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What Actually Are The 3 Qualities?

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This is how brilliant Guruji is...saying the gunas are part of Maya and Maya is one big guna to overcome. Thank you for posting that
Transcending the three Guna of Maya, they are established in the Fourth State (Chauthaa Pada) of Consciousness. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 262).

harcharjisinghdhillon ji Thank you for this. But I also want to repeat for the "newcomers" who need "detailed' understanding, the details come from SGGS. Without reading shabads and concentrating on the details of the shabads, asking questions about the words and phrases there, no foundation is being laid for a strong discussion. Who are the "experts" in the end. If someone is writing and not taking all of the shabad into his thoughts then we are all being fooled.
 
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What you are witnessing there is the European attempts to make various Indian religions into one religion. lol It won't work.

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Absolutely !!
I can see that the gurmat view on these 3 gunas tells us that it is the world and his way. Maybe an easier way of looking at it is by considering all matter or material nature as 'maya' and it consisting of these 3 qualities.

Minus these attributes of maya from us and then we are left with the pure consciousness or the true nature of our jeeva (god-jyot..etc).
Like Bhagatji stated, they are a part of us. It is by his will that we allow ourselves to be conditioned by them.
Imagine the drop of water that comes down in it's pure form before it hits the ground. Once it hits the earth it becomes conditioned to whatever material it may be in contact with and it becomes limited. Whatever physical property the material will have is what will control the drop of water, ie.. whether it evaporates or fuses with other material.
-In the same way, we have our pure form or jeeva and now we are conditioned by the matter we live in(maya).

Saatav or sat is the goodness, free from sinful actions and the better quality of us.
-Acting in accordance with pure truth and good.
-There are no actions for self gain.

Raajas or raaj is the passion, the unlimited desires, attachment to mundane objects.
-It binds the jeeva to material mentality.
-It gives the mindset the charcteristics of passion, selfishness,fear, greed, lust, power struggle, competing with others, status and evil instincts.
-Actions done for self gain.
-It is this quality that causes us all miseries,sorrows,depression etc..

Taamas or tam is simply Ignorance.
--This quality is what causes the spiritual ignorance.
- One is unable to attain proper understanding of matters.
-It causes delusion, fears, misconceptions, character weaknesses, carelessness, inactivity, laziness..etc..
-This quality is what causes us to search in outer objects for happpiness and liberation.
- It is what causes us to attain comfort from drugs, alcohol, taboo activities, eating for comfort, buying for comfort..etc... This is because the person takes themselves as limited and mortal and intends to do these things for short term for a quick fix!
-The person is usually very reluctant to progress or explore any spiritual undertstanding and this quality effects knowledge of the being and prevents them from spiritual realization.
- A taamasic person is full of wrong ideas and has very little interest associating with spiritual or enlightened beings.
- The person is also quite body conscious like raajas.

The taamas and raajas go together quite well like 2 sides to a coin.
We all have these 3 qualities and they vary between each and every one of us. It is the variance in degrees and their intertwining that defines our maya or material characters.
To be able to identify them and then to realise them are the steps we should take if one wants to progress on the spiritual ladder.
 
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In Samkhya philosophy, there are three major guṇas that serve as the fundamental operating principles or 'tendencies' of prakṛti (universal nature) which are called: sattva guṇa, rajas guṇa, and tamas guṇa. The three primary gunas are generally accepted to be associated with creation (sattva), preservation (rajas), and destruction (tamas).
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guṇa)

ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਗੁਣਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਹਜੁ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਇ ॥ (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Pg 68)
(In the three qualities, intuitive balance is not obtained; the three qualities lead to delusion and doubt.)

Further,

Guru Sahib clearly talks about the tripartite 'Gunas' as described in the Vedic and Samkhya philosophy and how believing in them one is led astray.

How should one be led astray by this simple concept of birth, sustenance and destruction??
That's the big metaphysical question in this...

Vedic philosophy basically supports the idea of duality in worship. One is the concept of a supreme Brahman, and the other is of the myriads of Gods and Goddesses (Both concepts are contained in Vedas, not otherwise as argued by some Hindu apologetics). Interestingly, these Gods and Godesses are not always viewed as 'aspects' of a single 'God', they have a proper hierarchy into greater and lesser Gods, some indigenous and non-indigenous ones, and list runs into millions. Even the concept of 'Trimurti', which in essence represents the 'Trigunas', is not well-developed and vague, theologist R.C. Majumdar observes,
"Its most notable expression is to be found in the theological conception of the Trimūrti, i.e., the manifestation of the supreme God in three forms of Brahmā, Viṣṇu, and Śiva.... But the attempt cannot be regarded as a great success, for Brahmā never gained an ascendancy comparable to that of Śiva or Viṣṇu, and the different sects often conceived the Trimūrti as really the three manifestations of their own sectarian god, whom they regarded as Brahman or Absolute. "

I request fellow SPNers to shed some light on this...



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to my understanding any activities done on this 3 gunas, true mukti cannot be earned, and we will become slaves to cycles of birth and death.. destiny in sikhism is to get freed from death.. so by only indulging in this 3 gunas we cannot find mukti.. the whole controller of this gunas is the mind.. when the mind is completely surrendered in deep meditation with the help of NAAM, then we are liberated, freed from death. no more death..so in other words we can say this 3 gunas are the cause of pain and suffering, always facing death.. further more maya is not eternal in sikhism thought, so no point in making a destiny to maya.. there will be always death in maya.. in the region of maya, the most highest reward that we can earn from this gunas life after life is a human birth.. after all the goodness done life after life, i had already earned this body, so now is to earn mukti thru the grace of waheguru. human birth is a channel for path of mukti.. thanks and sat sri akal
 
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dear ji
to my understanding any activities done on this 3 gunas, true mukti cannot be earned, and we will become slaves to cycles of birth and death.. destiny in sikhism is to get freed from death.. so by only indulging in this 3 gunas we cannot find mukti.. the whole controller of this gunas is the mind.. when the mind is completely surrendered in deep meditation with the help of NAAM, then we are liberated, freed from death. no more death..so in other words we can say this 3 gunas are the cause of pain and suffering, always facing death.. further more maya is not eternal in sikhism thought, so no point in making a destiny to maya.. there will be always death in maya.. in the region of maya, the most highest reward that we can earn from this gunas life after life is a human birth.. after all the goodness done life after life, i had already earned this body, so now is to earn mukti thru the grace of waheguru. human birth is a channel for path of mukti.. thanks and sat sri akal

It is my opinion that this is not true. I do not think we can go on believing that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the culmination of hundreds of years of learnings from the vedas and upanishads. The "whole controller" is not the mind. The controller is Waheguru.


ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ॥
गउड़ी महला ९ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 9.
Gauree, Ninth Mehl:

ਸਾਧੋ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਕੇ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਵਉ ॥
साधो गोबिंद के गुन गावउ ॥
Sāḏẖo gobinḏ ke gun gāva▫o.
Holy Saadhus: sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe.

ਮਾਨਸ ਜਨਮੁ ਅਮੋਲਕੁ ਪਾਇਓ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਕਾਹਿ ਗਵਾਵਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
मानस जनमु अमोलकु पाइओ बिरथा काहि गवावउ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Mānas janam amolak pā▫i▫o birthā kāhi gavāva▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o.
You have obtained the priceless jewel of this human life; why are you uselessly wasting it? ||1||Pause||

ਪਤਿਤ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਦੀਨ ਬੰਧ ਹਰਿ ਸਰਨਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਤੁਮ ਆਵਉ ॥
पतित पुनीत दीन बंध हरि सरनि ताहि तुम आवउ ॥
Paṯiṯ punīṯ ḏīn banḏẖ har saran ṯāhi ṯum āva▫o.
He is the Purifier of sinners, the Friend of the poor. Come, and enter the Lord's Sanctuary.

ਗਜ ਕੋ ਤ੍ਰਾਸੁ ਮਿਟਿਓ ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਤੁਮ ਕਾਹੇ ਬਿਸਰਾਵਉ ॥੧॥
गज को त्रासु मिटिओ जिह सिमरत तुम काहे बिसरावउ ॥१॥
Gaj ko ṯarās miti▫o jih simraṯ ṯum kāhe bisrāva▫o. ||1||
Remembering Him, the elephant's fear was removed; so why do you forget Him? ||1||

ਤਜਿ ਅਭਿਮਾਨ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਫੁਨਿ ਭਜਨ ਰਾਮ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਵਉ ॥
तजि अभिमान मोह माइआ फुनि भजन राम चितु लावउ ॥
Ŧaj abẖimān moh mā▫i▫ā fun bẖajan rām cẖiṯ lāva▫o.
Renounce your egotistical pride and your emotional attachment to Maya; focus your consciousness on the Lord's meditation.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਤ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪੰਥ ਇਹੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਇ ਤੁਮ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੨॥੫॥
नानक कहत मुकति पंथ इहु गुरमुखि होइ तुम पावउ ॥२॥५॥ Nānak kahaṯ mukaṯ panth ih gurmukẖ ho▫e ṯum pāva▫o. ||2||5||
Says Nanak, this is the path to liberation. Become Gurmukh, and attain it. ||2||5||

The elephant is freed from the mud of attachments by the divine. He does not free himself. The elephant recognizes his dependence on the divine, not on his own efforts. This is the key to shabad guru. You can try all sorts of things, but you are not in charge.

Notice in the shabad that human life is a precious thing. It is not an evil thing. It is just that we get stuck in its gunas, just like the elephant. The shabad says He is the purifier. We are not the purifiers of ourselves. We renounce our ego and emotional attachment to Maya, but ridding ourselves of attachment to Maya or her gunas is not the sufficient condition for liberation. We must focus on Gobind to become Gurmukh. Gurmukh means we turn our face, give our total concentration, to the Guru.

Even the sadhu must call out just like the elephant. In the vedic tradition, or some forms of them, if you meditate in order to free yourself of attachment to Maya/gunas, then you will achieve mukhti. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, if you do simran of the Lord of the Universe Gobind then the gunas will no longer enslave you. One is a message of self-purification; the other says if you let Gobind help you, there is no possibility for the gunas to be your trap. Waheguru does the work of liberation if you call out That is your job. You are already the elephant.
 
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Even the sadhu must call out just like the elephant. In the vedic tradition, or some forms of them, if you meditate in order to free yourself of attachment to Maya/gunas, then you will achieve mukhti. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, if you do simran of the Lord of the Universe Gobind then the gunas will no longer enslave you. One is a message of self-purification; the other says if you let Gobind help you, there is no possibility for the gunas to be your trap. Waheguru does the work of liberation if you call out That is your job. You are already the elephant.


Sorry. Self-purification is ego working. Gobind-purification is the way out of the gunas and on to the Guru.
 
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dear all members
sat sri akal.. please give some examples activities that are related to 3 gunas or the 3 qualities,, raj, tam and satvic... so newcomers can understand what we are talking about.. to me talking about health, goodness and badnes plus other duality subjects, what is hot and cold, what is right and wrong, are all under the 3 gunas or qualities.. Please give more examples? we are suppose to rise above 3 gunas
 

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dear all members
sat sri akal.. please give some examples activities that are related to 3 gunas or the 3 qualities,, raj, tam and satvic... so newcomers can understand what we are talking about.. to me talking about health, goodness and badnes plus other duality subjects, what is hot and cold, what is right and wrong, are all under the 3 gunas or qualities.. Please give more examples? we are suppose to rise above 3 gunas

I explained this and simplified them myself in the above thread.
The whole maya as we perceive it falls under these qualities.
Even the foods we eat can be classed under these headings of sattvic, rajatisc and tamatisc.
 

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If there is nothing new to add then we have probably exhausted the subject. Time to close the thread. Further discussion of the 3 qualities on any future threads should add to our knowledge rather than run in circles. Moderator or admin will be able to write a summary of the discussion, if they choose to do so, after the thread is closed. spnadmin
 
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