Sikh News Taksal - A Critical Analysis

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

"Well das welcomes you and is hapy to read your mind from your post." - Vijaydip
-----Dass doesn't care if you welcome dass or not. As long as the readers welcome dass.

"So can you give refreance of any text where Hanuman was givne a curse that he will be naked? If you do not know then untrue is from you bor.Hanuman was cursed that he was to forget his power.He did get this as he once ate sun.Coming to reason for his Jat Sat.He once entered Haem iof Ravana to serach Mother Sita,He saw manay female sleeping in many forms and beheld them as his mother yet said that mother Sita could not be one of them.Well if you were at his place.Say if you visit some striping dislay.Das hope you will also act like Hanuman.Das also worte about Hanuman not
having Kachera but symbol was of Jat And Sat(do you know what is meant by jat or Yatitva)It is not your jatt." - Vijaydip
-----What is dass's Shoodar or whatever jut? Dass put 2 tts to have a tuttta sound but you don't understand dass as chariters ruin the thinking process. Dass doesn't believe in caste system. Dass is not hindu and dass doesn't have ties with RSS so dass doesn't believe in caste system. Okay? Understand wanna be cool guy? Dass doen't go to strip club and never went and will never go. Dass isn't a pervert but those who say chariters is bani are the extreme perverts. Understood? Reference is your hindu granths and articles from
POFESSOR INDER SINGH GHAGGA'S ARTICLES

"anyway symobls are used in Gurubani like Brahma beng born fromk lotus(to oppse caste)that is not a lie.Giving example from mythology to promate Gurmat as das mentioend was used by Guru also.so erson like you can say lier to all but do spare Guru." - Vijaydip
----- Dass knows okay militant. Why are you talking crap about dass? When did dass say Guru lies? Are you on bhung given by some nihungs? Smoke weed all day and promote tria chariters. Get money from sarkar. Good stuff. Keep it up. You claim on various sites that some missionaries say that there is no need to take Amrit. Which ones? Name them and give dass their contact or don't spread lies.

"Coming to Triya Charitars.Das challenges you that if you are son of your father give refreance to Triya Charitar where child abuse is encouraged.Now you lie." - Vijaydip
----- Again you are talking crap about dass. You can't refute dass's claims and post unrelated tukhs and try to fool the innocent sangat. You post 1 liners and got no clue how aarth of done of Bani. Go enroll in a missionary college and learn to do aarth properly or don't post random tukhs. Dass doesn't lie. Go read chariters again. The one where it talks about placing a thorn in child's {censored} because the child was fooling around. How nice is that? Isn't that child abuse?

"Das did not ask anyone to care or not about das's respecting anyone.But for das all to be respected in Panth as all are usefull in one or the other reason.Be it Kala Afghanaism,be it AKJism or be it Taksal" - Vijaydip
----- Why isn't taksal ism? Who says taksal was started by Guru? Why is there no mention of it in any puratan granth? Why are you lying again? I am not oart of kala afganaism either. I am part of Guru Nanak's Panth. Nirmal Panth.

"Das has been part of British Army also so who one earth are you to question das's precense at internet.Next yera das may be in your country also.So what can you do of that.Das gets fre time and instead of drinking and going to massage cetre das trys to get nerer knwogglde from sites like Sikh-MARG "The Way Of Life" - Who anyway told you that bani is based upon vedic philosphy.If Vedas are 20 then Bani is 100.80 extra." - Vijaydip
----- Dass is son of Guru Nanak - Guru Gobind Singh Ji to question to you. Any issues? Want some tissues? Who is even talking about massage centres or drinking? Do you want to do those activities but your assignment doesn't allow you to? As for those articles on SikhMarg, read articles by Prof. Inder Singh about Gurbani wich puranik kathaava. That should clear your mind up if you want it to be cleared up.

"Then you talk of Baba Sahib Ambedkar with das.Silly thing.Have you read Vedas anyway before you commet on them.Baba Sahib oppsed Manu Samriti and Dalits want it to be Changed.(which is more misinterpreted by seudo Brhamnaicl things).Are you aware that Dalits want term Chura altered from Darbar Sahib also.Will you agreee?And do you know that why so called lower caste Bhaniyari Wala burnt Darbar Sahib's copy." - Vijaydip
----- What are you talking about here. Dass knows what Vedas talk about. Want a link to katha on vedas? Brahmans wrote them so they can interpret them anyway they want. Where is the term chura on darbar sahib? Dass doesn't know. Please tell dass where it is written. It should be changed as there is no caste system in the Khalsa Panth. Who burnt copy of Darbar Sahib and when? Reference? Link? Didn't SGPC do anything? You go talk to Vedanti about this as it is his fault.

"It is better that is you are a son of one father then come over in India and take onto enmies of Panth in here instead of showing gimmickery from accros the sea. Das will help you.Do not go by bad mouth of das but this is the way Taksali guys and sometime babbers are also seen to incite Sikhs.If you have even a little salt of Guru in you blood.Do something for Panth.Then all this nonsense time wastage for das." - Vijaydip
----- Why are you personally attacking dass again? Of course dass is son of 1 father. Even rss {censored}s are son of 1 father. Dass's father's name is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Who is yours? Inder devta? Vishnu? You don't even know. Hindus don't even know when or who created hinduism. What do you mean bad mouth? Dass states the facts regardless if you like them or not. Of course dass is doing something for the Panth with hukam from Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Maharaaj himseld assigned dass on mission to parchaar Tat Grurmat. You jealous? Hope you ain't a bati like some of the American soldiers. How are you going to help dass? You preach something totally contradictory to Gurmat. You would
prob. screw dass and make cash. Dass will come to India when Akaal orders so relax.

"This not the first time that you have carried an attack on integrity of das" - Vijaydip
----- Anyone saying tria chariter is bani has no integrity so what are you on about?

"This also proved that you are not from AKJ and so you lied to das about your connection to AKJ.That was the only reason that das prefer to ingnore your non sense personal attacks.Yuo can say anything you want." - Vijaydip
----- What are you talking about? When did dass say he is part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha? You are making lies again or you can't read properly. Can you tell a difference between Akali Katha Jatha and Akhand Kirtani Jatha? No wonder you can't tell difference between Bani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and tria chariters. Nasha putta screws up the thinking.

"Das eats meat.Just had chicken patty.Can eat beef also.Das only said that while doing Nam Abhyas,We do not need much food and enrgey and so we may eat less and sleep less." - Vijaydip
-----Dass doesn't care about what you ate today or watever you eat. How does this statement help dass understand that tria chariters isn't bani? Useless comment by das to dass.

"But as you are lier and not from AKJ,you have never done that ie Nam Drirh so yuo do not knnow and comment.Meat may have high value of stuf which will increse semena conentent(as Animal proteen is easy to digest then say plant one).Das can digesnt that as das is martial Artists and does carry out Shaster Vidya also." - Vijaydip
----- Why are you trying to defame dass? Dass is a good clean person. Dass doesn't lie. Dass isn't part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha and never said is part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha. Where did naam drirh come from? Mental case? Need doctor checkup? Naam drirh isn't part of Gurmat in any way. It is Bhai Randhir Singh thing so go ask him. Naam simran is part of Gurmat and there isn't a special technique to recite bani or Waheguru. Dass doesn't care if you know shaster vidya or not. Doesn't influence dass.

"If you can not run 15mintue 2mile and can not do pull ups 10 in one go.Then meat you might be eating if not increasing your lust may increse anger or frsutration or say doubt and fear.Extra enrgy has to go out else it make obese. Das himself kills animal with Jhataka and can eat any non Hala meat yet he is trying to defend the point of view of non meat eaters.Just let both may come neaer and you are nut,you want to say that das is dividing with an Agenda." - Vijaydip
----- Dass plays hockey. Want to play one on one? Not field hockey, the other one if you know which one that is. You can eat any non hala meat including humans? Why you calling dass a nut? Dass can join the Indian military and be army chief if you can hook up the army chief job.

"When 'sikhs' like you are here.RSS or GOI does not has to do any thing to divide Sikhs.Akal Bless you." - Vijaydeep
----- Dass understands that your RSS/GOI plans are failing. They aren't going to pass anyways. Akaal controls the whole creation. Akaal bless dass and bles das with some Gurmat Gyan so he can move over from biprvaad to Gurmat. He is stuck in the middle right now.

"Das is happy that like a true missionary you are not nasty with das as borther Khalsa Fauj is." - Vijaydip
----- First of all, dass doesn't think he is nasty. Second, is dass more nasty than tria chariters?

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Gurfateh

Well das welcomes you and is hapy to read your mind from your post." - Vijaydip
-----Dass doesn't care if you welcome dass or not. As long as the readers welcome dass.

Well das also likes to read your stuff.

"So can you give refreance of any text where Hanuman was givne a curse that he will be naked? If you do not know then untrue is from you bor.Hanuman was cursed that he was to forget his power.He did get this as he once ate sun.Coming to reason for his Jat Sat.He once entered Haem iof Ravana to serach Mother Sita,He saw manay female sleeping in many forms and beheld them as his mother yet said that mother Sita could not be one of them.Well if you were at his place.Say if you visit some striping dislay.Das hope you will also act like Hanuman.Das also worte about Hanuman not
having Kachera but symbol was of Jat And Sat(do you know what is meant by jat or Yatitva)It is not your jatt." - Vijaydip
-----What is dass's Shoodar or whatever jut? Dass put 2 tts to have a tuttta sound but you don't understand dass as chariters ruin the thinking process. Dass doesn't believe in caste system. Dass is not hindu and dass doesn't have ties with RSS so dass doesn't believe in caste system. Okay? Understand wanna be cool guy? Dass doen't go to strip club and never went and will never go. Dass isn't a pervert but those who say chariters is bani are the extreme perverts. Understood? Reference is your hindu granths and articles from
POFESSOR INDER SINGH GHAGGA'S ARTICLES

Das(vd Singh) did not talked prevert of Hanuman but it was you dear TKF,who talked about cursed that Hanuman was to be naked.

Yuo have treied to evade the Answer.

Yuo did lie.As you lie that Charitars are preversion.Perversionn is in your mind.

Wait.Yuo say Tatta for Tainka.Letter Ta for Gurmukhi is termed at Tainka and you say Tatta.Tatta in you language in testicle.

Yuo actuly act has Brahmin with untoachablity for thoise who do not have faith in your lies based Anti Dasham Granth Propoganda.

"anyway symobls are used in Gurubani like Brahma beng born fromk lotus(to oppse caste)that is not a lie.Giving example from mythology to promate Gurmat as das mentioend was used by Guru also.so erson like you can say lier to all but do spare Guru." - Vijaydip
----- Dass knows okay militant. Why are you talking crap about dass? When did dass say Guru lies? Are you on bhung given by some nihungs? Smoke weed all day and promote tria chariters. Get money from sarkar. Good stuff. Keep it up. You claim on various sites that some missionaries say that there is no need to take Amrit. Which ones? Name them and give dass their contact or don't spread lies.

If das smoke weed or take cannaby then das can say that yuo sleep wityh {censored}.

This is not the topic to talk that which Missioanry talk about amrit but go to sikhmarg and read the article by S. Gurbbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana.for das he is role model but you act like Joginder Singh Talwara.No space to think free.

"Coming to Triya Charitars.Das challenges you that if you are son of your father give refreance to Triya Charitar where child abuse is encouraged.Now you lie." - Vijaydip
----- Again you are talking crap about dass. You can't refute dass's claims and post unrelated tukhs and try to fool the innocent sangat. You post 1 liners and got no clue how aarth of done of Bani. Go enroll in a missionary college and learn to do aarth properly or don't post random tukhs. Dass doesn't lie. Go read chariters again. The one where it talks about placing a thorn in child's {censored} because the child was fooling around. How nice is that? Isn't that child abuse?

Boy das has seen your non sense in talking Tatta for Tainka.So first give Chaitar Number. to learn Braj Bhash do you thiink that we have to go to Missioanries when Guru has started Taksals.Missiorny are 100 years old and Taksal 300 years.Braj Bhasah can also be lerant from Muslim Madaris(School
)

Challenge is still open give number and prove that it is so.Das wants to add that in Japu Ji we have mnay filthy east filth.Is it encrouagement to us to eat filth of just descriptiojn to us about Truth sop that we take care of that.

"Das did not ask anyone to care or not about das's respecting anyone.But for das all to be respected in Panth as all are usefull in one or the other reason.Be it Kala Afghanaism,be it AKJism or be it Taksal" - Vijaydip
----- Why isn't taksal ism? Who says taksal was started by Guru? Why is there no mention of it in any puratan granth? Why are you lying again? I am not oart of kala afganaism either. I am part of Guru Nanak's Panth. Nirmal Panth.

no yuo are after your own ego path.Read Pracheen Panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu and Wada Ghaluu Ghara.Yuo will get the answer.which old Granth deos talk that Guruship was past to Guru Granth Sahib?Or say Amrit Sanakar procedure as they are now?Which Old Granth tells that we should sing tu Thakur Tum Pai Ardas.... before Ardas?

"Das has been part of British Army also so who one earth are you to question das's precense at internet.Next yera das may be in your country also.So what can you do of that.Das gets fre time and instead of drinking and going to massage cetre das trys to get nerer knwogglde from sites like Sikh-MARG "The Way Of Life" - Who anyway told you that bani is based upon vedic philosphy.If Vedas are 20 then Bani is 100.80 extra." - Vijaydip
----- Dass is son of Guru Nanak - Guru Gobind Singh Ji to question to you. Any issues? Want some tissues? Who is even talking about massage centres or drinking? Do you want to do those activities but your assignment doesn't allow you to? As for those articles on SikhMarg, read articles by Prof. Inder Singh about Gurbani wich puranik kathaava. That should clear your mind up if you want it to be cleared up.

Yuo are not son of anyone but your own ego.You question Guru and neither you have right nor power to questiion das's presense.

Reading many things on Sikhmarg and moving on them is same to go to Massage centre or drinking.But still das finds many usefull things over there.

coming to clearing of mind.Das does not has his mind as his mind is not his but Akal is owner.But Akal did not give you mind at all,so you are not able to clear it either.

Das as he has faith in whole Dasham Granth,so will never be entraped into vices like drink or sex and in time his comrades may go for that,Das still goes with Internet and Gurmat realted things.

"Then you talk of Baba Sahib Ambedkar with das.Silly thing.Have you read Vedas anyway before you commet on them.Baba Sahib oppsed Manu Samriti and Dalits want it to be Changed.(which is more misinterpreted by seudo Brhamnaicl things).Are you aware that Dalits want term Chura altered from Darbar Sahib also.Will you agreee?And do you know that why so called lower caste Bhaniyari Wala burnt Darbar Sahib's copy." - Vijaydip
----- What are you talking about here. Dass knows what Vedas talk about. Want a link to katha on vedas? Brahmans wrote them so they can interpret them anyway they want. Where is the term chura on darbar sahib? Dass doesn't know. Please tell dass where it is written. It should be changed as there is no caste system in the Khalsa Panth. Who burnt copy of Darbar Sahib and when? Reference? Link? Didn't SGPC do anything? You go talk to Vedanti about this as it is his fault.

give link and numbers also.Who told you that Brahman wrote Vedas.As per Veda all four profession have one father,who is in all Yajurveda pursh sukta.It is you who harp about lies towards own text and teaxt and faiths of others.

As das sees that you are littel qualified in Punjabi then to think that you can do jutice to Sanskirt is is foolish thing.Bhaniyari Wala does this.He is in ropar,It was as result of Sikhs burning the copy of his own Granth.

and you who oppose sgpc Sikh Rahit's various content now want to hide behind them only like a coward.yuo are hypocrate.Rember boy.If you try or any one try to alter Darbar Sahib,Das by mercy of Akal will alter his body,Das challenges this thing that that person could be annywhere in world or in sapce.

Before das puts term which Valmikis or Churas want to remove.Das just wants to tell you that daas is moving for a docterate in IT relted thing.There are software,which with the Ip address of the system can give us exact location of the person.Yuo Candian SIS,will only help us.So be carefull in future.Fake names and once true identy with the help of Java Netwroking s/w is revealed.It will be handed over to Babbers or Taksalis.Then you will know that how good your Khalistanis will be with you.role of RSS,GOI or niuhng will be nothing.

so beware from today about anything you think to alter Scrtipture.Das knows that some guys like you are tryin to remove Bhagat Bani and Bhatt Swayyes.So you are opn by now.

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लबु कुता कूड़ु चूहड़ा ठगि खाधा मुरदारु ॥
lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar.
Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.
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kubuDh doomnee kud-i-aa kasaa-in par nindaa ghat choohrhee muthee kroDh chandaal.
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As per Balmikis it is derogatory for Churhas.

"It is better that is you are a son of one father then come over in India and take onto enmies of Panth in here instead of showing gimmickery from accros the sea. Das will help you.Do not go by bad mouth of das but this is the way Taksali guys and sometime babbers are also seen to incite Sikhs.If you have even a little salt of Guru in you blood.Do something for Panth.Then all this nonsense time wastage for das." - Vijaydip
----- Why are you personally attacking dass again? Of course dass is son of 1 father. Even rss {censored}s are son of 1 father. Dass's father's name is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Who is yours? Inder devta? Vishnu? You don't even know. Hindus don't even know when or who created hinduism. What do you mean bad mouth? Dass states the facts regardless if you like them or not. Of course dass is doing something for the Panth with hukam from Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Maharaaj himseld assigned dass on mission to parchaar Tat Grurmat. You jealous? Hope you ain't a bati like some of the American soldiers. How are you going to help dass? You preach something totally contradictory to Gurmat. You would
prob. screw dass and make cash. Dass will come to India when Akaal orders so relax.

Das saw that you had Shiva as you father who picture you Carry.yuo again evaded the question of das.Yuo still have no bones to come to India and take Anti sikhs but ry to bombard fellow Sikhs.

Anyway if yuo call yourself a son only father Guru Gobind Singh then you are sloandering the Guru as can Guru can never give Brith to such spcimen.Yey Shivas jatt(locks) can have such Jaat sons.


What you preach is Tat manmat and you do not know Gurmat.may be someone inpersinating as Guru could be making fool of you as your father.

Das is pity at hell which is in your mind.which has rendered you useless.If you come to India das assures yuo that,if you do not try to alter Darbar Sahib,das will take you to the person who are from your idealogy.

differance in idealogy on some issues still does not prevent Fellows Sikhs to coodinate.

Das co ordinates with Brother Bijla Singh,In Past Baba Gurbachan Singh coor dinate with Bhai Randheer Singh.For common goals we can leave some diferance back.Reason for Das's telling you to join Army or to come to India is that once you are in real time,you will know the difffreance in once life in simulated cocone and getto or in real world.Then you will have what is meant by Triya Charitar.

So prove that Guru you talk is Same Guru who was sent by Akal.Reason for attacking you personaly wass that you withour knwoing das told that das is from RSS or GOI.

coing to Father of Das.Das could be bastered,Das could be son of {censored}.But das is better then person like you who lies and make claims and can not full fill them.Who has no faith in Guru and not Faityh in fellow Sikh.Instead of answering the valid point(like Bhai Akashdeep Singh does) you restore to personal jingosim.It can be OK,when you are behind the system.

What could you do in debate Betwwen S. Inder Singh Ji Ghugga and Bhai Kulbeer Singh.Just good for nothing.Just cyber yapper.

"This not the first time that you have carried an attack on integrity of das" - Vijaydip
----- Anyone saying tria chariter is bani has no integrity so what are you on about?

anyone who say false about felow Sikh has no integrity.Anyone who doouts Guru or Question Gurmat has no integrity.

In Maas Maas Kar Murak Jagre ..Kala Afghana Sahib,said that Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh Ji questioned Guru when he said that should one eat mensurated discharge also(As per Maaass Maas Kar Murakh Jhagre.. in Malar Ki Var).But did not you also question Guru,when das put as per Gurumat all thngs are in Akal Control and all is done by Akal.Did not you say should we preach kok(erotic ) by this?Was not this questioning Guru?

Das should have asked you but Taponban Adimn closed the thread.
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"This also proved that you are not from AKJ and so you lied to das about your connection to AKJ.That was the only reason that das prefer to ingnore your non sense personal attacks.Yuo can say anything you want." - Vijaydip
----- What are you talking about? When did dass say he is part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha? You are making lies again or you can't read properly. Can you tell a difference between Akali Katha Jatha and Akhand Kirtani Jatha? No wonder you can't tell difference between Bani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and tria chariters. Nasha putta screws up the thinking.

When das has chat with you at msn meesenger.Yuo used derogatory term for Kala Afghana Sahib.did not you called him Kala?And then did not you say that you are from AKJ?So anyway the way Yuor Father Krishan chaeted BRahmin Durnacharya so did you did ,Ashvathama Hato Naro Va Kujaro(Ashvath Thama is dead and silently not Man but Mammoth).

Das is aware that you can not tell differcne between Tat Gurmat and Man mat but can say man and guru is same.So did you do for Akhand Katha Jatha as AKJ..yuo have more Nasha of your ego and to incerse this you do Makkari (TREachury)also. Akal will take care of you.Rather Akal is taking care of you.so much hell which is there in mind and hatered makes you like that.

"Das eats meat.Just had chicken patty.Can eat beef also.Das only said that while doing Nam Abhyas,We do not need much food and enrgey and so we may eat less and sleep less." - Vijaydip
-----Dass doesn't care about what you ate today or watever you eat. How does this statement help dass understand that tria chariters isn't bani? Useless comment by das to dass.

Just put what thing you do not understand and with Charitar Number and das will help.and If by acting like fool,you are hell bent to not to understand that,then it is not the fult of Das.

"But as you are lier and not from AKJ,you have never done that ie Nam Drirh so yuo do not knnow and comment.Meat may have high value of stuf which will increse semena conentent(as Animal proteen is easy to digest then say plant one).Das can digesnt that as das is martial Artists and does carry out Shaster Vidya also." - Vijaydip
----- Why are you trying to defame dass? Dass is a good clean person. Dass doesn't lie. Dass isn't part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha and never said is part of Akhand Kirtani Jatha. Where did naam drirh come from? Mental case? Need doctor checkup? Naam drirh isn't part of Gurmat in any way. It is Bhai Randhir Singh thing so go ask him. Naam simran is part of Gurmat and there isn't a special technique to recite bani or Waheguru. Dass doesn't care if you know shaster vidya or not. Doesn't influence dass.

As per know das has understood that you are not from AKJ so no longer to think oveer that.It ism more like as person who posed as driver and later told that I am as cleaner only.

Naam simaran Itself in Unique in Gurmat and not to be found in any other faith.

"If you can not run 15mintue 2mile and can not do pull ups 10 in one go.Then meat you might be eating if not increasing your lust may increse anger or frsutration or say doubt and fear.Extra enrgy has to go out else it make obese. Das himself kills animal with Jhataka and can eat any non Hala meat yet he is trying to defend the point of view of non meat eaters.Just let both may come neaer and you are nut,you want to say that das is dividing with an Agenda." - Vijaydip
----- Dass plays hockey. Want to play one on one? Not field hockey, the other one if you know which one that is. You can eat any non hala meat including humans? Why you calling dass a nut? Dass can join the Indian military and be army chief if you can hook up the army chief job.

Well Dear Boy.In your couontries your Royal Candian Commandos are like Rassgulla for us.Yuo know it is sweet thing to eat.Das would like to tell you that you can play hocky the other way and das will play without any hocky and remember,the ball will not be standard hocky ball.Yes,There is way with which we are told to bite a part of jagular to kill the enemy.so humans can be killed like that.It is part of old Sashter Vidiya.Another way ios to cut lung vessel in throat.when we play hocky,you may expirance some things while Das extracts the ball from some players body.

coming for Army yuo are not fit as yet to be a private be it in India or in west.In Army,people have diffreance but when there is problem to the instituion we forget the differcne and fight the common eneimy.

Persopn like you,who instead of jhelping us to fight outsider(As Bhai Bijala Singh and Bhai Manbeer Singh deos) tend to attack the own militray.WE put a bullet in the head of such traitors.Same does Royal Canadian do but will say that this private has died with an accident.

"When 'sikhs' like you are here.RSS or GOI does not has to do any thing to divide Sikhs.Akal Bless you." - Vijaydeep
----- Dass understands that your RSS/GOI plans are failing. They aren't going to pass anyways. Akaal controls the whole creation. Akaal bless dass and bles das with some Gurmat Gyan so he can move over from biprvaad to Gurmat. He is stuck in the middle right now.

Yes 'Sikh' Panth as you want is dependant upon you.This is again self glorfication and self praise.The end of yours in with there.Yuor ego one day will take you down.

"

Das is happy that like a true missionary you are not nasty with das as borther Khalsa Fauj is." - Vijaydip
----- First of all, dass doesn't think he is nasty. Second, is dass more nasty than tria chariters?

Das finds you more nasty then Mein Kamf.Triya Charitars are not up to your intellect.

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Gurfateh

Das wanted to add reply to TKF but could not get it in there.

 

[International Akaali]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

we have gone away from the subject

the subject was taksal and not you two dissing each other

the subject is taksal not TKF or vijaydeep

we are talking about writings they have written as per gurbani

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Vijee, why are you launching personal attacks? Finding IP address won't tell you anything. It will tell you broad location. I will tell you now. Toronto. Want to come down? As for taksalis and babbars, the are at same level of education as you. I have talked to them too. They got no answers either. Just like you. Keep making yourh threats. I like them. Makes me feel good. As for giving me bullet. Give to me. I like that too.

Which darbar sahib are you talking about? Dasam Granth? Tria chariters got burned some days ago. Where were you? They got burned by bibis in India. Didn't you know?

Nanak Aisee Murnee Jo Mrai, Taa Sadh Jeevan Hoaye!

Soora So Pehchaanee-aye Jo Lrai Deen Kay Hait!

Jay Jeevai Putt Luthee Jaa-aye! Sabh Hraam Jay Taa Kish Khaa-aye!

Vijee, I suggest you back and join sudarshan.
We don't need hindufied Sikhs who are full of bipran kee reet. You can take other dasam granth followers along with you. As for chariter #rs. Read all chariters yourself and I don't need to read your messed up interpretation. I can do it myself. Dasam Granth came into Sikhs during the late 18th century or early 19th century. Since then, Panth has been going down. So many deras, raaj has been lost, brahman is in control again because Jub Eh Ghai Bipran Kee Reet, mai na karo in kee parteet. Taksal couldn't make Khalistan and neither could babbars. Why? Bipran kee reet and both groups are followers of dehdharis. Gurbachan Singh and Randheer Singh.
Why don't you come to Canada and see what happens. Don't be proud of your military skills. Military skills couldn't save kuthee khan from someone who had never lifted a weapon. Even if you succeed in finishing me off. How long will be take for me to be ready again? This time it took 19years. Next time, it will take 14-15 years. If have to come back 50 times to clear up shit like tria chariters, i will come back. Akaal is beyond all. This head only bows to Guru Granth and Akaal. Shit like tria chariters deserves to be in strip clubs or other filthy places, no in Gurudwaras.

You still couldn't answer why Peer Buddhu Shah isn't mentioned. You confusing military excuse doesn't work. Tell me when you come to Canada and where you are going to be residing. As for going to Punjab, I willl, when I save enough money. I don't want to make a living from pieces thrown by people like saad babas do.

Khalsa Gujjay, Lundee Buchee like Vijee Bhujjay
Bunjdee Noo Rah Naa Lubbay, Bhuj Bhuj Kundeya Wich Bujjay
Guru Kalgidhar Day Mun Noo Bhaavai
Nihaal Ho Jaavay
Bolayyyyyyyy So Nihaalllllll
Sat Sri Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

As for saying i sleep with bitches. That shows the influence of tria chariters on your mind. Shows your low life thinking. Did you ever read the Sikh rehat maryada? It says that no to cohabit with someone not you spouse. Rehat maryada also says that kirpaa kuree hum pur jugmaata isn't bani and a statement issued in 1973 declared that tria chariter isn't bani.
You claim to be Sikh yet you oppose the decision made by SIkhs that tria chariter isn't bani. You are lost cause. I can pay for you mental checkups in the near future once i graduate.

You don't need to waste time trying to find out where I live. I live in Toronto between Jot Parkash and Malton Gurudwara both of which are taksal controlled and both have brahmanee maryada implemented. I called some taksali kids taksali gundas in their Gurudwara and they couldn't do jack shit. Same way, rss or its agents can't do jack. You shiv sena guys got their asses wopped by Akali Dal Amritsar and company. Why are you so proud of your indian military who can't even dare to fight Pakistan. Fear of country being torn into pieces? It will be anyways.
Raaj Karega Khalsa
Bolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy So Nihaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllll
Saaaaaaattttttttttttttttt Sriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

[Bijla Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Mr. TKF, your idiocy never ceases to exist. What reference do you have that Taksalis and AKJ follow dehdharis? I suggest you give up your hatred as it is very harmful to spirituality. As far as Khalistan is concerned, it hasn't been established but doesn't mean never will be. Sacrifices made for a good cause are always fruitful be it today or tomorrow. Your posts are the clear proof of why you were banned on the other forum. At least clean up your language if you consider yourself a Sikh.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Mr. TKF, your idiocy never ceases to exist. What reference do you have that Taksalis and AKJ follow dehdharis? I suggest you give up your hatred as it is very harmful to spirituality. As far as Khalistan is concerned, it hasn't been established but doesn't mean never will be. Sacrifices made for a good cause are always fruitful be it today or tomorrow. Your posts are the clear proof of why you were banned on the other forum. At least clean up your language if you consider yourself a Sikh.

Mr. Bijla. before calling other idiots. Just take a look. Who do the takalis follow? Gurbachan Singh. Dehdhari. How about AKJs? Bhai Randheer Singh. Dehdhari.
What are the chances of establishing Khalistan now? Image of Khalistan has been ruined by fake khalistanis and money collectors. Dasam Granth chelas are going to make Khalistan?
What do you mean my posts are clear proof?
Example?
The guys who gave sacrifices to liberate Gurudwara from Mahants weren't Shaheeds and maryada made by them isn't to be fruitful?
As long as bipran kee reet is there, nothing will be fruitful as there will be no parteet.
Do I need a licesnse from you to be considered a Sikh? I don't need to be considered a Sikh. I am one and not of a dera but of Guru Nanak.
What is wrong with the language I use? Help me clean it up if you can. What is wrong and what should be changed? I will leave these forums if you can do this job of exposing Brahmanvaad and removing Bipran Kee Reet and walk on the true path. I don't gain gold medals by posting on forums. I don't tell people to follow any jatha or dera either. Tell me where did I tell anyone to follow any jatha? I just preach the message of Guru Nanak and Khalsa Panth. Why was Pritam Singh banned? What wrong did he do?
Did you ever question the spirituality of Randhir Singh when he called meat eater maaskhoray which is a disease of the mouth. I didn't call anyone or any jatha this. Did I?
How about the words used in tria chariters?
How about Gurbachan Singh talking about Guru Sahib seeing women eating human flesh and with weird heads.

Was/is causing fights in Gurudwaras spiritual?
What did poor Jasbir Singh from Punjab radio do that dera mafia broke his leg?

I don't hate anyone but I can't use better words because it hurts when those who say {censored} kavita chariters are bani and oppose and ban those people who say it isn't bani.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Veer Vijay writes:
Das again thanks Gyani Sahib Ji for help he provided but Halal is sacrifisal only during Id Ul Azha while name of Allah is said otherwise and blood is drained as to let blood(a symbol of life as per Old Testment so Kosher(some Jews are doing kosher of pig also)) be out.Kuran forbades the consumption of blood.If neded Ayats from Suras can be provided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Id ul Fitr is the Main Festival of SACRIFICE..and yes many many hudreds of thousands of animals are sacriificed to Allah throughout the Muslim World on this day....
BUT "Hallal Meat" is prepared EVERY SINGLE time an animal is slaughtered in the MUSLIM WAY by reading of Klamas and slowly cutting the Main Arteries of the animal. This is done 365 days 24/7....and NOT only on Id Ul Fitr day.
In Fact our MALAYSIAN GOVT has sent MUSLIMS to the Abbatoirs of countries like Australia so that any BEEF/LAMB/MUTTON etc EXPORTED to MALAYSIA woudl be HALLAL. ALL "MEAT" or MEAT PRODUCTS importd into amlaysia must eb HALLAL CERTIFIED. The only meat not hallal is PORK and Ham based products ( and thats what those of us eat who dont want hallal).
Its another matter that all thsi "hallal buisness" is just an empty ritual..as THOUSANDS of animals are being killed on Production Lines..and the Lamas are just Tape recordigns..being read just like some of us Sikhs Do our NITNEM...lying in bed listening to Gurdawra Sahib Loud speakers !!! Its WINTER now in Punajb..and its so nice lying down in warm bed razaii..and Nitnem Loud Speaker style begins at 4 AM !!!! no need to get up, bathe etc !! we are not the only HYPOCRITES..muslims are also part of this hypocracy !! we seek to "fool" Guru Gobind Singh ji..they seek to fool "allah"

Gyani jarnail Singh

 

[Bijla Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

I asked for a proof not an opinion. What is the proof that Taksalis and AKJ follow dehdharis? Just because they agree with Gursikhs doesn’t mean they follow them. You agree with Ghagga and other missionaries. Does that not make you a dehdhari by the same argument? A Sikh doesn't use foul language. A Sikh justifies his point based on reasoning not by making personal attacks. A Sikh focuses on preaching what Sikhi is not what Sikhi isn't. These are the reasons why Gursikhs (regardless of their beliefs) are respected in the Panth and were honored at Takhats. Shaheedis are always fruitful. One has to be an idiot to turn back on Shaheeds of the past. Just because the movement has been corrupted doesn't mean it has become a false cause. A Sikh would stand up and try to make things right rather than stand back and do nothing but criticize. In any case, carry on your rubbish posts.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Do I matha taik to Ghugga? Do I defend him when he makes a mistake? Did missionaries launch their own maryada? If you go to Gursikhijeevan.com and see the Baba Thakur Singh videos you see people matha taiking to his dead body. What else is dehdharism? We only matha taik to Guru and don't have a concept of Sants or Brahmgyanis or 108s. This is what Gurudom is. If not, then tell me what dehdhari following is?

Is saying that dasam granth is placed at mehta chownk opinion or fact?
Look at some of the other things i posted too? Are those facts or opinions?
Read books by Randhir Singh and taksal and then read Guru Granth Sahib Ji and see what you get.
Don't defend someone blindly.

I agree with anything that is Gurmat. Doesn't matter whose mouth it comes out from and if the same person makes mistake and then I don't hesitate to point the mistake out.

To directly reject Panthic marayda and call it british maryada or whatever and launch own maryada is bgaavat against the Panth and thus is establishment of own dehdhari santdom/bhaidom/Gurudom.

Reason for spread of Radhaswamis, Noormehlias, Sirsa Walas, etc. is rejection of Panthic maryada and launching own maryada.
Just say you want to make a new maryada and promote it, government will do the rest.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

When did I turn back on the Shaheeds?
Why isn't Ghugga respected with his mistakes if taksal can be accepted with 200+ mistakes and they aren't even close to agreeing to their mistakes.

Mohkam SIngh was asked about the mistakes taksal makes, he agreed that they are mistakes but said he can't do anything to change them because Sant Mahpursh wrote what they wrote. Is this not dehdhari Gurudom?

AKJ trying to defend Bhai Randhir Singh's view on meat go as far as labelling non AKJs as non-Sikhs. Is this not dehdhari Gurudom?

Last time I checked, missionaries didn't have a new maryada. They preach the Panthic marayda and distribute its copies.

 

[Archived_member2]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

The purpose of this topic seems to disgrace a person whom many have respected. They may be from his commune or elsewhere and having similar thinking.
Everybody has the right to say or write what he thinks is correct.
I do not feel that discussing such matters help anybody realize God's Truth.

The Guru's Shabads are anyway the mystery without true Simran. False translations are misleading the innocent seekers furthermore. We should discuss Gurbaanee with a feel of gaining in Sat Sangat.

Can anybody please explain it? Why Kuthaa means Halaal? Is it because someone has written this in a dictionary?


Balbir Singh

 

[International Akaali]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

what does kutha mean to you balbir singh?

dirty? that is what the AKJ have interperted it to be. however it makes no sense. kutha meat. dirty meat?

guru sahib says that following:

pMnw 1290
iesqRI purKY jW inis mylw EQY mMDu kmwhI ] (1290-1, mlwr, mÚ 1)
istaree purkhai jaaN nis maylaa othai manDh kamaahee.

mwshu inMmy mwshu jMmy hm mwsY ky BWfy ] (1290-1, mlwr, mÚ 1)
maasahu nimmay maasahu jammay ham maasai kay bhaaNday.

igAwnu iDAwnu kCu sUJY nwhI cquru khwvY pWfy ] (1290-2, mlwr, mÚ 1)
gi-aan Dhi-aan kachh soojhai naahee chatur kahaavai paaNday.

bwhr kw mwsu mMdw suAwmI Gr kw mwsu cMgyrw ] (1290-2, mlwr, mÚ 1)
baahar kaa maas mandaa su-aamee ghar kaa maas changayraa

jIA jMq siB mwshu hoey jIie lieAw vwsyrw ] (1290-3, mlwr, mÚ 1)
jee-a jant sabh maasahu ho-ay jee-ay la-i-aa vaasayraa.

ABKu BKih BKu qij Cofih AMDu gurU ijn kyrw ] (1290-3, mlwr, mÚ 1)
abhakh bhakheh bhakh taj chhodeh anDh guroo jin kayraa.

mwshu inMmy mwshu jMmy hm mwsY ky BWfy ] (1290-4, mlwr, mÚ 1)
maasahu nimmay maasahu jammay ham maasai kay bhaaNday



from where can you get the interpertation of kutha as dirty? panthic vidhvaans such as prof sahib singh have done aarth of kutha as halal as well

 

[Archived_member2]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all and International Akaali Jee!

Why have they interpreted 'Kuthaa' dirty or Halaal? There must be some origin or base to reach this conclusion.


Balbir Singh

 

[Bijla Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

I have read many books written by Taksal and Bhai Sahib. I agree with everything that is backed up by Gurbani or accepted historical references. I disagree with some of their points but I never try to insult them. Differences occur and that is the fact of life but insulting someone for having a different viewpoint is stupid. People make mistakes and every jathebandi today is corrupted to some point. Missionaries who drafted the maryada had panthic hearts whereas today's majority of the missionaries reject some of the most fundamentals of Sikhi. The Maryada is not perfect and requires modifications. Taksal and AKJ do not reject its entirety but some points of contentions. I have yet to see a press release by either group rejecting the Maryada entirely. There are more similarities than differences.

No group is without corruption but regardless they are all part of the Panth. We are like a big family and the best thing to do is to sit down and resolve the matters. Making personal attacks and using foul language is not a very smart thing to do. Love solves the problems which your posts lack. There are numerous anti-Sikhi forces that are working to destroy Sikhi and we should be countering them first. How many people in Sikhi know the basics or read charittars everyday? Hardly anyone. So why not preach what Sikhi is? Once people know Sikhi, practice Sikhi and understand Gurbani they will have the tools to do vichaar and make independent decisions about questionable portions of Dasam Granth. You and other missionaries are starting from the wrong end. Groups like RSS want to destroy Sikhi not just Taksal or AKJ. Instead of preaching what Sikhi is, you are focusing on controversial issues which cause further divisions. Although these issues are important but right now the time calls for survival of Sikhi. When the enemy seeks to destroy a family, the differences must be put aside to face the challenges. Then the members can sit down and talk it through. No matter can be resolved by getting angry and spewing hatred.

In any case, I rather not waste my time in discussing dasam granth or anything else when I can try to educate others about basic principles of Sikhi and counter anti-Sikhi forces. Keep in mind; you earn respect by respecting others. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Bijla singh writes..missionaries REJECT SRM fundamnetals BUT Taksal/Akj only " have points of contentions"....
Which MISSIONARY REJECTS the SRM. Name the Missionary and the RELEVANT PARTS of SRM rejected point by point please.
1. AKJ REJECT the Number of specified Banis in SRM Nitnem, they REJECT KESH as aKakaar, they REJECT the Khandey batte dee Pahul of all NON-AKJ Jathas, they REJECT the clearly stated position of JHATKA in SRM, and to them Bhai Randhir Singh is a demi-god just as thakur singh, gurbachan singh etc are to the taksalis. IF a Ghaghha or KA were to approach me..I would Bulah him Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh..I WONT MATHA TEK to him....that is DEHDHAREEISM clear and simple - and we have hundreds of cideos and books and articles proving who practises DEHDHAREEISM openly and shamelessly. IF Ghaghha makes a mistake..we TELL him so OPENLY...show me a Taksali/akj follower even DARE to open his mouth ( in SECRET even) about his mahan sri 1000008 Maharj ji ?? THAT was the Entire Puarrae Dee Jarr at the Shameless bEADBI of SGGS at a Gurdawra in Toronto shown on videos worldwide..the Maharaj Ji was being questioned and they couldnt stand it...and for once the AKJs also showed they are in chaoots with them although they had a sham that they dont actually support any babas and sants except SGGS only...suddenly this Baba ji couldnt make a mistake as if he is also ABHULL as KARTAR himself.

Gyani jarnail Singh

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Re: Taksal A critical Analysis

Gyani jarnail Singh Ji, this is what I am trying to say. I don't hate taksalis or akjs or Bhai Randhir Singh or Baba Gurbachan Singh but when these jatha walas put them above Sikh Rehat maryada and Guru Granth Sahib Ji, then there is an issue.

Just look at these:
http://gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/files/BabaJiSanskaarVideos/Babaji1.wmv
http://gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/files/BabaJiSanskaarVideos/Babaji2.wmv
http://gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/files/BabaJiSanskaarVideos/Babaji3.wmv
http://gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/files/BabaJiSanskaarVideos/Babaji4.wmv

Bijla Singh Ji you saw the Sarabloh thread where Singh132 was proven wrong with birth dates of Bhagats yet he continued to say that all Bhagats were present during the times of Guru Nanak Dev Ji just to prove Bhai Randhir Singh right.

As I have found that S1ngh owns the website and he is a taksali and pays for the website. Therefore, I don't mind if he banned me. If he is the owner of the site, he should have banned me the first time. I don't mind one bit.

No missionary rejects any Gurmat principle. There might be one or two but they can't overpower all of us. There is no need to be scared but they still do the most Tat Gurmat parchaar. They don't hesitate to point out the anti-Gurmat activities and don't space the committes who steal money either.

When content like tria chariter is the real enemy, then how can it be put aside? Clean up the internal enemy of bipran kee reet and external enemies will shut up themselves and no one will be able to stop us. I agree that the rehat maryada needs to have some changes but Panth has made it and we must accept it as it is right now and if there is any issue, we can hold Gurmattas in the future and make the decisions. Everyone would be allowed to give their input.

I have not seen one missionary who has opposed the fundamental principles of Gurmat. I have never come across a missionary who says that Khanday kee Pahul isn't needed. Ghugga also says that everyone must take Amrit. I can give you link to audio if you want where he talks about Amrit Sanchar maryada. I don't have personal hatred towards anyone but I do use harsh words at times to give my people a shake so they can wake up.

 

[Bijla Singh]

Gyani Ji, Ghagga and jeeonwala reject concept of Gurmat Naam which is Gurmantar. Rehat Maryada, Gurbani, Vaars and other sources make it clear that without Naam no one can be liberated. Kala Afghana first rejected 3 banis of nitnem then the entire Amrit ceremony. You yourself suggested using other materials for Amrit Sanchaar and even sugar to replace patasay. The process that Guru Sahib has established cannot be changed.

Kuttha - Bhai Sahib rejected Kuttha but provided references. So this is the disagreement with Rehat Maryada which doesn't prove that the entire document was rejected.

I agree that those who bowed down to Sikhs are doing wrong. When Sikhs are placed above Gurbani it is wrong but when did Bhai Sahib or Baba Gurbachan Singh ever ask others to bow to them? And how many out of those who bow to current jathedars consider them to be equal to Guru Sahib? I witnessed some people bowing to one Sikhs and when asked their reason was that he was a great soul. Not a guru but a pooran Gursikh. I disagreed with them but the point is that they didn't hold him equal to Guru Sahib. Taksalis or AKJ who do this are wrong for sure but I know many people from Taksal who disagreed with Baba Thakur Singh. I don't know of any mistakes Bhai Sahib made or if he ever lied so AKJ opposing Bhai Sahib on no grounds make no sense. I disagree with him on some controversial issues but I have no less respect for him than other gursikhs.

Rehat Maryada sets minimum requirements for Sikhi that could be agreed upon by the majority of the panth. It is not perfect and not everything can be accepted such as three banis in the morning. I have met Sikhs who used to do seva at Akal Takhat Sahib and according to them only Six Pauris of Anand Sahib used to be recited during Amrit Sanchaar. My cousin recently took Amrit there and he was told to do five banis in the morning, rehraas and sohila sahib. So the maryada is changing and requires modifications. Taksal and AKJ never rejected the entire document but certain points. I would like to see the reference of AKJ rejecting other Amrit Sanchaars and if they do that is wrong.

Chrittars are not the enemy at all because I hardly think anyone reads them everyday or even once in a month. More we spread these around more we will be sending this materials into the hands of other people. Keeping rehat is also important but when there is a world power hell bent on destroying us, they won't let us sit down and resolve our matters at Akal Takhat Sahib. First we need to have Sikhi rehat and heart to accept our mistakes as well as of our past jathedars. When we only think about for the betterment of Sikhi we will unite and face our internal and external enemies. Only then we will be able to have a solution.

P.S. - S1ngh is not a taksali. He is not an AKJ either.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Kala Afgana is wrong on certain things but he doesn't reject the Amrir Sanchar. People been feeding you wrong info.
Everyone belives in naam, it is that their definition of naam is different.
For me, all of Gurbani is naam, not just one word.

As for ptaasas, there were no ptaasas during the times of Guru Sahib. Some nihungs say Mata Sahib Deva started the process of adding ptaasas. Bhai Kaan Singh Nabha also says that some chardi kala Gursikhs have told him that ptaasas weren't added in previous times. Panthic maryada says to put them in so it will stay that way and this is what we must promote as it is what Panthic maryada says.
Some people reject all of dasam granth because of the stuff it says in portions like tria chariters, 24 avatar, etc. but they can be convinced to accept Banis like Jaap Sahib, Swayas, etc.
Akaal Takht is being run by people like Vedanti and crew and a lot of them are from taksal so those guys changed the maryada at Akaal Takht too. They can't change the maryada themselves.
Reason for 5 pauris Anand Sahib in Amrit sanchaar was because a lot of rehatnamas said 5 pauris Anand Sahib.
Rehatnamas differ on Amrit Sanchar banis.
As for morning nitneim, almost all reatnamas says to Japu Jaap uchar in the morning so that is why Panthic maryada says Jaap Sahib and Japuji Sahib. Swayas have been added so it isn't an issue as Panth made the maryada.
Here is what rehatnamas says to read as morning nitenim.
Bhai Desa Singh - Morning: Japu and Jaap
Bhai Nand Lal Singh - Japu and Jaap
Bhai Prehlad Singh - Japu and Jaap
Bhai Daya Singh - Japu and Jaap

Bhai Sahib did provide references but he did mistranslations to prove his point. If we want to mistranslate, I can say anything and prove anything.

"I don't know of any mistakes Bhai Sahib made or if he ever lied so AKJ opposing Bhai Sahib on no grounds make no sense."
- Promoting 5 banis in morning when Panth has decided 3.
- Wetdream during Akhand Paath
- Sachkhand at a special location
- Opposing the jhatka tradition
- Bhagats being stuck in karam khund
- Bhagats being alive during times of Guru Nanak Ji
- Sarabloh
- Bibek

As for Amrit Sanchar Banis based on rehatnamas, I will post them later.