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    Victims of Islamic bigotry

    The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Victims of Islamic bigotry

    Anuradha Dutt

    The beheading of Sikhs in Pakistan and the assault on a temple at Sonargaon in Bangladesh point towards the plight of non-Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The situation is clearly intolerable and India must exercise its moral authority to come to the aid of innocent victims

    Even as political parties that nurture minority (read Muslim) vote-banks prepare to grant further privileges to the community under the guise of alleviating social and economic backwardness, and lakhs of illegal Bangladeshi Muslim immigrants procure property and voting rights, one just needs to look across India’s western and eastern flanks to ascertain how Sikh and Hindu minorities in Muslim majority nations are being persecuted. In the latest of a series of communal assaults on them, two Sikhs were beheaded by the Pakistani Taliban for their reported failure to convert to Islam. A grief-stricken Taranjit Singh, cousin of Jaspal Singh, one of the decapitated men, praised Jaspal for choosing martyrdom over the ignominy of forced conversion. The other reason cited for the decapitation is the deadline having passed for payment of ransom of Rs 3 crore to the abductors. Two other Sikhs are still in the Taliban’s captivity.

    In Bangladesh, on February 6, a gang of men, 30-35 in number, vandalised the Sonargaon temple, an ancient Hindu pilgrimage in Narayanganj district, and damaged six idols. The supposedly secular Indian intelligentsia and media, which suffered an apoplectic fit as a result of the Babri Masjid demolition, largely ignored the assault. Neither did Right-wing groups, posing as custodians of Hindu interests, bother to raise the issue. Yet, to dreg up the past, the Muslim backlash to the Babri Masjid demolition on December 6, 1992 was marked by the ancient Dhakeshwari shaktipeeth in Dhaka being vandalised and Hindus being butchered; and over a hundred shrines, including those of Jains and Sikhs, being damaged in Pakistan, and a Jain temple being razed. In Britain, a temple was razed by a vengeful mob, and gurudwaras and Hindu shrines attacked. Muslim expatriates from the subcontinent attacked the Indian Embassy at Teheran, and rose in protest in Arab countries though Arabs themselves observed restraint.

    The assault on the Sonargaon shrine as well as the beheading simply draws attention to the plight of non-Muslims in regions, where Islamic bigotry has reared up in a ferocious avatar. Under the previous Bangladesh Government, reports of snatching of land, owned by Hindus, were common; and majority of rape cases were registered by Hindu women. Such persecution forced many Hindus to flee their homes and seek refuge here. In Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban’s writ runs, besides Sikhs and Hindus, minority Christians too are on the run from marauders, criminals and fanatics, posing as the true flag-bearers of Islam. They are being forced to pay jizya, protection money or survival tax, in order to ensure their safety, to extortionists. In Iraq, too, according to reports, Christian families are being coerced by gun-toting men to pay jizya or leave.

    The poll tax levied on non-Muslims in Muslim countries in exchange for state protection draws sanction from the Quran (Al-Tawbah 9:29). The imposition of jizya and the accompanying violence in lawless areas is a throwback to the past, when crusading Islamic conquerors subjugated ‘infidel natives’ either on the point of the sword via forced conversions or spared their lives in exchange for the payment of protection money:

    “Summon the people to god; those who respond to your call, accept it from them, but those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword without leniency. Fear god with regard to what you have been entrusted.” (Al Tabari, Volume XII)

    Umar ibn al-Khattab during the conquest of al-Basrah (636 CE)

    The conquest of Sindh by Muhammed Bin Qasim in the early 8th century AD led to imposition of jizya on Hindu and Buddhist natives. In return, they were free to follow their own religions. This set the precedent for some of the Islamic rulers who followed him into India. The empire-builders among them, the Mughals, alternated between Islamic severity and kingly graciousness in their treatment of non-Muslims. However, the Sikhs, as a militant sect, came into conflict with them. Emperors Jahangir and Aurangzeb clashed with two of the Sikh gurus Arjan Dev and Tegh Bahadur, respectively, and had them put to death. The four sons and mother of Guru Govind Singh, the last in the line, were also martyred for resisting imposition of Islam, as were thousands of others. The differentiation between Muslims and infidels often owed to political compulsions.

    But such intolerance is an anachronism in today’s rapidly shrinking world. There are ulterior motives behind religious bigotry. Hugh Fitzgerald, of JihadWatch, states on his internet site DhimmiWatch:

    “Elsewhere, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Hindus and Christians live in a state of permanent physical danger, and that danger also is one of losing their property to Muslim looters and marauders who cannot be sued or brought to justice on the say-so of a non-Muslim... There is no security for the property of non-Muslims in Muslim lands, and there are various ways in which the ‘protection money’ that is the jizya is paid...”.

    Religious bigotry is thus also a convenient pretext for extortion and grabbing minorities’ property, and making them abandon their homes.
     
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    May be slightly off- the topic.

    We are all witnessing terrorism for quite some time. Some are affected directly while many are affected indirectly. Besides other reasons , the reason of the terrorism is to be related to the ease of finances that are made available to these organisations. It can also be imagined that the funding of these organizations is not possible with out the concurrence of the state. It cannot be without the implicit green signal from the state.

    Pakistan can be taken as an example. ISI is not only helping these organisations by providing them with the latest weapons but also provides the other logical inputs to these set-ups. Some times even the targets are also identified by ISI and the remaining action for the implementation of the terrorist activities is left to these out fits.

    US is directly funding Pakistan in the name of controlling the terror outfits. But that money, directly or indirectly, is passed on to these terror outfits. Us has its compulsions of depending on Pakistan because of 'Osama Factor'.Besides this the funding is also done through the saudis through the Petro Dollar routes. Thus the petrol of Central asia is one of the major source of financing of terrorism. Petrol ,being the basic need of any economy, is imported from these countries. The sale -proceeds goes to the Government or to the few select individuals who participate in this on the basis of roayalty. The surplus money that is generally parked in banks is now parked with these terror outfits. In my opinion this is the area that needs to be very cautiously controlled or put to check to ensure that the easy money is not made available to these set ups. It is only after the drying up of these kinds of wells that the society will have some relief from the nuisance of Islamic terror that has made for some ,this beautiful life, that God has given us, a hell.

    But the million dollar question would be as to which developed country will like to sacrifice the growth of economy. US being the largest of the economy has to ,probably, stop its selfish actions of keeping its petrol reservoirs intact and keep on buying the petrol from these Countries. It is like indirect financing of the fuel that US holds in its reservoirs.This kind of actions coupled with few others that members may suggest may have some salubrious affect. US should come out of its complex of controlling the world through its economic sanctions etc and have a re look at its policies in the interest of the international obligations. Things can change if some pressure is built on US. India cannot be compared with US. But it can also reduce its dependence on Petrol or crude petroleum.

    Sharing with you some thoughts....
     
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    I strongly condemon the brutal beheading of sikhs in Khyber area of Pakistan. It has to do nothing with Islam or any religion but was a purely criminal/terrorists act by so-called Talibans. It is not serving Islam or Pakistan at all. No Muslim can prove it. Every body know that these terrorists are on war with the Pakistan Army and Government in general. They have beheaded Pakistan Army personal too and killed thousands of Pakistani innocent people in suicides attacks.

    I totally disagree that ISI is supprting or helping these terrorists as it is not making sense at all as Army is seriosly fighing to finish them off. How come any Army support the enemy ??

    Whereas, there are lots of proofs that RAW and CIA used to support those criminals against Pakistan Army. It looks like that this brutal act could be to derail the IND-Pak dialoges ?

    Anyway according to the news it was for failing to get the ransom not for convertion to Islam ? see for proof http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-news/29303-slap-dirty-face-real-islam-lowly.html

    LANDI KOTAL: Militants have beheaded a kidnapped Sikh in Tirah valley of Khyber Agency after his relatives failed to pay ransom, according to his family.
    Jaspal Singh and two other Sikhs were kidnapped from the Chora Tanga area of Tirah two weeks ago.
    According to the family, the kidnappers had demanded Rs20 million by Feb 20 for Mr Jaspal’s release.
    Sources said that a jirga of some local elders and relatives of the kidnapped Sikhs went to Tirah on Saturday in order to negotiate the release of the hostages, but the captors instead handed them over the beheaded body of Jaspal on Sunday. The two other Sikhs are still in captivity. — Ibrahim Shinwari.
     
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    Narayanjot Kaur Ji Talibans are not "Muslim Conquars" at all they are not suppose to demand Jizia etc from the non-muslims. They are just crimnal gangs mis-representing Islam. Most of them are Al-Qaida members from other countries. I strongly believe that a Muslim king/ruler must respect/protect no-muslim worship places and completely safe-guard non-muslims including their properties.
     
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    Rana ji

    What are you talking is pure theory.Islamic history is full of conquering non muslim lands and destroying their places of worship.visible signs are all over India
    where temples were destroyed and minars and mosques.Talibans are just the
    doing the same what Muslim conquerers earlier did
     
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    They are enforcing their twisted need to return to "traditional" ways and habits. Historically the jizia was always imposed on non Muslims -- pay up or die.

    This in today's world would be called extortion or a "protection" racket -- as extracted from small business by underworld gangs, like the Mafia. Again pay for protection or we blow up your house, burn down your store, kidnap your child, threaten your life, rape your wife. The big difference is that the Taliban are dishonoring themselves by doing this in the name of God.

    You say they the Taliban are not supposed to demand Jizya. Well they are demanding it. And what they are doing is a time-honored tradition according to the Quran and Haddith.
     
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    India has been telling US for decades that, Pakistan's policies are dangerous not only for India but also for the world but US only ridiculed this theory. It was only after 9/11 that US woke and has publicly acknowledged that Pakistan is the most dangerous place on the earth. It is also now refusing entry to people who have Pakistan visa stamped on their passports! Many Sikhs who had gone to Pakistan purely for pilgrimage are being refused entry into the US!
    This is one extreme. But it continues to pump money into Pakistan in the name of fighting terror. This money is then channelised to terror outfits. So this completes the vicious circle!
     
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    "Many Sikhs who had gone to Pakistan purely for pilgrimage are being refused entry into the US!" Give proof of this or some press clipping .

    There are many sites on the internet run by "white Americans" claiming 9/11 was an "inside job" !
     
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    I admit that I do not have any press clipping. But I have been told by the word of mouth that this is so.
    Moreover permission for entry into US is purely discretionary and the decision of the Consul officer is final and no reasons are required to be given. Hence there is bound to be speculation on the reason for rejection.
     
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    Some one please translate this in brief for those who can not read Punjabi.Thank you.
     

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    harbhans ji has it absolutely correct on this point. The US today is paying a huge price financially and politically for its policy of ignorance born of arrogance.

    Pakistan, albeit yet another unofficial military dictatorship no matter who was at the helm over nearly half a century, was always viewed as a wedge between Russian interests in Central Asia and the American way of life. So dictators were propped up by infusions of foreign aid, and the CIA promoted a false sense of security on the states side with outright falsehoods.

    9/11


    To this mix add the ambivalence and oftentimes guilt in the "so-called-intelligensia" to criticise any that is Islamic publicly. It remains forbidden, as if such a critique were to blacken a religion rather than to see what is right before one's eyes.

    Let's go back to Guru Nanak and the destruction of Lahore to get our compass reset on this point.

    Thanks harbhans BTW for calling for what it is.
     
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    But even the above post does not prove the following :

    Many Sikhs who had gone to Pakistan purely for pilgrimage are being refused entry into the US!

    We do not believe in hearsay .
     
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    LOL I will respond to that in due time. How did I know you would lunge within in minutes of my posting. LOL
     
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    Let's not indulge in hearsay, but start with official US Immigration policy relative to Pakistan.

    See this link.
    Permanent Immigrants - U.S. Embassy Islamabad, Pakistan


    After we digest its contents we can move onto any exceptional patterns of exclusion or discrimination.

    US policy in theory applies to all immigrant groups equally. In practice immigration from India is actually more difficult than from Pakistan.


    This link explains why India and China are at a disadvantage under the US green card quota system.

    The Green Card quota system

    I want to study this a little more. Yet, after a little research on this I am kind of amazed by this discovery. Reasons seem to be economic in nature.

    Immigration from a "disputed territory" tends to be more problematic. So I have to find out if that would currently apply to Indians trying to immigrate from Pakistan.


    I was born in what today is a disputed territory. What country do I fall under?

    Wednesday, 04 March 2009 04:03 FAQs - The Green Card quota system

    "Check with a US consulate for policies regarding such areas. Examples include the Gaza Strip and West Bank, as well as the Kuril Islands between Japan and Russia, Taiwan and a number of other areas."
     

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