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Understanding Guru As Per Granth Sahib

Oct 14, 2007
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guru dwqw smrQu guru guru sB mih rihAw smwie ]

The Guru is the Giver, the Guru is All-powerful. The Guru is All-pervading, contained amongst all.


The above satar also signifies the One Almighty who is omnipresent and is omnipotent. This qualification cannot be applied to the other two types of Gurus i.e. SGGS and the 10 Gurus in physical forms. Further 10th Guru has clearly stated:

Dekhan aayo jagat tamasha........



 

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siqgur imilAY sdw mukqu hY, ijin ivchu mohu cukwieAw ]
Meeting the True Guru, eternal liberation is obtained; He has banished attachment from within.


In the above line the word 'True' has appeared as a pre-fix to Guru. I shall like to read True-Guru as the Lord Himself and not the SGGS .




I read it as Nanak, Lord, God, SGGS Ji, Satguru, GuruDev, Allthe same One and Only One.
 

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guru dwqw smrQu guru guru sB mih rihAw smwie ]

The Guru is the Giver, the Guru is All-powerful. The Guru is All-pervading, contained amongst all.


The above satar also signifies the One Almighty who is omnipresent and is omnipotent. This qualification cannot be applied to the other two types of Gurus i.e. SGGS and the 10 Gurus in physical forms. Further 10th Guru has clearly stated:

Dekhan aayo jagat tamasha........



I read it for all the same One-The Creator, For me there is no difference in Guru or Lord as Guru Himself has guided my thoughts in that direction.
1oth Nanak or 11th or 1st- All is the Same One ParamPurkh. May be some are in doubt that 11TH Guru is not watching this Jagat Tamasha.

He is right here,

in seen and unseen:yes:

The Guru is the Giver, the Guru is All-powerful. The Guru is All-pervading, contained amongst all.
 

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:idea:Guru, the Creator, Baba Ji, 11th Nanak, Satguru, Lord, Murari, Gobind, Hari, Lal, Khuda, Waheguru, Raam--- The same one and only one is called by many different names and He is performing and watching everything:idea:
 
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Can we prove the existence of God?

The existence of God cannot be proved in a scientific way by means of observation, experiment or other verification. This type of proof is possible only in the field of physical phenomena. There are two types of evidence, direct and indirect. Indirect proof is based on probabilities and circumstances. Criminals may be convicted on the basis of circumstatial evidence. Only the existence of God can be accepted on this basis or circumstantial evidence coupled with the testimony of saints and prophets.
God cannot be known through the five senses. Just as there is the electro-magnetic wave which cannot be seen, heard, tasted or touched yet it carries sound through the ether, in the same way, God's existence is inferred, though it cannot be demonstrated. You may as well ask the scientist to show you electric energy or magnetism.
Moreover, the personal testimony of saints who have realized God is acceptable as is the large percentage of our knowledge which comes to us second-hand. There is little that we know through the direct experience.
The existence of the universe and the design or pattern behind it make people feel that it could not "just have happened", that there is a Great Designer. Just as a big mansion cannot be built without a master-builder or architect, in the same way, the universe must have been created by a Master-Designer who we designate as God.
Our awareness of a moral sense within the individual is also a reflection of some moral order in the universe. We know that truth is better than a lie, love better than hate. Where did these beliefs come from? They are an indication of the Creator who requires respect for these values in life. The Sikh Gurus never felt the need to prove the existence of God. They regarded Him as everpresent, not in theory but in fact. Guru Nanak thought Him visible and manifest.
Modern scientists and thinkers have come to realize the existence of "A Power" or "the moving hand", which designs and controls the phenomena of nature. The pattern of the universe and the regularity of the laws behind its working confirm the belief that there is a "Lord of the universe"


Source: Jap JI Sahib-Paudi-1


1.Creative powers

kyqIAw qyrIAw kudrqI kyvf qyrI dwiq ] (18-1, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
You have so many Creative Powers, Lord; Your Bountiful Blessings are so Great.

kyqy qyry jIA jMq isPiq krih idnu rwiq ] (18-1, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
So many of Your beings and creatures praise You day and night.

kyqy qyry rUp rMg kyqy jwiq Ajwiq ]3] (18-2, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

You have so many forms and colors, so many classes, high and low. ||3||

scu imlY scu aUpjY sc mih swic smwie ] (18-2, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

Meeting the True One, Truth wells up. The truthful are absorbed into the True Lord.


These are only some of the attributes of The Lord, the Creator. These attributes are not within the Human reach or any who came in Human format.

 
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Is the God personal? According to Gurbani, yes. However, a formless God without attributes is nirguna and unknowable to human beings. Even the devas do not know His limits. Is the God impersonal and beyond form, thoughts and concepts where words cannot even be uttered? Yes.

But He is also a personal God which can be approached by us in prayer. Therefore He must have taken on a sargun aspect. So both views are correct. The God is nirgun and sargun.


ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥
jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||
Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.
~SGGS Ji p. 2




ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥
anth n jaapai keethaa aakaar ||
The limits of the created universe cannot be perceived.

ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰੁ ॥
anth n jaapai paaraavaar ||
Its limits here and beyond cannot be perceived.

ਅੰਤ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਬਿਲਲਾਹਿ ॥
anth kaaran kaethae bilalaahi ||
Many struggle to know His limits,

ਤਾ ਕੇ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਪਾਏ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
thaa kae anth n paaeae jaahi ||
but His limits cannot be found.

ਏਹੁ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
eaehu anth n jaanai koe ||
No one can know these limits.
~SGGS Ji p. 5



I've always read that Guruji fundamentally changed the Hindu definition of God from pantheism to strict monothesim. We can see embodied in the definition of Omkar/AUMkar is the Trimurti, the 3 principal Mahadevas: Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, plus "kar" (to create). And by placing the numeral 1 in front of the Omkara, Guruji defined a solely monothesistic (sargun) Creator God.

It's really a misunderstanding of Hinduism to believe that the 1 is in conflict with the Trimurti of the AUM and fighting for supremacy by negating them. The whole creation is subordinated, not negated. Ek Onkar is a perfectly balanced equation. It reads, "1 created the Om." And the Om embodies the entire sansaara, past, present and future. It is a powerfully mystical concept. The 1 is a literal "Oneness" which pervades and is existing within the creation, because the creation is incorporated, subsumed by it. The True face of creation is not this illusion of form. The creation IS the Creator. If your individual jeev is an illusion which disappears with mukti, then how can you be a creation?


Lila (Sanskrit: लीला), or Leela is a concept within Hinduism literally meaning "pastime", "sport" or "play". It is common to both monistic and dualistic philosophical schools, but has a markedly different significance in each. Within monism, Lila is a way of describing all reality, including the cosmos, as the outcome of creative play by the divine absolute (Brahman). In the dualistic schools of Vaishnavism, Lila more simply refers to the activities of God and his devotees, as distinct from the common activities of karma...

Lila is comparable to the Western theological position of Pandeism, which describes the Universe as God taking a physical form in order to experience the interplay between the elements of the Universe.
Lila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And remember, the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradya established by Mahaprabhu Chaitanya teaches a qualified Dvaita and accepts the Advaita of most other schools of Hinduism, and that is universe is illusion and everything is Brahman.



ਤੂੰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਜੀ ਹਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਮਾਣਾ ॥
thoon ghatt ghatt anthar sarab niranthar jee har eaeko purakh samaanaa ||
You are constant in each and every heart, and in all things. O Dear Lord, you are the One.

ਇਕਿ ਦਾਤੇ ਇਕਿ ਭੇਖਾਰੀ ਜੀ ਸਭਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣਾ ॥
eik dhaathae eik bhaekhaaree jee sabh thaerae choj viddaanaa ||
Some are givers, and some are beggars. This is all Your Wondrous Play.

ਤੂੰ ਆਪੇ ਦਾਤਾ ਆਪੇ ਭੁਗਤਾ ਜੀ ਹਉ ਤੁਧੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
thoon aapae dhaathaa aapae bhugathaa jee ho thudhh bin avar n jaanaa ||
You Yourself are the Giver, and You Yourself are the Enjoyer. I know no other than You.
~SGGS Ji p. 11



ਸਹਸ ਪਦ ਬਿਮਲ ਨਨ ਏਕ ਪਦ ਗੰਧ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਹਸ ਤਵ ਗੰਧ ਇਵ ਚਲਤ ਮੋਹੀ ॥੨॥
sehas padh bimal nan eaek padh gandhh bin sehas thav gandhh eiv chalath mohee ||2||
You have thousands of Lotus Feet, and yet You do not have even one foot. You have no nose, but you have thousands of noses. This Play of Yours entrances me. ||2||

ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸੋਇ ॥
sabh mehi joth joth hai soe ||
Amongst all is the Light-You are that Light.

ਤਿਸ ਦੈ ਚਾਨਣਿ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
this dhai chaanan sabh mehi chaanan hoe ||
By this Illumination, that Light is radiant within all.

ਗੁਰ ਸਾਖੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
gur saakhee joth paragatt hoe ||
Through the Guru's Teachings, the Light shines forth.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁ ਆਰਤੀ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
jo this bhaavai s aarathee hoe ||3||
That which is pleasing to Him is the lamp-lit worship service. ||3||
~SGGS Ji p. 13



Eko Brahman, Dwiteeyo Naasti.
(There is Brahman alone there is none other (than Brahman)
-Upanishads

aykaa aykankaaru|ikhi daykhaaliaa|
(By writing 1 (One) in the beginning, it has been shown that Ekankar, God, who subsumes all forms in Him is only one (and not two or three).
-Vaar 3 Pauri 15 of 20 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas


Subsume: "(From Latin subsumō.) "To include or place within something larger or more comprehensive : encompass as a subordinate or component element; contain or include." To place under another as belonging to it; to include or contain under something else."
Subsumed means incorporated, within, a part of. Nothing is excluded. How can we exclude the demi-gods from the sargun saroop of the Oneness who is Supreme when Gurbani didn't? There is only Oneness. All the jivs are part of the sansaaric world of three gunas and Maya which is all illusion. Behind the shadow of all forms is the Oneness. I'm not even going to say One anymore, because people think there's this One lone Abrahamic God waiting for all His children to get to heaven. No place. No time. No division. The deepest truth is we are the sargun saroop. Not our ego-identities. The light within us. Parabrahm Parameshvar. Some forms shine the light more than others because we live in a world of darkness. Saints are blessed because they shine light in darkness. Avtaars are an incredible brightness. They manifest the imperceivable nirguna to the sansaara. Without avtaaras, we could not have Shabad-Jyot of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Because Gurbani says Guruji was an avtaara of the Kaliyug.



ਕਬਿ ਕਲ ਸੁਜਸੁ ਗਾਵਉ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਮਾਣਿਓ ॥੩॥
kab kal sujas gaavo gur naanak raaj jog jin maaniou ||3||
KAL the poet sings the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Raja Yoga. ||3||

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਪਿਲਾਦਿ ਆਦਿ ਜੋਗੇਸੁਰ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਵਰੋ ॥
gaavehi kapilaadh aadh jogaesur aparanpar avathaar varo ||
Kapila and the other Yogis sing of Guru Nanak. He is the Avataar, the Incarnation of the Infinite Lord.
~SGGS Ji p. 1389



yatha hy avahito vahnir
darushv ekah sva-yonishu
naneva bhati visvatma
bhuteshu ca tatha puman
~Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.32

TRANSLATION
The Lord, as Supersoul, pervades all things, just as fire permeates wood, and so He appears to be of many varieties, though He is the absolute one without a second. Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 Verse 32


ekākṣara
ekâkṣará n. the sole imperishable thing AV. v, 28, 8
• a single syllable Subh.
• a monosyllabic word VS. ŚBr. RPrāt. &c
• the sacred monosyllable om Mn. ii, 83 MBh. &c
Monier-Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary -- e

Eko Brahman. Brahman = Om.
Ek Omkar/Oangkar. Brahman is one, not two or three.
"Kar" means to create.

The first words of Mool Mantra don't mean classical monotheism in the Abrahamic sense where the Supreme God is only personal (sarguna) but clearly from the very first word in Mool Mantra the Supreme God is both impersonal (nirgun) and subsumed into this all-pervading aspect of formless Oneness is the whole creation which is sarguna, including the devas and starting with the devas. It's clear that is written with authority of Sruti found in Upanishads, and not in any way contradicting. The definition of God is given in terms of qualified Advaitic philosophy that the many are actually the One, derivative of the One which subsumes all forms. Everything is the One. It's a qualified Advaitic philosophy because, as in Vaishnava Vedanta, Gurbani also worships a personal God who can be reached with words, perceived with constructs of form even if that form it takes is Shabad in words of Gurbani.

Older descriptions of the Aum in Vedas are the terms: Ek Ak Sara and Pranava. What do they mean which could give insight? The earliest term from the Rig Veda is Ekakshara. What could it mean? Since the term AUM is more recent description. And at once it becomes clear that not only was Guruji able to know the Vedas, He knew what even scholars did not know... the original defintions. And this shows Guruji was not rejecting revealed Truth, Sruti. But He was correcting errors of teaching and degeneration which had crept into religion, because the Dharma was no longer standing on all it's legs.

Ek Ak Sara : The imperishable Oneness that created and subsumes the Om.

The very Sanskrit definition of Ekaksara from the Rig Veda (1.164.39), is identical with Ek Onkar.

"praNava is the primal sound that existed before the creation and the sound that stays after the praLaya. This is the nAtharUpa - the Form of sound, of the Supreme Luminance. This mantra om refer to none other than God. The great yogis meditate in this mantra as the path to Eternal Bliss of the Formless Nameless God !
The praNava has five parts. They are akara, ukara, makara, bindhu, nAtham. (aum). Consequently this is also one of the glorious panchAkshara mantra.

Pranava Mantra (Aum/ Om Sanskrit) - Scriptural Explanation

And it's from the definition of Pranava (“pronouncing”), another older term for AUMkar, and we see the origin of the anehadh Naad. Without the Omkar, there would be no Naad. And there would be no Shabad. And there would be no Naam. So Onkar MUST be Omkar. It cannot be anything else but the universal sound which is the voice of nirguna vibrating into sarguna and causing creation. AUM is creative, preserving and destroying principle. It is an entire system which renews itself. AUM is the Naad.

"In the case of the mantric om, this monosyllable came to represent the ultimate One, which is eternally unchanging (akshara, acala). The term akshara is used as a synonym for om in many scriptures, including the Bhagavad-Gîtâ (10.25), which has Krishna say, “Of utterances I am the single syllable.”

...For the Taittirîya-Samhitâ (5.2.8), which is appended to the Yajur-Veda, still cryptically speaks of the “divine sign” (deva-lakshana) that is written threefold (try-alikhita). Some scholars have seen this as a reference to the three constituent parts of the syllable om, as written in Sanskrit: a + u + m. The three constituents of om are referred to, for instance, in the Prashna-Upanishad (5.5)...

Even the early Upanishads (which have recently been dated back to the second millennium B.C.) often still refer to it only indirectly as the udgîtha (“up sound”) and the pranava (“pronouncing”). The former word hints at the nasalized way in which om is sounded out, with the sound vibrating at the psychoenergetic center located between and behind the eyebrows (i.e., the âjnâ-cakra). The term pranava is derived from the prefix pra (etymologically related to the Latin “pro”) and the stem nava (derived from the verbal root nu meaning “to call out” and “to exult”). It is used, for instance, in the Yoga-Sûtra (1.27), where it is called the symbol (vâcaka) of the Lord (îshvara). Patanjali further states (in 1.28) that in order to realize the mystery of the Lord, the om sound should be recited and contemplated.

Another, later term for om is târa, which is derived from the verbal root trî, meaning “to cross, traverse.” This is a reference to the liberating function of the om sound, which safely transports the yogin across the ocean of existence (bhava-sâra) to the “other shore.”


The most important part is the nasalized “half-part” sound m, which brings its own illumination and causes the life force (prâna) in the body to rush upward into the head. This Upanishad further states that the om sound is called om-kâra because it sends the currents of the life force upward (ûrdhvam utkrâmayati) and that it is called pranava because it makes all the life currents bow down (pranâmayati) before it. The text concludes by stating that the om sound is Shiva.

Interestingly, in Tantra-Yoga, the serpent power (kundalinî-shakti) resting in the psychoenergetic center at the base of the spine, is said to be coiled up three and a half times. Very likely, this captures the same idea as in the notion of the three and a half units of the om sound...

The Amrita-Nâda-Upanishad (2ff.) recommends that one should mount the “chariot of the om sound,” make Vishnu one’s charioteer, and steer steadily toward the ultimate Reality. As one approaches the supreme Self, one should abandon the chariot and enter the splendor of the Self by means of the unsounded letter m. This is the silent, subtle part of om.

This Upanishad prescribes breath control, especially retention of the breath, as a means of controlling the senses and focusing the mind upon the inner world. It defines Yoga as the state of restraint over a period of twelve units or measures (mâtrâ), that is, twelve recitations of om.
The Sacred Syllable OM - The Meaning of OM - Yoga & Beauty Tips from The Yoga Sanctuary

Amrit Naad Upanishad.
Guruji's philosophy and path to mukti comes from the Upanishads.



ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਏ ਵੀਚਾਰਾ ॥
sathigur thae paaeae veechaaraa ||
From the True Guru, contemplative meditation is obtained.

ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਚੇ ਘਰ ਬਾਰਾ ॥
sunn samaadhh sachae ghar baaraa ||
And then, one dwells with the True Lord in His celestial home, the Primal State of Absorption in Deepest Samaadhi.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਨਾਦੁ ਸਬਦ ਧੁਨਿ ਸਚੁ ਰਾਮੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੭॥੫॥੧੭॥
naanak niramal naadh sabadh dhhun sach raamai naam samaaeidhaa ||17||5||17||
O Nanak, the immaculate sound current of the Naad, and the Music of the Shabad resound; one merges into the True Name of the Lord. ||17||5||17||
~SGGS Ji p. 1038



ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਅਨਹਤ ਤਹ ਨਾਦ ॥
sunn samaadhh anehath theh naadh ||
The Deepest Samaadhi, and the unstruck sound current of the Naad are there.

ਕਹਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਅਚਰਜ ਬਿਸਮਾਦ ॥
kehan n jaaee acharaj bisamaadh ||
The wonder and marvel of it cannot be described.
~SGGS Ji p. 293




ਨਉ ਦਰਵਾਜੇ ਦਸਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦੁ ਵਜਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੩॥
no dharavaajae dhasavai mukathaa anehadh sabadh vajaavaniaa ||3||
Beyond the nine gates, the Tenth Gate is found, and liberation is obtained. The Unstruck Melody of the Shabad vibrates. ||3||
~SGGS Ji p. 110


Here we see that the anehadh Shabad is from the Naad.


ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਬਦੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਣੀ ॥
anmrith sabadh anmrith har baanee ||
The Shabad is Amrit; the Lord's Bani is Amrit.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਸੇਵਿਐ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥
sathigur saeviai ridhai samaanee ||
Serving the True Guru, it permeates the heart.
~SGGS Ji p. 119


The anehad Naad vibrates from the nirguna, the anehad Shabad comes from the anehad Naad. Amrit comes from the Shabad. That is the relationship.


Panch Ak'Shara Mantra:
"praNava is the primal sound that existed before the creation and the sound that stays after the praLaya. This is the nAtharUpa - the Form of sound, of the Supreme Luminance. This mantra om refer to none other than God. The great yogis meditate in this mantra as the path to Eternal Bliss of the Formless Nameless God !

The praNava has five parts. They are akara, ukara, makara, bindhu, nAtham. (aum). Consequently this is also one of the glorious panchAkshara mantra.
Pranava Mantra (Aum/ Om Sanskrit) - Scriptural Explanation


Eko Brahman. Eko Omkar.
Unfortunately in the Abrahamized West there are real misunderstandings as to the definitions of God. For example, probably no religious beliefs have been more abused or reviled than Hinduism by missionaries of every stripe seeking to prove pantheism is mythological and therefore false, and trying to prove their version of God is superior to all the gods of Hindu religion.

With this backdrop, most Sikhs are now trying to do the same thing. So it isn't unusual to hear someone say the numeral 1 cancelled out the other 3, or that Oangkar isn't the same thing as Omkar and thus has no relationship to AUM. And if you ask these people to explain the concept of the Naad and Shabad... they can't. And the reason they can't, is they just negated the concept of Naad by eliminating the AUM.


ਪੰਚ ਸਬਦ ਤਹ ਪੂਰਨ ਨਾਦ ॥
panch sabadh theh pooran naadh ||
The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, echo the perfect sound current of the Naad.

ਅਨਹਦ ਬਾਜੇ ਅਚਰਜ ਬਿਸਮਾਦ ॥
anehadh baajae acharaj bisamaadh ||
The wondrous, amazing unstruck melody vibrates.
~SGGS Ji p. 888


The Panch Parmeshthi of the Jain Omkar. "This Aum of Sanskrit is made up of five alphabets - a + a + ā + u + m = Aum"
Pranava-naada (-naadha). "Primal sound of God. Sound of Om."



ਗੁਨਨਾਦਧੁਨਿਅਨੰਦਬੇਦ॥
gun naadh dhhun anandh baedh ||
The Glory of God is the Sound-current of the Naad, the Celestial Music of Bliss, and the Wisdom of the Vedas.
~SGGS Ji p. 1322


~Bhul chak maaf karni ji
 
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Attributes Of The Creator

The following are some of other attributes of the Creator , the almighty as is sung by The First Nanak. He ,admittedly, stated that He cannot state anything more than this even though he knows/seen/met HIM yet HE is beyond description.Infact, Guru Sahib have emphasized that he is beyond description as he is unfathomable and cannot be seen.

We are in this thread are trying to establish the meaning of the term Guru as it has appeared in Granth sahib ji. Kindly refer post -1.



siq suhwxu sdw min cwau ] (4-16, jpu, mÚ 1)/

He is Beautiful, True and Eternally Joyful.

kvxu su vylw vKqu kvxu kvx iQiq kvxu vwru ] (4-16, jpu, mÚ 1)
What was that time, and what was that moment? What was that day, and what was that date?

kvix is ruqI mwhu kvxu ijqu hoAw Awkwru ] (4-17, jpu, mÚ 1)

What was that season, and what was that month, when the Universe was created?

vyl n pweIAw pMfqI ij hovY lyKu purwxu ] (4-17, jpu, mÚ 1)

The Pandits, the religious scholars, cannot find that time, even if it is written in the Puraanas.

vKqu n pwieE kwdIAw ij ilKin lyKu kurwxu ] (4-18, jpu, mÚ 1)
That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.

iQiq vwru nw jogI jwxY ruiq mwhu nw koeI ] (4-18, jpu, mÚ 1)

The day and the date are not known to the Yogis, nor is the month or the season.

jw krqw isrTI kau swjy Awpy jwxY soeI ] (4-19, jpu, mÚ 1)

The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows.

ikv kir AwKw ikv swlwhI ikau vrnI ikv jwxw ] (4-19, jpu, mÚ 1)
How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How can we know Him?

AMqu n jwpY kIqw Awkwru ] (5-8, jpu, mÚ 1)
The limits of the created universe cannot be perceived.
AMqu n jwpY pwrwvwru ] (5-8, jpu, mÚ 1)
Its limits here and beyond cannot be perceived.
AMq kwrix kyqy ibllwih ] (5-8, jpu, mÚ 1)
Many struggle to know His limits,

qw ky AMq n pwey jwih ] (5-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
but His limits cannot be found.
eyhu AMqu n jwxY koie ] (5-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
No one can know these limits.
bhuqw khIAY bhuqw hoie ] (5-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
The more you say about them, the more there still remains to be said.

vfw swihbu aUcw Qwau ] (5-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

Great is the Master, High is His Heavenly Home.

aUcy aupir aUcw nwau ] (5-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

Highest of the High, above all is His Name.

eyvfu aUcw hovY koie ] (5-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

Only one as Great and as High as God

iqsu aUcy kau jwxY soie ] (5-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

can know His Lofty and Exalted State.

jyvfu Awip jwxY Awip Awip ] (5-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

Only He Himself is that Great. He Himself knows Himself.

nwnk ndrI krmI dwiq ]24] (5-11, jpu, mÚ 1)

O Nanak, by His Glance of Grace, He bestows His Blessings. ||24||

Awpy jwxY Awpy dyie ] (5-14, jpu, mÚ 1)
He Himself knows, He Himself gives.

AwKih is iB kyeI kyie ] (5-15, jpu, mÚ 1)

Few, very few are those who acknowledge this.

ijs no bKsy isPiq swlwh ] (5-15, jpu, mÚ 1)

One who is blessed to sing the Praises of the Lord,

hY BI hosI jwie n jwsI rcnw ijin rcweI ] (6-13, jpu, mÚ 1)
He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

rMgI rMgI BwqI kir kir ijnsI mwieAw ijin aupweI ] (6-14, jpu, mÚ 1)
He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

kir kir vyKY kIqw Awpxw ijv iqs dI vifAweI ] (6-14, jpu, mÚ 1)

Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

jo iqsu BwvY soeI krsI hukmu n krxw jweI ] (6-15, jpu, mÚ 1)

He does whatever He pleases. No order can be issued to Him.

so pwiqswhu swhw pwiqswihbu nwnk rhxu rjweI ]27] (6-15, jpu, mÚ 1)
He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||27||

AwKix joru cupY nh joru ] (7-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

No power to speak, no power to keep silent.

joru n mMgix dyix n joru ] (7-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

No power to beg, no power to give.

joru n jIvix mrix nh joru ] (7-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
No power to live, no power to die.

joru n rwij mwil min soru ] (7-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.

joru n surqI igAwin vIcwir ] (7-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

No power to gain intuitive understanding, spiritual wisdom and meditation.

joru n jugqI CutY sMswru ] (7-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

No power to find the way to escape from the world.

ijsu hiQ joru kir vyKY soie ] (7-10, jpu, mÚ 1)
He alone has the Power in His Hands. He watches over all.

nwnk auqmu nIcu n koie ]33] (7-11, jpu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, no one is high or low. ||33||
 
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kyqIAw qyrIAw kudrqI kyvf qyrI dwiq ] (18-1, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

You have so many Creative Powers, Lord; Your Bountiful Blessings are so Great.

kyqy qyry jIA jMq isPiq krih idnu rwiq ] (18-1, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

So many of Your beings and creatures praise You day and night.

kyqy qyry rUp rMg kyqy jwiq Ajwiq ]3] (18-2, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

You have so many forms and colors, so many classes, high and low. ||3||

scu imlY scu aUpjY sc mih swic smwie ] (18-2, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

Meeting the True One, Truth wells up. The truthful are absorbed into the True Lord.


The creative potency Of The Lord is touched and spoken of by Guru nanak dev ji .He has been addressed as True Lord/Lord.Thus Lord here signifies The Almighty.



 

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ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ik oankaar sathigur prasaadh ||
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:


ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਸਗਲੋ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥
eaek roop sagalo paasaaraa ||
The entire Universe is the form of the One Lord.


ਆਪੇ ਬਨਜੁ ਆਪਿ ਬਿਉਹਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
aapae banaj aap biouhaaraa ||1||
He Himself is the trade, and He Himself is the trader. ||1||


ਐਸੋ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਬਿਰਲੋ ਈ ਪਾਏ ॥
aiso giaan biralo ee paaeae ||
How rare is that one who is blessed with such spiritual wisdom.


ਜਤ ਜਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਤ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਾਏ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
jath jath jaaeeai thath dhrisattaaeae ||1|| rehaao ||
Wherever I go, there I see Him. ||1||Pause||


ਅਨਿਕ ਰੰਗ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਇਕ ਰੰਗਾ ॥
anik rang niragun eik rangaa ||
He manifests many forms, while still unmanifest and absolute, and yet He has One Form.


ਆਪੇ ਜਲੁ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਤਰੰਗਾ ॥੨॥
aapae jal aap hee tharangaa ||2||
He Himself is the water, and He Himself is the waves. ||2||


ਆਪ ਹੀ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਆਪਹਿ ਸੇਵਾ ॥
aap hee mandhar aapehi saevaa ||
He Himself is the temple, and He Himself is selfless service.


ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪੂਜਾਰੀ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਦੇਵਾ ॥੩॥
aap hee poojaaree aap hee dhaevaa ||3||
He Himself is the worshipper, and He Himself is the idol. ||3||


ਆਪਹਿ ਜੋਗ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਜੁਗਤਾ ॥
aapehi jog aap hee jugathaa ||
He Himself is the Yoga; He Himself is the Way.


ਨਾਨਕ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਦ ਹੀ ਮੁਕਤਾ ॥੪॥੧॥੬॥
naanak kae prabh sadh hee mukathaa ||4||1||6||
Nanak's God is forever liberated. ||4||1||6||
 

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Guru Ji says:

gUjrI mhlw 5 ]
hY nwhI koaU bUJnhwro jwnY kvnu Bqw ]
isv ibrMic Aru sgl moin jn gih n skwih gqw ]1]
pRB kI Agm AgwiD kQw ]
sunIAY Avr Avr ibiD buJIAY bkn kQn rhqw ]1] rhwau ]
Awpy Bgqw Awip suAwmI Awpn sMig rqw ]
nwnk ko pRBu pUir rihE hY pyiKE jqR kqw ]2]2]11]


gUjrI mhlw 5 ]
hY nwhI koaU bUJnhwro jwnY kvnu Bqw ]
isv ibrMic Aru sgl moin jn gih n skwih gqw ]1]
pRB kI Agm AgwiD kQw ]
sunIAY Avr Avr ibiD buJIAY bkn kQn rhqw ]1] rhwau ]
Awpy Bgqw Awip suAwmI Awpn sMig rqw ]
nwnk ko pRBu pUir rihE hY pyiKE jqR kqw ]2]2]11]



Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:
No one understands the Lord; who can understand His plans?
Shiva, Brahma and all the silent sages cannot understand the state of the Lord. ||1||
God's sermon is profound and unfathomable.
He is heard to be one thing, but He is understood to be something else again; He is beyond description and explanation. ||1||Pause||
He Himself is the devotee, and He Himself is the Lord and Master; He is imbued with Himself.
Nanak's God is pervading and permeating everywhere; wherever he looks, He is there. ||2||2||11||
 
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A person who is eulogising the Lord,surely, cannot be the Lord Himself. It is a matter of sheer common sense.

But it goes against the human logic. We are eulogizing the Lord because He exists. The Lord Himself is all that exists. The Lord IS eulogizing Himself through the forms of creation. This is His design. It is God's play.



ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥੮॥
sath saach sree nivaas aadh purakh sadhaa thuhee vaahiguroo vaahiguroo vaahiguroo vaahi jeeo ||3||8||
You are forever True, the Home of Excellence, the Primal Supreme Being. Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o. ||3||8||

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਬਿੰਦ ਜੀਉ ॥
sathiguroo sathiguroo sathigur gubindh jeeo ||
The True Guru, the True Guru, the True Guru is the Lord of the Universe Himself.

ਬਲਿਹਿ ਛਲਨ ਸਬਲ ਮਲਨ ਭਗ੍ਤਿ ਫਲਨ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕੁਅਰ ਨਿਹਕਲੰਕ ਬਜੀ ਡੰਕ ਚੜ੍ਹੂ ਦਲ ਰਵਿੰਦ ਜੀਉ ॥
balihi shhalan sabal malan bhagio falan kaanh kuar nihakalank bajee ddank charrhoo dhal ravindh jeeo ||
Enticer of Baliraja, who smothers the mighty, and fulfills the devotees; the Prince Krishna, and Kalki; the thunder of His army and the beat of His drum echoes across the Universe.

ਰਾਮ ਰਵਣ ਦੁਰਤ ਦਵਣ ਸਕਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੁਸਲ ਕਰਣ ਸਰਬ ਭੂਤ ਆਪਿ ਹੀ ਦੇਵਾਧਿ ਦੇਵ ਸਹਸ ਮੁਖ ਫਨਿੰਦ ਜੀਉ ॥
raam ravan dhurath dhavan sakal bhavan kusal karan sarab bhooth aap hee dhaevaadhh dhaev sehas mukh fanindh jeeo ||
The Lord of contemplation, Destroyer of sin, who brings pleasure to the beings of all realms, He Himself is the God of gods, Divinity of the divine, the thousand-headed king cobra.

ਜਰਮ ਕਰਮ ਮਛ ਕਛ ਹੁਅ ਬਰਾਹ ਜਮੁਨਾ ਕੈ ਕੂਲਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਖੇਲਿਓ ਜਿਨਿ ਗਿੰਦ ਜੀਉ ॥
jaram karam mashh kashh hua baraah jamunaa kai kool khael khaeliou jin gindh jeeo ||
He took birth in the Incarnations of the Fish, Tortoise and Wild Boar, and played His part. He played games on the banks of the Jamunaa River.

ਨਾਮੁ ਸਾਰੁ ਹੀਏ ਧਾਰੁ ਤਜੁ ਬਿਕਾਰੁ ਮਨ ਗਯੰਦ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਗੁਬਿੰਦ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੯॥
naam saar heeeae dhhaar thaj bikaar man gayandh sathiguroo sathiguroo sathigur gubindh jeeo ||4||9||
Enshrine this most excellent Name within your heart, and renounce the wickedness of the mind, O Gayand the True Guru, the True Guru, the True Guru is the Lord of the Universe Himself. ||4||9||

ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਤਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
siree guroo siree guroo siree guroo sath jeeo ||
The Supreme Guru, the Supreme Guru, the Supreme Guru, the True, Dear Lord.

ਗੁਰ ਕਹਿਆ ਮਾਨੁ ਨਿਜ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਨੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਇਹੈ ਨਿਸਿ ਬਾਸੁਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੁ ਲਹਹਿ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
gur kehiaa maan nij nidhhaan sach jaan manthra eihai nis baasur hoe kalyaan lehehi param gath jeeo ||
Respect and obey the Guru's Word; this is your own personal treasure - know this mantra as true. Night and day, you shall be saved, and blessed with the supreme status.
~SGGS Ji p. 1403


How can the Uncreated take birth? Gurbani says this in many places. The world is illusion. True Reality is there is only the God, nirgun and sargun.



ਸਭ ਇਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਵਰਤੈ ਭਿਨਿ ਭਿਨਿ ਨ ਰਲਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਦੀ ਰਲਾਈਆ ॥
sabh eikaa joth varathai bhin bhin n ralee kisai dhee ralaaeeaa ||
The One Light pervades all the many and various beings. This Light intermingles with them, but it is not diluted or obscured.
~SGGS Ji p. 96


If the Jyot of God is not changed by pervading within all forms, and our forms are dying. Ultimately what are we? Are we the body? No. Are we the human brain? No. So what exactly are we anyway? Ego? Mind? Consciousness? Karam? The jeevatman? And if we believe Gurbani we know mukti means we will merge into the Jyot of God. We won't take our karma and ego. All we will take is purified consciousness which is Light. But it will be a Turiya consciousness, not even this shallow personality we think is who we are. So the Light and Sound exist as one thing in higher dimensions. The Light is singing praise of It's Glory. Maybe that's the best human speech can describe of the indescribable. But mukti and merging won't have anything to do with our perception of being a person. Because ultimately we aren't a person. Haven't we been born in other forms as well? So something of the indestructible and Uncreated persists in us from form to form.


~Bhul chak maaf
 

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Dear Members,

So far we've discussed in theory and definitions of what Guru is. Can somebody explain in simple, un-complicated way why we must have a guru ? To get to heaven, salvation, peace of mind, untold joy, happiness, etc. But why is it that I always feel unsatisfied at the end of the day ?

Who is to tell for sure that we are treading the right path ?
Are we following what is written in SGGS ?
Or are we just to continue reading SGGS for the rest of our lives.
Who is to tell that we are not to follow a living master - is SGPC the final authority of akaal purukh ?
What if, what we believe to be true isn't the truth; what if our beliefs are not in line with Guru's teachings ?
 

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Sikh 80 ji,
Here is that Hukamnama with translation possibly close to Guru Message, let’s first read it.
ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਮਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਏ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਏ
Sūhī mehlā 4. Har kirpā karė man har rang lā*ė. Gurmukẖ har har nām samā*ė. ||1||
When the Lord shows His mercy, person’s mind is imbued with His love, true Guru follower merges in Lord’s Name.( it is a state of mind)
ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਮਨੁ ਰੰਗ ਮਾਣੇ ਸਦਾ ਅਨੰਦਿ ਰਹੈ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਤੀ ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਣੇ ਰਹਾਉ
Har rang rāṯā man rang māṇė. Saḏā anand rahai ḏin rāṯī pūrė gur kai sabaḏ samāṇė. ||1|| rahā*o.
Being imbued with love of Lord, the person enjoys spiritual bliss. Always, day and and night, remains enveloped in happiness as such person totally get tuned to perfect Guru’s teachings ( Gurbani). Pause.
ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗ ਕਉ ਲੋਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰੰਗੁ ਚਲੂਲਾ ਹੋਈ
Har rang ka*o locẖai sabẖ ko*ī. Gurmukẖ rang cẖalūlā ho*ī. ||2||
All do long for the love of Lord; however only through Guru’s refuge, one can be imbued perfectly with love of Lord.( in Punjabi we say “ kis da rang char gya tainu” its used to express influence; when own self disappears only then Lord’s color and Guru color glows to be noticed)
ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਮੁਗਧੁ ਨਰੁ ਕੋਰਾ ਹੋਇ ਜੇ ਸਉ ਲੋਚੈ ਰੰਗੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੋਇ
Manmukẖ mugaḏẖ nar korā ho*ė. [/FONT]Jė sa*o locẖai rang na hovai ko*ė. ||3||
[/FONT] The stupid self centered person remains unmoved, the fact is this, even if such people longs hundred times for that love (state of mind), gets not that love of Lord. Why, because then ego guides and, Guru Teachings are ignored; so chance of getting His love disappears.
ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਤਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਰਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ
Naḏar karė ṯā saṯgur pāvai. Nānak har ras har rang samāvai. ||4||2||6||
If the Lord Himself shows mercy only then people meet with the True Guru. Guru ji says only then they get absorbed in the divine elixir of Lord’s Lord. Here very Clearly Guru ji Hints about importance of Guru Teachings to have His grace eventually. Even meeting True Guru also depends upon His “ Nadr” Remember also Guru enables us to find Him within through a “Gur”= knowledge / way out of finding HIM within.

Sikh 80 ji,
To answer your question, let’s go through the whole Shabad. Guru ji starts this Shabad with a vital need of Lord’s grace, with that nothing happens for sure, it is stated in the first Guru vaak, see the translation. Then Guru ji states who follow Guru, remain in love with the Lord. After importance of His grace, importance of Guru is hinted at as well. In next Vaak, it is a description of state of mind of that person who follows Guru Teachings and remains absorbed in it. Then in the next Vaak, Guru ji states that every body says and longs for Love of Lord, only Gurmukh, means who takes refuge in Guru teachings and live accordingly understand the Lord and remains imbued with His love. Then Guru ji talks about those who are self centered egoist who only desire but cannot obtain that love of Lord because they do follow their mind but not the Guru , so merely desiring Him, doesn’t help. In the last Vaak, Guru ji makes it very clear again that His grace is very vital, if He bestows with His grace, the person meets the real True Guru. Here Guru is not used for Lord but for Guru who sculptures the mind of the follower to get observed in the love of Lord. Deciphering other meanings will negate the importance of two vital needs for realization of Lord- His Grace and need of Guru.
Lastly, if you don’t mind, let me say, your following statement is not true if it is understood in complete Shabad context, here Guru is again medium, Guru Ghar means Guru’s Sangat where Guru speaks, today when we study Guru Granth Sahib ji that is Guru Sangat, Gurdawara, it is through Guru that we know Name and we [/FONT]
follow Guru Teaching to obtain Name. So it again stands for Guru, the medium (your quote)
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gur duAwrY nwau pweIAY ibnu siqgur plY n pwie ] (1015-17, mwrU, mÚ 1)
Through the Guru's Gate, the Gurdwara, the Name is obtained. Without the True Guru, it is not received.

In this case True Guru would stand for the Lord HImself as HE blesses us with naam.[/FONT]

Your Efforts to understand Gurbani are praisworthy.It inspires others to contemplate on Gurbani seriously.
 

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Guru Ji says:

hY nwhI koaU bUJnhwro jwnY kvnu Bqw ]
isv ibrMic Aru sgl moin jn gih n skwih gqw ]1]
pRB kI Agm AgwiD kQw ]
sunIAY Avr Avr ibiD buJIAY bkn kQn rhqw ]1] rhwau ]
Awpy Bgqw Awip suAwmI Awpn sMig rqw ]
nwnk ko pRBu pUir rihE hY pyiKE jqR kqw ]2]2]11]


Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:
No one understands the Lord; who can understand His plans?
Shiva, Brahma and all the silent sages cannot understand the state of the Lord. ||1||
God's sermon is profound and unfathomable.
He is heard to be one thing, but He is understood to be something else again; He is beyond description and explanation. ||1||Pause||
He Himself is the devotee, and He Himself is the Lord and Master; He is imbued with Himself.
Nanak's God is pervading and permeating everywhere; wherever he looks, He is there. ||2||2||11||


More Gurprasaad:

ਥਾਪਿਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਕੀਤਾ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
thhaapiaa n jaae keethaa n hoe ||
He cannot be established, He cannot be created.


ਆਪੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
aapae aap niranjan soe ||
He Himself is Immaculate and Pure.


ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
jin saeviaa thin paaeiaa maan ||
Those who serve Him are honored.


ਨਾਨਕ ਗਾਵੀਐ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥
naanak gaaveeai gunee nidhhaan ||
O Nanak, sing of the Lord, the Treasure of Excellence.


ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥
gaaveeai suneeai man rakheeai bhaao ||
Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love.


ਦੁਖੁ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥
dhukh parehar sukh ghar lai jaae ||
Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home.


ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||
The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.


ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥
gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee ||
The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.


ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥
jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||
Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.


ਗੁਰਾ ਇਕ ਦੇਹਿ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥
guraa eik dhaehi bujhaaee ||
The Guru has given me this one understanding:


ਸਭਨਾ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਇਕੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸੋ ਮੈ ਵਿਸਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੫॥
sabhanaa jeeaa kaa eik dhaathaa so mai visar n jaaee ||5||
there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him! ||5||


Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji :page 2:SearchGurbani.com ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ

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pk70

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( Quote namjap ji)Dear Members,

So far we've discussed in theory and definitions of what Guru is. Can somebody explain in simple, un-complicated way why we must have a guru ? To get to heaven, salvation, peace of mind, untold joy, happiness, etc. But why is it that I always feel unsatisfied at the end of the day ?

Who is to tell for sure that we are treading the right path ?
First of all, namjap ji, members are not able to lead you, the academic muscles seldom enables any one to walk on path you long for. Understanding Gurbani and moulding your soul accordingly, is the initial effort at your command.
Are we following what is written in SGGS ?
That should be our check out measure every day, falls will occur, correction will follow and why it happened will be exposed every day in mind.
Or are we just to continue reading SGGS for the rest of our lives.
Reading Guru Granth Sahib ji for the rest of life is not wastage, it should be continued provided Guru teachings are strictly practiced as being your own boss to watch; Gurbani reading will refresh your spirit , surprisingly every time you read, new depth of spirituality will be introduced to you, it is matter of a time.
Who is to tell that we are not to follow a living master - is SGPC the final authority of akaal purukh ?
" Pir Sang mutharie.." so you dont worry about SGPC, only your concern is sculpturing of your soul as per Guru teaching with high gravity of sincerity.
What if, what we believe to be true isn't the truth; what if our beliefs are not in line with Guru's teachings ?
Remember the first thing I mentioned, checking out the progress you have tried, that will make you aware of this doubt. Remember, falling in love is natural, our goal to fall in love with HIM,should be also natural; as long as million trivial questions keep worrying us, if drums are not beaten in Harmony and preparation is not complete( Sunat sandesro Pria ghar sej vichhaee..), end of the day, unsatisfsaction will be felt. We preach to others but rarely point finger on ourselves to realize we are not even qualify to teach others. Good luck brother:)
 

Honey22

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Sadeepuri Ji,
Following Guru Vaak about understanding and all that:

<> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ]
rwgu goNf caupdy mhlw 4 Gru 1 ]
jy min iciq Aws rKih hir aUpir qw mn icMdy Anyk Anyk Pl pweI ]
hir jwxY sBu ikCu jo jIie vrqY pRBu GwilAw iksY kw ieku iqlu n gvweI ]
hir iqs kI Aws kIjY mn myry jo sB mih suAwmI rihAw smweI ]1]
myry mn Awsw kir jgdIs gusweI ]
jo ibnu hir Aws Avr kwhU kI kIjY sw inhPl Aws sB ibrQI jweI ]1] rhwau ]
jo dIsY mwieAw moh kutMbu sBu mq iqs kI Aws lig jnmu gvweI ]
ien@ kY ikCu hwiQ nhI khw krih ieih bpuVy ien@ kw vwihAw kCu n vsweI ]
myry mn Aws kir hir pRIqm Apuny kI jo quJu qwrY qyrw kutMbu sBu CfweI ]2]
jy ikCu Aws Avr krih primqRI mq qUM jwxih qyrY ikqY kMim AweI ]
ieh Aws primqRI Bwau dUjw hY iKn mih JUTu ibnis sB jweI ]
myry mn Awsw kir hir pRIqm swcy kI jo qyrw GwilAw sBu Qwie pweI ]3]
Awsw mnsw sB qyrI myry suAwmI jYsI qU Aws krwvih qYsI ko Aws krweI ]
ikCu iksI kY hiQ nwhI myry suAwmI AYsI myrY siqguir bUJ buJweI ]
jn nwnk kI Aws qU jwxih hir drsnu dyiK hir drsin iqRpqweI ]4]1]


<> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ]
rwgu goNf caupdy mhlw 4 Gru 1 ]
jy min iciq Aws rKih hir aUpir qw mn icMdy Anyk Anyk Pl pweI ]
hir jwxY sBu ikCu jo jIie vrqY pRBu GwilAw iksY kw ieku iqlu n gvweI ]
hir iqs kI Aws kIjY mn myry jo sB mih suAwmI rihAw smweI ]1]
myry mn Awsw kir jgdIs gusweI ]
jo ibnu hir Aws Avr kwhU kI kIjY sw inhPl Aws sB ibrQI jweI ]1] rhwau ]
jo dIsY mwieAw moh kutMbu sBu mq iqs kI Aws lig jnmu gvweI ]
ien@ kY ikCu hwiQ nhI khw krih ieih bpuVy ien@ kw vwihAw kCu n vsweI ]
myry mn Aws kir hir pRIqm Apuny kI jo quJu qwrY qyrw kutMbu sBu CfweI ]2]
jy ikCu Aws Avr krih primqRI mq qUM jwxih qyrY ikqY kMim AweI ]
ieh Aws primqRI Bwau dUjw hY iKn mih JUTu ibnis sB jweI ]
myry mn Awsw kir hir pRIqm swcy kI jo qyrw GwilAw sBu Qwie pweI ]3]
Awsw mnsw sB qyrI myry suAwmI jYsI qU Aws krwvih qYsI ko Aws krweI ]
ikCu iksI kY hiQ nwhI myry suAwmI AYsI myrY siqguir bUJ buJweI ]
jn nwnk kI Aws qU jwxih hir drsnu dyiK hir drsin iqRpqweI ]4]1]



One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying. Beyond Birth. Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace:
Raag Gond, Chau-Padas, Fourth Mehl, First House:
If, in his conscious mind, he places his hopes in the Lord, then he shall obtain the fruits of all the many desires of his mind.
The Lord knows everything which happens to the soul. Not even an iota of one's effort goes to waste.
Place your hopes in the Lord, O my mind; the Lord and Master is pervading and permeating all. ||1||
O my mind, place your hopes in the Lord of the World, the Master of the Universe.
That hope which is placed in any other than the Lord - that hope is fruitless, and totally useless. ||1||Pause||
That which you can see, Maya, and all attachment to family - don't place your hopes in them, or your life will be wasted and lost.
Nothing is in their hands; what can these poor creatures do? By their actions, nothing can be done.
O my mind, place your hopes in the Lord, your Beloved, who shall carry you across, and save your whole family as well. ||2||
If you place your hopes in any other, in any friend other than the Lord, then you shall come to know that it is of no use at all.
This hope placed in other friends comes from the love of duality. In an instant, it is gone; it is totally false.
O my mind, place your hopes in the Lord, your True Beloved, who shall approve and reward you for all your efforts. ||3||
Hope and desire are all Yours, O my Lord and Master. As You inspire hope, so are the hopes held.
Nothing is in the hands of anyone, O my Lord and Master; such is the understanding the True Guru has given me to understand.
You alone know the hope of servant Nanak, O Lord; gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan, he is satisfied. ||4||1||
Gurbani Panna # 860
English Translations- SikhiToTheMax
 
Oct 14, 2007
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The quest to assign the meaning to the term 'Guru' as it appears in Granth Sahib shall be on and will be taken up as and when the need arises.

It is individual's understanding only.

I am specially thankful to honey22 and harsimransingh and sadeepuree etc.,harjas kaur khalsa and other friends for participating and I hope that continued guidance would be available from namjap and pk70 ji.



However, it is my firm belief that Guru nanak was not God;the Creator.
 
Oct 14, 2007
3,369
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Sachkhand
ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰਾਲਮੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਮ ਗਿਆਨਾ ਜੋ ਦੀਸੈ ਤੁਝ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਭਿਖਿਆ ਦਰਿ ਜਾਚੈ ਮੈ ਦੀਜੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਡਾਈ ਹੇ ॥੧੬॥੧॥ [ang 1021]


He Himself is immaculate; by contact with the Guru, spiritual wisdom is obtained. Whatever is seen, shall merge into You. Nanak, the lowly, begs for charity at Your Door; please, bless him with the glorious greatness of Your Name. ||16||1||

ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ! (ਇਤਨਾ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਜਗਤ ਰਚ ਕੇ) ਤੂੰ ਆਪ (ਇਸ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਤੋਂ) ਨਿਰਲੇਪ ਹੈਂ। ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ! (ਤੇਰੇ ਰੂਪ) ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਹੀ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਲ ਜਾਣ-ਪਛਾਣ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ। (ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ) ਜੋ ਕੁਝ ਦਿੱਸ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਲੀਨ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਗ਼ਰੀਬ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇਰੇ ਦਰ ਤੋਂ (ਨਾਮ ਦਾ) ਖ਼ੈਰ ਮੰਗਦਾ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ! ਮੈਨੂੰ ਆਪਣਾ ਨਾਮ ਦੇਹ, ਇਹੀ ਮੇਰੇ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਉੱਚੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਹੈ।੧੬।੧।
 
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