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Was Mutiny of 1857 in any way a Freedom Movement

Discussion in 'History of Sikhism' started by hpluthera, Nov 27, 2005.

  1. hpluthera

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    Purbias and Bengal forces attacked Sikhs under British Command and they were instrumental for fighting for British to Establish in India for 100 years and they were in no way Patriotic in their actions or spirit.

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  3. Arvind

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    It is ironic that Sikhs played a major role in Indian freedom movement - both in a negative and positive way.

    After Anglo Sikh wars... Sikhs became a big part of British forces, and these sikhs fought with fellow brothers. :down:

    On the other hand, Namdhari movement was the first one to recognize the need of freedom :wah:

    A few mutinees failed due to sikh traitors, which further delayed the process. Sikhs in british forces when landed in Canada in early 1900s realized the need of sovereignty. Bengalis were very instrumental in bringing this reality check to sikhs living overseas.

    Ultimately, 2% of total population became a major 80% of total freedom fighters who ran to get hanged, and voice out their desire for freedom. :wah:

    And yes, I will call the 1857 episode a freedom movement.

    Big ups to ghadri babey and the shaheeds
     
  4. drkhalsa

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    Well difficult to say yes to this one there was no india at the time british people invaded Punjab 0n 1850 So for people of punjab both were ALIEN ( British and rest of India )
     
  5. Arvind

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    Dr Sahib,

    'fellow brothers' include sikhs as well. In a single family, one person was serving british forces or police services... and other one was a freedom fighter.

    Inspector Sukha Singh from Punjab himself went to Kolkata when KamaGata Maru arrived and caused all bloodshed on fellow sikh brothers, by opening fire. This is just one of the examples. You may like to google for 'hopkinson' as well, to know how sikhs were used against sikhs. Lot of horror stories may pop up.

    Regards, Arvind.
     
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    your reply shows your hatred for some heroes of freedom struggle unfortunately or fortunately only Sikhs Historically raised the first war and slogan for freedom. Not only that they faught for over 150 years to quell mughuls from northeren India and beyond the borders of Kabul and peshawar to that India has respite from the raiders.
    They were the great pillars for Indian border protection for 200 years and were betrayed from with in and Purbya soldiers the British mercernaries.

    Sikhism is the religion based on freedom. Sikhism is the practice for freedom of worship. Gurus gave Chadhdi Kala (High Spirits) in all times and great confidence for victory. And sacrifice was not only preached by the Gurus but also embraced. They faught and sacrifice to protect not for their own faith but the faith of Hindus too.

    When Guru Teg Bahadur was asked by Moghul King why you are fighting for the protection of these Hindus whose ways you do not subscribe. Guru Said persecution I do not suscribe nor shall allow any one to tremple over by force any one's faith just to satify the ego of his own belief.

    " Tilak Janjhu Rakha " Guru Teg Bahdur gave up his head but not the faith.


    So your acceptance or judgement can not change the truth and it is true that when known leaders (Gandhi and Tilak and others ) of the time echoed Savrajya although Sikhs had lost their Empire to British but the fire for freedom was never dampened. So it was the Punjab and the Sikhs who led the struggle with first brunt of physical sacrifice.

    About Mutiny:
    Purbiyas of Mutiny never raised any slogan of freedom they only raised an objection to use the ammunition there is great difference. They were just mercernaries and faught for money not for moral or political goals in mind. It is later on by an after thought and history alteration that the mutiny was named as freedom movement. Purbyas army neither had that goal nor that slogan. The Britishers changed the ammunition and they were happy. many of these soldiers changed religion and adopted christianity.
    Check up the history of these soldiers. from british documents.

    HP Luthera



     
  7. vijaydeep Singh

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    Gurfateh

    was Gulab Singh Dorgra a purbia or pricly states of Patiala etc or few non Punjabi Sikhs in the amry of Britishers.

    In fact in Ludhiana garrision as well as few parts of east Punajb of that time during 1857 Sikhs also did support rebels.

    But you are correct that these guys had nothing to do with naton but to bring back feudal system prevalant before Britshers like Moghals or Marthas and perhaps catridges of beef or prok were only hoax and not truth at all.

    In fact often during that rebellion Muslims also killed many innocents Hindus which they thought to be part of British intelligence.

    Das being from Bihari father realy did not like term Pubias or Bihari ditching Sikhs as what they did was thier duty as mercenaries.The sepoys as they were did supressed many local Biharis and Eastern UP rebellions against the Britishers.

    We need not forget that many rebellions in West UP,Bengal and Assam against Britihsers had big role of local Sikhs in them.May be due to that then government made Sikhs weak in east India.
     
  8. Arvind

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    Veer jio,

    This is a very strong statement you have made for me. I am totally unsure what prompted you to say so.

    Guru Fateh ji.
     
  9. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    mutiny of 1857..

    dear all,
    imho, the mutiny of 1857 per se was just a small hotch potch of many self serving individual "mutinies"...everybody wanted his own thing....nothing NATIONAL about it.

    The main thing that drove away the Sikhs was the push by the mutineers to reinstate the MUGHAL EMPEROR.... now which Sikh in his right mind would support such a move.. Sikhs had been fighting tooth and nail to depose the Mughals for over 200 years..from Guru hargobind Ji's time....and to accept another mughal ruler would be asking too much. Then again was the recently concluded JAANG HIND PUNJAB da hon laggah dovehn patshahi faujaan bhaariaan ne... PUNJAB was the LAST state to fall under the British no thanks to the other Indian Forces allied to the British...

    Jarnail Singh
     

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