu­ė anṯar ṯarisnā ag.
Attached to duality, they putrefy and die; they are filled with the fire of desire within.
Guru Nanak Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

metaphor of fire as egotism:

[/SIZE]Page 20, Line 12
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਲਾਹੀਐ ਹਉਮੈ ਨਿਵਰੀ ਭਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
गुरमुखि नामु सलाहीऐ हउमै निवरी भाहि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Gurmukẖ nām salāhī­ai ha­umai nivrī bẖāhi. ||1|| rahā­o.
The Gurmukh praises the Naam, and the fire of egotism is extinguished. ||1||Pause||
Guru Nanak Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

etc etc

I can give hundreds of examples. Understand metaphors. Understand Bani.
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See what i mean by metaphor.