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Sikh News To Tackle a White Elephant

Discussion in 'Breaking News' started by Neutral Singh, Feb 8, 2005.

  1. Neutral Singh

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    Sat Sri Akal Ji,

    I think the naming ,, white Sikhs '' is a big NON - SENSE word- play.
    It does not represent anybody & anything really.It makes only confusion
    around us. I am also sure that it has been set ( intentionally / or non knowingly ) here and everywhere from people
    which have not understood what Sikhhism means. Those people still in 2011 stick
    on racial, religiouse and national discriminations. :happykaur:
     
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    Dushanka ji

    These type of tags are attached with several communities ,for example the muslims of mewat region haryana are called meo muslims because they were
    originally Rajputs so I don't think there is anything wrong in term White sikh unless someone use it racially
     
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    kds1980 sorry there is everything wrong in calling Sikhs by color. This is never positive and is either demeaning to others or egoistic for others. Both bad.

    Sorry.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    How is it wrong or egoistic? It is the tone which is either harsh or racial.People from Europe in India are called white's or gorey so if they embrace sikhism they will be called white sikh just like if chinese embrace sikhism they will be called Chinese Sikhs.If in future any other ethnicity will embrace sikhism in large number then Punjabi sikhs will be called Punjabi Sikhs.

    Anyway in India people use word Sardar as derogatery or as respectful manner.If they want to use it in insulting manner they say " oye sardar" and in respectful manner they say "sardar ji" so it is the tone that determine whether the word is used as racial or respectful.
     
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    Kds 1980 ,

    :noticemunda: Please read also the other thread on the same topic...:whatzpointkudi:
     
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    Sorry I disagree and don't want to keep belaboring the point.

    Every Sikh is a Sikh first and everything else afterwards.

    If you see a Sikh who has a white/Caucasian skin tone they are still Sikh first. Why don't you call me "Brown Sikh" or I call you the same! Would you be offended if someone called you a Brown Sikh. Labels added to any one called "Sikh" only demean. I don't even like when some people are flagged as "Guru Ka Sikh" as it immediately raises a notion as others are "Some other types of Sikhs".

    If you come across a Sikh who is Caucasian it is not respectful to that person to be described as "Gorah Sikh". If you need to describe it to some one you can say a Sikh and if needed to add value to the description and in context say " He was Caucasian". As White is also a misnomer as it is relative and changes across Europe, North America and other places.

    I rest on this as that is about all I want to contribute on this.

    Cheers.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    WELL that is what we all try to explain ...

    A SIKH IS SIMPLY A SIKH NO MATTER FROM WHERE HE COMES , WHERE HE LIVES ,
    WHAT IS HIS FAMILY BACKGROUND, etc...etc...peacesignkaur
     
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    Why would I feel offended if someone call me brown sikh,Indian sikh,Punjabi sikh,Khatri sikh, arora sikh.In common language people use these words I don't understand if someone feel offended

    Let me ask you a question Punjabi Sikh Girl want to marry white sikh boy and she say this to her Father that she wants to marry a white Sikh then is she racial when she uses the word White sikh, no she is not she is just defining the ethnicity of her B/F to her Father
     
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    SIKHISM DOES NOT TEACH US STILL TO CLASSIFY ANYBODY , ( sure we can say when we talk this person is fair , darker etc.. but please no castism !!! )
    OTHERWISE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIKHS AND
    CAST SYSTEM CLASSIFIED HINDUS???peacesignkaur
     
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    Discrimination and defining are 2 different things.Hindu's discriminate on the base of caste
     
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    kds1980 ji you are so upside down on this.

    This is how the dialog possibly will go in a respectful family,
    Sat Sri Akal.cheerleader
     
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    Ambarsaria ji

    Good writing but I am afraid things don't go in this way in real life
     
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    It came as a shock to me that the thread is really about the Singh twins, not white Sikhs. So I am wondering how white elephants and white Sikhs somehow got connected. But I can guess.

    :grinningkaur:

    This is how the article begins:

     
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    kds1980 ji it was not written to show how things go but just an Example to indicate the proper context of identifying "color" and Sikh.:interestedmunda:

    nuff said already, be as you want to be.

    Sat Sri Akal
     
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