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What Is Bhai Gurdas Jee's Key?

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<<naanak gurmukh vanjee-ai sachaa sa-udaa ho-ay. ||11||1||
O Nanak, the Gurmukhs trade in the merchandise of Truth.>>>


tera tera sab tera tera.....

waheguru........
 

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Balbir ji
I wanted to be finished discussing Bhai Gurdas with you since you lost the argument badly in another thread. But you want to know the key to Bhai Gurdas ji?

You quote this line in Vaar 36 Pauree 3 line 1

ਚੋਰੁ ਕਰੈ ਨਿਤ ਚੋਰੀਆਂ ਓੜਕਿ ਦੁਖ ਭਾਰੀ ।
"choru karai nit choreeaan aorhaki dukh bhaaree."
A thief commits thefts daily but ultimately has to suffer heavily.

And in line 2

ਨਕੁ ਕੰਨੁ ਫੜਿ ਵਢੀਐ ਰਾਵੈ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ।
"naku kannu pharhi vaddheeai raavai par naaree."
Holding the ears and nose, we chop of the person who ravishes another woman.

Then you ask…

May I ask if they should chop off ears and nose of the Sikh who ravishes another woman? Should Sikhs learn something more from Bhai Gurdas Jee?

But all of this is misleading, and you know it.

The message of Vaar 36 is entirely about self-deception – how we create an illusory world and then give ourselves an important part to play in this drama that we have created and that we believe. Bhai Gurdas was a studious man. He traveled to various cities to learn from religious scholars. He never married but he was respectful of women. He never had children yet he doted on his nieces. He was a friend, advisor and associate of 6 guru’s and lived during the lifetime of 7 gurus. He was entrusted with the compilation of the Adi Graanth. His life after all these many centuries is a story of a somewhat contemplative and learned man. Why do/did Sikhs of the Shabd Guru trust him?

Here is a hint

Also Vaar 36 Pauri 21


ਹਉ ਅਪਰਾਧੀ ਗੁਨਹਗਾਰ ਹਉ ਬੇਮੁਖ ਮੰਦਾ ।
hau aparaadhee gunahagaar hau baymukh mandaa|
I am a criminal, a sinner, evil and apostate.

ਚੋਰੁ ਯਾਰੁ ਜੂਆਰਿ ਹਉ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਜੋਹੰਦਾ ।
choru yaaru jooaari hau par ghari johandaa|
I am a thief, adulterer; gambler who always keeps his eye upon other's

ਨਿਦਕੁ ਦੁਸਟੁ ਹਰਾਮਖੋਰ ਠਗੁ ਦੇਸ ਠਗੰਦਾ ।
nidaku dusatu haraamakhor tdagu days tdagandaa|
I am a slanderer, knave, venal and a swindler who goes on cheating the whole world.

ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਮਦੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਕਰੰਦਾ ।
kaam krodh madu|obhu mohu ahankaaru karandaa|
I feel proud of my sexual urges, anger, greed, infatuations and other intoxications.

ਬਿਸਵਾਸਘਾਤੀ ਅਕਿਰਤਘਣ ਮੈ ਕੋ ਨ ਰਖੰਦਾ ।
bisavaasaghaatee akirataghan mai ko n rakhandaa|
I am treacherous and ungrateful; none likes to keep me with him. Remember,

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਮੁਰੀਦਾ ਢਾਢੀਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਖਸੰਦਾ ॥੨੧॥੩੬॥ਛੱਤੀ॥
simari mureedaa ddhaaddheeaa satigur bakhasandaa ॥21॥36॥chhatee॥
0 singing disciple! that the true Guru, alone is competent to grant pardon (for your sins).

Understand Bhai Gurdas’s humanity and humility. He confesses that he is weak and that he is a sinner. We can identify with him. He gives us permission to admit that we are imperfect, that we sin. He tells us that there is only One who can/will pardon us. No need to pretend any longer. So we trust what he says because he isn’t lying to himself, and therefore isn’t lying to us. And if we want the Truth, then we must turn to the only One who never lies.

Here is the key

Vaar 37, Pauri 20, line 8


ਗੁਰ ਪਰਚੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਸਚਿ ਸਚੁ ਸਿਾਣੈ ॥੨੦॥
gur parachai guru aakheeai sachi sachu siaanai ॥20॥
Knowledge of the Guru is called the Guru; only the truth identifies the truth.


Not you, not me, not Bhai Gurdas, not anyone else.
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

Quote from Surinder Jee "Are his/her words(truth) those are coming out of his/her mouth now, will be useless after he/she leaves the physical body???????"
Paper Guru does not speak. The person sitting near the paper Guru reading him is also not your true Guru. He may be an imitator.

Only Partakh (apparent) Guru is the true Guru. Sabad Guru is enlivening His Speech. He may be coming from His mouth or within as Sabad Guru.
He is surely not a printed paper.

bwxI gurU gurU hY bwxI ivic bwxI AMimRqu swry ]
guru bwxI khY syvku jnu mwnY prqiK gurU insqwry ]5] SGGS Ang 982-11

**************

Gurdev is singing in a proving mood.

siqguru dyau prqiK hir mUriq jo AMimRq bcn suxwvY ]
"Satguru deo partakhi hari moorati jo anmrit bachan sunaavai." SGGS Ang 1262-5
Sat Guru Deo is evident of Hari Moorat who speaks Amrit Bachan.

Ignorant sit in front of their printed paper Guru waiting for a Baabaa to come and read from it. This is their obvious (Partakh) Guru speaking exclusively for them.

The true Gurus have often suggested all to seek the company of true Partakh Guru, sadhu or the saint. It is for a purpose to receive true Naam.

Your Baabaas are playing this theater though but with a difference. They do not know what true Naam is. It is like the hungry person is promising to feed people satisfied.

**************

Dear Aad0002 Jee, we have just started learning Panjabee of Bhai Gurdas Jee and talking about it.


Balbir Singh
 

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Dear Aad0002 Jee and Surinder Jee!

Please do not feel ashamed to quote your Maarg Darsak Bhai Gurdas Jee. I hope you have not decided to discard your leading preacher.

Balbir Singh
 

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The same Bani has been recorded(on paper) and read by all Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan. Bhai Bala Ji and Bhai Mardana Ji's seva is also wrapped up in there( je mehsoos karan di shakti Waheguru den ta pataa lagda hai iss di ahmeeat da) Guru Sahib kehnday ne-- Galleen Jog na hoi......

Paper Guru is totally reliable and perfect, POORAN GURU Jagdi Jot hai, SOME CANNOT SEE IT, who cares....... one doesn't have any harm from it as it is TOTAL TRUTH. We are in safe hands. Safe from today's bhekhi baabey in human form trying to cheat the whole humanity. When they dont have any of there own words they steal others writtings and claim them to be there own..............

By having just ordinary consciousness a person cannot become a Guru or a preacher. Real spiritual insight is needed......

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness
 

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pUrw siqguru jy imlY pweIAY sbdu inDwnu ]
pooraa satgur jay milai paa-ee-ai sabad niDhaan.
If we meet the Perfect True Guru, we obtain the Treasure of the Shabad.
kir ikrpw pRB AwpxI jpIAY AMimRq nwmu ]
kar kirpaa parabh aapnee japee-ai amrit naam.
Please grant Your Grace, God, that we may meditate on Your Ambrosial Naam.
jnm mrx duKu kwtIAY lwgY shij iDAwnu ]1]
janam maran dukh kaatee-ai laagai sahj Dhi-aan. ||1||
The pains of birth and death are taken away; we are intuitively centered on His Meditation. ||1||
myry mn pRB srxweI pwie ]
mayray man parabh sarnaa-ee paa-ay.
O my mind, seek the Sanctuary of God.
hir ibnu dUjw ko nhI eyko nwmu iDAwie ]1] rhwau ]
har bin doojaa ko nahee ayko naam Dhi-aa-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Without the Lord, there is no other at all. Meditate on the One and only Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||1||Pause||
kImiq khxu n jweIAY swgru guxI AQwhu ]
keemat kahan na jaa-ee-ai saagar gunee athaahu.
His Value cannot be estimated; He is the Vast Ocean of Excellence.
vfBwgI imlu sMgqI scw sbdu ivswhu ]
vadbhaagee mil sangtee sachaa sabad visaahu.
O most fortunate ones, join the Sangat, the Blessed Congregation; purchase the True Word of the Shabad.
kir syvw suK swgrY isir swhw pwiqswhu ]2]
kar sayvaa sukh saagrai sir saahaa paatisaahu. ||2||
Serve the Lord, the Ocean of Peace, the Supreme Lord over kings and emperors. ||2||
crx kml kw Awsrw dUjw nwhI Twau ]
charan kamal kaa aasraa doojaa naahee thaa-o.
I take the Support of the Lord's Lotus Feet; there is no other place of rest for me.
mY Dr qyrI pwrbRhm qyrY qwix rhwau ]
mai Dhar tayree paarbarahm tayrai taan rahaa-o.
I lean upon You as my Support, O Supreme Lord God. I exist only by Your Power.
inmwixAw pRBu mwxu qUM qyrY sMig smwau ]3]
nimaani-aa parabh maan tooN tayrai sang samaa-o. ||3||
O God, You are the Honor of the dishonored. I seek to merge with You. ||3||
hir jpIAY AwrwDIAY AwT phr goivMdu ]
har japee-ai aaraaDhee-ai aath pahar govind.
Chant the Lord's Name and contemplate the Lord of the World, twenty-four hours a day.
jIA pRwx qnu Dnu rKy kir ikrpw rwKI ijMdu ]
jee-a paraan tan Dhan rakhay kar kirpaa raakhee jind.
He preserves our soul, our breath of life, body and wealth. By His Grace, He protects our soul.
nwnk sgly doK auqwirAnu pRBu pwrbRhm bKisMdu ]4]12]82]
naanak saglay dokh utaari-an parabh paarbarahm bakhsind. ||4||12||82||
O Nanak, all pain has been washed away, by the Supreme Lord God, the Forgiver. ||4||12||82||
 

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pUry gur kw suin aupdysu ]
pooray gur kaa sun updays.

Listen to the Teachings of the Perfect Guru;

pwrbRhmu inkit kir pyKu ]
paarbarahm nikat kar paykh.
see the Supreme Lord God near you.
swis swis ismrhu goibMd ]
saas saas simrahu gobind.
With each and every breath, meditate in remembrance on the Lord of the Universe,
mn AMqr kI auqrY icMd ]
man antar kee utrai chind.
and the anxiety within your mind shall depart.
Aws Ainq iqAwghu qrMg ]
aas anit ti-aagahu tarang.
Abandon the waves of fleeting desire,
sMq jnw kI DUir mn mMg ]
sant janaa kee Dhoor man mang.
and pray for the dust of the feet of the Saints.
Awpu Coif bynqI krhu ]
aap chhod bayntee karahu.
Renounce your selfishness and conceit and offer your prayers.
swDsMig Agin swgru qrhu ]
saaDhsang agan saagar tarahu.
In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, cross over the ocean of fire.
hir Dn ky Bir lyhu BMfwr ]
har Dhan kay bhar layho bhandaar.
Fill your stores with the wealth of the Lord.
nwnk gur pUry nmskwr ]1]
naanak gur pooray namaskaar. ||1||
Nanak bows in humility and reverence to the Perfect Guru. ||1||
 

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pUry gur qy vifAweI pweI ]
pooray gur tay vadi-aa-ee paa-ee.
From the Perfect Guru, I have obtained glorious greatness.
AicMq nwmu visAw min AweI ]
achint naam vasi-aa man aa-ee.
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, has spontaneously come to abide in my mind.
haumY mwieAw sbid jlweI ]
ha-umai maa-i-aa sabad jalaa-ee.
Through the Word of the Shabad, I have burnt away egotism and Maya.
dir swcY gur qy soBw pweI ]1]
dar saachai gur tay sobhaa paa-ee. ||1||
Through the Guru, I have obtained honor in the Court of the True Lord. ||1||
jgdIs syvau mY Avru n kwjw ]
jagdees sayva-o mai avar na kaajaa.
I serve the Lord of the Universe; I have no other work to do.
Anidnu Andu hovY min myrY gurmuiK mwgau qyrw nwmu invwjw ]1] rhwau ]
an-din anad hovai man mayrai gurmukh maaga-o tayraa naam nivaajaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Night and day, my mind is in ecstasy; as Gurmukh, I beg for the bliss-giving Naam. ||1||Pause||
mn kI prqIiq mn qy pweI ]
man kee parteet man tay paa-ee.
From the mind itself, mental faith is obtained.
pUry gur qy sbid buJweI ]
pooray gur tay sabad bujhaa-ee.
Through the Guru, I have realized the Shabad.
jIvx mrxu ko smsir vyKY ]
jeevan maran ko samsar vaykhai.
How rare is that person, who looks upon life and death alike.
bhuiV n mrY nw jmu pyKY ]2]
bahurh na marai naa jam paykhai. ||2||
She shall never die again, and shall not have to see the Messenger of Death. ||2||
Gr hI mih siB kot inDwn ]
ghar hee meh sabh kot niDhaan.
Within the home of the self are all the millions of treasures.
siqguir idKwey gieAw AiBmwnu ]
satgur dikhaa-ay ga-i-aa abhimaan.
The True Guru has revealed them, and my egotistical pride is gone.
sd hI lwgw shij iDAwn ]
sad hee laagaa sahj Dhi-aan.
I keep my meditation always focused on the Cosmic Lord.
Anidnu gwvY eyko nwm ]3]
an-din gaavai ayko naam. ||3||
Night and day, I sing the One Name. ||3||
iesu jug mih vifAweI pweI ]
is jug meh vadi-aa-ee paa-ee.
I have obtained glorious greatness in this age,
pUry gur qy nwmu iDAweI ]
pooray gur tay naam Dhi-aa-ee.
from the Perfect Guru, meditating on the Naam.
jh dyKw qh rihAw smweI ]
jah daykhaa tah rahi-aa samaa-ee.
Wherever I look, I see the Lord permeating and pervading.
sdw suKdwqw kImiq nhI pweI ]4]
sadaa sukh-daata keemat nahee paa-ee. ||4||
He is forever the Giver of peace; His worth cannot be estimated. ||4||
pUrY Bwig guru pUrw pwieAw ]
poorai bhaag gur pooraa paa-i-aa.
By perfect destiny, I have found the Perfect Guru.
AMqir nwmu inDwnu idKwieAw ]
antar naam niDhaan dikhaa-i-aa.
He has revealed to me the treasure of the Naam, deep within the nucleus of my self.
gur kw sbdu Aiq mITw lwieAw ]
gur kaa sabad at meethaa laa-i-aa.
The Word of the Guru's Shabad is so very sweet.
nwnk iqRsn buJI min qin suKu pwieAw ]5]6]4]6]10]
naanak tarisan bujhee man tan sukh paa-i-aa. ||5||6||4||6||10||
O Nanak, my thirst is quenched, and my mind and body have found peace. ||5||6||4||6||10||
 
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Dear Balbir ji,
Frankly speaking, most of us would love to read Vaaran if we get an access to them as it has been stated that these help the process of understanding simpler.
In this context even if you say that Bhai Guru das ji has played some role, let it be so.Does it matter?
 

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especialy who cares about a person who is against a Pooran Satguru, steals His Bani and calls it his own or his Gurdev's bani.

Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib Sache Patshah De Bachan from Panna # 302/303:




ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਦਇਆ ਸਦਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਦਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਇਕੁ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਨਿਰਵੈਰਾ ਨਾਲਿ ਜਿ ਵੈਰੁ ਚਲਾਇਦੇ ਤਿਨ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਤਿਸਟਿਆ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਭਨਾ ਦਾ ਭਲਾ ਮਨਾਇਦਾ ਤਿਸ ਦਾ ਬੁਰਾ ਕਿਉ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨੋ ਜੇਹਾ ਕੋ ਇਛਦਾ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਏ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਜਿਦੂ ਕਿਛੁ ਗੁਝਾ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥


ਕੋਈ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਤਿਸ ਨੋ ਫਿਟੁ ਫਿਟੁ ਕਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਪਿ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਰਖਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਧਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਦਾ ਤਿਸ ਨੋ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੁ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਵਾਰਿਆ ਜਿਨ ਜਪਿਆ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੧॥




ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਧਰਮ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੇਹਾ ਕੋ ਬੀਜੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਫਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਓਨਾ ਹਲਤਿ ਪਲਤਿ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਓਇ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚੀ ਪੈਨਾਏ ॥ ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਖੋਟੁ ਨਿਤ ਖੋਟੁ ਕਮਾਵਹਿ ਓਹੁ ਜੇਹਾ ਬੀਜੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਖਾਏ ॥ ਜਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਰਾਫੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਸੁਆਵਗੀਰ ਸਭਿ ਉਘੜਿ ਆਏ ॥ ਓਇ ਜੇਹਾ ਚਿਤਵਹਿ ਨਿਤ ਤੇਹਾ ਪਾਇਨਿ ਓਇ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹੇ ਦਯਿ ਵਜਾਏ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੁਹੀ ਸਿਰੀ ਖਸਮੁ ਆਪੇ ਵਰਤੈ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਚਲਤ ਸਬਾਏ ॥੧॥



ਇਕੁ ਮਨੁ ਇਕੁ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਲਗੈ ਸੋ ਥਾਇ ਪਾਇ ॥ ਕੋਈ ਗਲਾ ਕਰੇ ਘਨੇਰੀਆ ਜਿ ਘਰਿ ਵਥੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਸਾਈ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੋਝੀ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਨ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੀਆ ਨੋ ਦੁਖ ਭੁਖ ਹੈ ਹਥੁ ਤਡਹਿ ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਮੰਗਾਇ ॥ ਕੂੜੁ ਠਗੀ ਗੁਝੀ ਨਾ ਰਹੈ ਮੁਲੰਮਾ ਪਾਜੁ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਇ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਲੋਹਾ ਪਾਰਸਿ ਭੇਟੀਐ ਮਿਲਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੁਵਰਨੁ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੂ ਧਣੀ ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਇ ॥੨॥



ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਵਡੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਜੋ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਮਤ ਸੁਚ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੇ ਹੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਵੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਾਣੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੋ ਰਖ ਕਰਾਵੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ਪੂਜੇ ਗੁਰ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸੋ ਮਨ ਇਛੇ ਫਲ ਪਾਵੈ ॥




ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਮਾਰ ਦਿਵਾਵੈ ॥ ਫੇਰਿ ਓਹ ਵੇਲਾ ਓਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਓਹੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਆਪੇ ਖਾਵੈ ॥ ਨਰਕਿ ਘੋਰਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਕਾਲੈ ਖੜਿਆ ਜਿਉ ਤਸਕਰੁ ਪਾਇ ਗਲਾਵੈ ॥ ਫਿਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣੀ ਪਵੈ ਤਾ ਉਬਰੈ ਜਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਤਾ ਆਖਿ ਸੁਣਾਏ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤੇ ਏਵੈ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੧॥



ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਮੰਨੈ ਓਹੁ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਮੁਠਾ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਸੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੂੜੋ ਕਰਿ ਬੁਝੈ ਅਣਹੋਦੇ ਝਗੜੇ ਦਯਿ ਓਸ ਦੈ ਗਲਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਗਲ ਫਰੋਸੀ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁਤੇਰੀ ਓਸ ਦਾ ਬੋਲਿਆ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਭਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਹੰਢੈ ਜਿਉ ਰੰਨ ਦਹਾਗਣਿ ਓਸੁ ਨਾਲਿ ਮੁਹੁ ਜੋੜੇ ਓਸੁ ਭੀ ਲਛਣੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥







 

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Dear all!

Quote from Surinder Jee "The same Bani has been recorded(on paper) and read by all Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan."
This shows the influence of preachers and mind on lost people.
The true Gurus are singing and writing that one realizes truth through Naam Simran, not by reading their writings.

Quote "je mehsoos karan di shakti Waheguru den ta pataa lagda hai iss di ahmeeat da."
Inertia and its properties are also God's Will. I agree.

Quote "Paper Guru is totally reliable and perfect, POORAN GURU . . ."
Be happy with your paper Guru. My Pooran Guru is Sabad Guru.
May I ask if your Pooran Guru has ever talked about the Paper Guru?

Quote "Paper Guru is totally reliable and perfect, POORAN GURU Jagdi Jot hai."
Why people need a Jot (light) to read your paper Guru?

Quote "SOME CANNOT SEE IT, who cares."
Nobody needs to care when fanatics are caring under God's Will.

Quote "We are in safe hands. Safe from today's bhekhi baabey in human form trying to cheat the whole humanity. When they dont have any of there own words they steal others writtings and claim them to be there own.............."
Is this the reason some are stealing translations from others, copying and pasting those in their posts on forums? Have they anything of their own to say?

Quote "By having just ordinary consciousness a person cannot become a Guru or a preacher. Real spiritual insight is needed......"
How many certificates has your institution issued up to now?

Quote "humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness."
Nobody is the authority here to forgive someone. When will your excuses have an end?

Quote from your post #72 "especialy who cares about a person who is against a Pooran Satguru, steals His Bani and calls it his own or his Gurdev's bani."
Sinners who put the true Gurus in jail, on the hot plate or buried alive charged them similarly. Incarnation seems to continue at all levels.

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Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from the true Gurus.

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Quote from Sikh80 Jee "Frankly speaking, most of us would love to read Vaaran if we get an access to them as it has been stated that these help the process of understanding simpler."
May I ask? Is something left to read and understand? Better take care to receive true Naam. By realizing that reading and understanding of mind become superfluous.


Balbir Singh
 

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ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਮਾਰ ਦਿਵਾਵੈ ॥ ਫੇਰਿ ਓਹ ਵੇਲਾ ਓਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਓਹੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਆਪੇ ਖਾਵੈ ॥



ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਮੰਨੈ ਓਹੁ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਮੁਠਾ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਸੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੂੜੋ ਕਰਿ ਬੁਝੈ ਅਣਹੋਦੇ ਝਗੜੇ ਦਯਿ ਓਸ ਦੈ ਗਲਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
 
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May I ask? Is something left to read and understand? Better take care to receive true Naam. By realizing that reading and understanding of mind become superfluous.

Balbir Singh
Reading is essential to make one remember as to what we are and what we should be. The daily hammering does the work. Yes ,you are right veer ji..that one should strive for the truth.
regards.
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

Many preachers say that they have the key given by Bhai Gurdas Jee to understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.
May I ask if Sikhs have now learnt to worship the key first and the true Guru later?


Balbir Singh

From what I have read Bhai Gurdas's Varan are often metaphorical. If one can understand these metaphors one can understand Bani.
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Quote "Reading is essential to make one remember as to what we are and what we should be."
Who likes a person who needs instructions to read repeatedly? Are all saps gathered around the paper Guru?

Quote "The daily hammering does the work."
Which iron headed persons have put them on fire?

Quote "Yes ,you are right veer ji..that one should strive for the truth."
With God's Blessing, rarely someone gets these impulses.
Business Baabaas are but worried of each customer.

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Quote from Randip Jee "From what I have read Bhai Gurdas's Varan are often metaphorical. If one can understand these metaphors one can understand Bani."

Please listen. Guru Arjan Dev. Jee is singing.

ijsu qUM quTw so quDu iDAwey ]
ijsu qUN quTw so quDu iDAwE ]
"jis tooN tuthaa so tuDh Dhi-aa-ay."
Whom You activate he meditates on You.

swD jnw kw mMqRü kmwey ]
swD jnw kw mN»u kmwE ]
"saaDh janaa kaa mantru kamaae." SGGS Ang130-19
Saintly people's Mantra earns.

Does someone really need a metaphor from Bhai Gurdas Jee to understand any or the above Vaaks from Gurdev?
Strange, with what have your Baabaas and preachers have entangled the simple heart seekers.


Balbir Singh
 

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ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਮੰਨੈ ਓਹੁ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਮੁਠਾ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਸੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੂੜੋ ਕਰਿ ਬੁਝੈ ਅਣਹੋਦੇ ਝਗੜੇ ਦਯਿ ਓਸ ਦੈ ਗਲਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
 

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਧਰਮ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੇਹਾ ਕੋ ਬੀਜੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਫਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਓਨਾ ਹਲਤਿ ਪਲਤਿ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਓਇ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚੀ ਪੈਨਾਏ ॥ ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਖੋਟੁ ਨਿਤ ਖੋਟੁ ਕਮਾਵਹਿ ਓਹੁ ਜੇਹਾ ਬੀਜੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਖਾਏ ॥ ਜਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਰਾਫੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਸੁਆਵਗੀਰ ਸਭਿ ਉਘੜਿ ਆਏ ॥ ਓਇ ਜੇਹਾ ਚਿਤਵਹਿ ਨਿਤ ਤੇਹਾ ਪਾਇਨਿ ਓਇ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹੇ ਦਯਿ ਵਜਾਏ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੁਹੀ ਸਿਰੀ ਖਸਮੁ ਆਪੇ ਵਰਤੈ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਚਲਤ ਸਬਾਏ ॥੧॥
 

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khu nwnk CMq dieAwl mohn ky mn hir crx ghIjY AYsI mn pRIiq kIjY ]4]1]4]
kaho naanak chhant da-i-aal mohan kay man har charan gaheejai aisee man pareet keejai. ||4||1||4||
Says Nanak, chant the Hymns of the merciful and fascinating Lord, O mind. Grasp the lotus feet of the Lord, and enshrine such love for Him in your mind. ||4||1||4||
 

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