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Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 1 Sabad 2 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੧ ਸਬਦ ੨

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    Sukẖmanī sukẖ amriṯ parabẖ nām. Bẖagaṯ janā kai man bisrām. Rahā▫o.
    Bliss of mind, comforts, the essence is in the understanding of creator. Resides in the mind of the humble followers.
    Parabẖ kai simran garabẖ na basai. Parabẖ kai simran ḏūkẖ jam nasai.
    In creator’s understanding, one loses attachment to life. In creator’s understanding, hurting and visions of death dissipate.
    Parabẖ kai simran kāl parharai. Parabẖ kai simran ḏusman tarai.
    In creator’s understanding, fear of death is eliminated. In creator’s understanding, enemies don’t persist
    Parabẖ simraṯ kacẖẖ bigẖan na lāgai. Parabẖ kai simran an▫ḏin jāgai.
    In creator’s understanding, life does not run into obstacles. In creator’s understanding, one is always in awareness
    Parabẖ kai simran bẖa▫o na bi▫āpai. Parabẖ kai simran ḏukẖ na sanṯāpai.
    In creator’s understanding, fear cannot control oneself. In creator’s understanding, there is no anguish from any malady
    Parabẖ kā simran sāḏẖ kai sang. Sarab niḏẖān Nānak har rang. ||2||
    The creator’s understanding comes in company of pious. Guru Nanak, all treasures are realized in the understanding of the creator
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    Please note all errors are mine and I stand corrected.

    Humbly submitted per great suggestions. I am still finalizing formatting, presentation and such so please provide inputs if issues with fonts, layout and of course content.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     

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    Ambarsaria ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Exactly. This second Shabad shows how being plugged in to Ik Ong Kaar not only has its benefits but all the stumbling blocks turn into stepping stones to continue this Gurmat journey of ours.

    Thanks. Very well expressed.

    Regards

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    Tejwant Singh ji thank you for your pro-active support.

    Affirmations and comments are very important to me so that I don't go astray.

    Sat Sri Akal
     
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    Veer Ji I solemnly affirm that no contradictions come to mind and more power to your elbow and all that jazz.
     
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    I don't think you will go astray Ambarsariaji, you seem extremely 'connected' at present
     
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    very nice ,,i have read sukhmani sahib before ,,but i m reading first time with translation
    thanks
     
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    AMBARSARIA Ji,
    I feel that in the Tuk of Rahaa-u What is Sukhmanee it is well defined as

    sukhmani=SUKH...MANI and
    MANI=AMrit Prabh Naamu

    Now you consider Prabh as Creator is O.K.as per Gurbani.But the meaning of
    Amrit NaaMu as essence of understanding should be looked into.Simce the word NAAMu is very specific Singular reference.
    I think that the meaning of AMrit PRABH NAAMu as per words should be 'Specfic Ambrosia word of praise of CREATOR"
    I think that the words essence and understanding are more related to abstract nature of entity.But in Gurbani Any ENTITY is REAL in terms of references for the CREATOR

    Similarly the meaning of the word SIMRAN is related to the process of recollecting in Memoryand therefore a more appropriate word for SIMRAN can be considered as REMEMBRANCE.
    Further the use of the word understanding along with rememrance can be more meaningful that I personally feel.
    These are my personal views and suggestions only.
    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    I have often felt that within all of us lies our 'true' personality, the pure personality that was gifted to us by Creator, to me this indicates the verification that if we follow Guruji's teachings then we will be able to be that 'true' person rather than the 'untrue' people we can end up being by just being 'ourselves'
     
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    Prakash.s.bagga ji perhaps we can review the following,


    ਸੁਖਮਨੀ
    Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਆਨੰਦ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਇੱਕ ਬਾਣੀ,(A bani that gives bliss to mind.) ਜੋ ਗਉੜੀ ਰਾਗ ਵਿੱਚ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀਰਚਨਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ੨੪ ਅਸਟਪਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ. ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕਾ ਦੂਖ ਨਿਵਾਰੈ, ਦੁਲਭ ਦੇਹ ਤਤਕਾਲਉਧਾਰੈ, ਦੂਖ ਰੋਗ ਬਿਨਸੇ ਭੈ ਭਰਮ, ਸਾਧ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਤਾਕੇ ਕਰਮ, ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚ ਤਾਕੀ ਸੋਭਾਬਨੀ,ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਗੁਣਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ.(Guru Nanak these characteristics defines name Sukhmani) (ਸੁਖਮਨੀ).
    Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

    ਨਾਮੁ

    Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary
    ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ (ਸ਼ਬਦਾਰਥ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ। (2)ਪ੍ਰਭੂ, ਹਰੀ। (Creator)(3) ਨਾਂ। (Name) ਉਦਾਹਰਣ: ਅੰਧੈਨਾਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਏਹ ਨ ਓਹੁ॥ {ਸਿਰੀ ੧, , ੧*:੨ (15)}। ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁਹੋਇ॥ {ਜਪੁ ੧, ੧੨:੫ (3)}। ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਲਾਹੀਐ ਹਉਮੈ ਨਿਵਰੀ ਭਾਹਿ॥ {ਸਿਰੀ ੧, ੧੭, ੧*:੨ (20)}। ਦੂਖੁ ਸੰਤਾਪੁ ਨ ਲਗਈ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਰ

    Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia
    ਦੇਖੋ, ਨਾਮ. "ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ". (ਜਪੁ)। (2) ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ, "ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪਿਆ". (ਬਾਵਨ).
    Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

    ਨਾਮ
    Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. नामन्. ਫ਼ਾ. __ ਦੇਖੋ, ਅੰ. name. {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਨਾਉਂ. {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਕਿਸੇ ਵਸਤੂ ਦਾਬੋਧ ਕਰਾਉਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਸ਼ਬਦ. ਜਿਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਅਰਥ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ, ਸੌ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ. ਨਾਮ ਦੇ ਮੁੱਖ ਭੇਦਦੋ ਹਨ- ਇੱਕ ਵਸਤੂਵਾਚਕ, ਜੈਸੇ- ਮਨੁੱਖ ਬੈਲ ਪਹਾੜ ਆਦਿ. ਦੂਜਾ ਭਾਵ ਵਾਚਕ, ਜੈਸੇ-ਸੁੰਦਰਤਾ, ਕਠੋਰਤਾ, ਭਲਮਨਸਊ, ਭਰੱਪਣ ਆਦਿ. "ਨਾਮ ਕਾਮ ਬਿਹੀਨ ਪੇਖਤ ਧਾਮ ਹੂ ਨਹਿਜਾਹਿ". (ਜਾਪੁ)। (2) ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ "ਨਾਮ" ਕਰਤਾਰ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਬੋਧਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਭੀਹੈ, (Name of creator and creator's directive) ¹ ਯਥਾ- "ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਸਗਲੇ ਜੰਤ। ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਖੰਡ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ". (ਸੁਖਮਨੀ)। (3) ਸੰ. ਨਾਮ. ਵ੍ਯ- ਅੰਗੀਕਾਰ। (4)ਸਮਰਣ. ਚੇਤਾ(Remembrance) (5) ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧੀ. ਮਸ਼ਹੂਰੀ. [¹ਬਾਇਬਲ(Bible) ਵਿੱਚ ਇਸੇ ਨੂੰ Word ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ.]
    Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

    Veer ji I take "AMrit" as "pure extract". For liquids it has one name, for solids it has another name and for gases it has another name. Amongst all the only common part is that it is the essence that such represents.
    The connotation of ambrosia is very irrelevant and we cannot change common understanding of it being "food of the Gods" and since there are no God(s) in Sikhism and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we cannot use this term without the danger of mis-leading the most vulnerable and gullible amongst us.


    Prakash.s.Bagga ji your suggestion about "understanding along with remembrance". Understanding never stops and continues to accumulate and understanding implies that one remembers what was understood before.

    Humbly submitted and stand corrected.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Parkash Singh ji,

    Guru Fateh:

    You write:


    I have a different take on that. Please allow me to share my 2 cent worth.

    As we all know Rahao is like the nectar of the flower and the other verses act as its petals to compliment it and of course to protect the nectar.

    So what does the Rahao pangti say?

    Sukẖmanī sukẖ amriṯ parabẖ nām. Bẖagaṯ janā kai man bisrām. Rahā▫o.
    Bliss of mind, comforts, the essence is in the understanding of creator. Resides in the mind of the humble followers.


    I will take the last line first: ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮ ਰਹਾਉ Bẖagaṯ janā kai man bisrām. Rahā▫o.

    The compound noun Mann Bisram means- found a place to stay for good. In other words etched in our body, mind and spirit or inner permanent dwelling.

    What is etched in a Sikh's body, mind and spirit?

    ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸੁਖ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਨਾਮੁ Sukẖmanī sukẖ amriṯ parabẖ nām.

    The teachings of Gurbani which is -Dhur ki Banni- so that our peaceful mind -sukhmani- can breed goodness within to make our lives better and share this goodness with others.


    Calling the word Simran remembrance is a misnomer in my opinion because one is not capable of forgetting the omnipresence. If one did, then it defeats the purpose of omnipresence. If Gurbani message is etched in our body, mind and soul then, it becomes our second nature, like breathing and Gurbani talks about it. So,"recollecting in Memory" becomes meaningless and irrelevant in this case.

    Once one understands and practices the Guru's message, then memory acts like a filing cabinet. Nothing more.

    Thanks & regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Now I think you will realise where the understanding of Gurbani is in deviation from the true essence of understanding and this needs to be reviewed and rectified accordingly.
    I personally dont agree with the meanings of the words NAAMu and NAAM as given in Gurmukhi dictionary or Mahankosh.We should be absolute clear about the meaning s of words NAAMu and NAAM and we also have the word NAAMAA. In fact NAAMu is everything in Gurbani so it is a word of great significance.This is NAAMu as RAAM NAAMu/HARiNAAMu solely advocated for SIMRAN in Gurbani.
    What I observe in Gurbani is that for NAME ,the word should essentially a SINGLE WORD. Whereas NAAMu being a COLLECTIVE NOUN and is always refered by a PAIR of Two Singular word.
    AS an example The word GOBINDu is a NAME and is SIGULAR and NAAMu corresponding to word GOBINDu is <GOBINDu.GOBINDu>
    So in this fashion all Noun words as NAME can be NAAMu if used as PAIR of the NAME word.
    Now you can say there are as many NAAMy as NAME words ..right but inspite of innumerable NAAM there is great significance of RAAM NAAMu/HARiNAAMu or GURMATi RAAM NAAMu .Gurbani lays emphasis on this NAAMu for everything.
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    WORD "AMRIT"
    I do agree there is no role of GOD/GODDES for taking the meaning of the word AMRIT as "Food for GOD".
    This word has intinsic meaning as Elixir of life.The word is an Adjective
    We should definitely found a maning of the word commensurate with Gurbani concepts.I feel we should get clear and specfic meaning of the words rather than use abstract meaning of the word.I feel making use of abstract meanings of the words will not do any justice to the interpretation as a whole.

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    UNDERSTANDIND and REMEMBRANCE what should come first again this should be looked deep into Gurbani .
    As such I am a poor elaborator in English language which you can make out and correct accordingly.

    You have really got this opprotunity to come with such an interpretation which meets all possible requirements of Gurbani understanding.
    I think we have togo a long journey but we should keep in mind 'VITA BREVIS ARS LONGA.
    With best wishes
    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Prakash.s.bagga ji thanks for your post. I did not know the phrase 'VITA BREVIS ARS LONGA', so I post below so others may connect as well,

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    Ars longa, vita brevis Origin

    The translation into Latin of part of a quotation by the Greek 'Father of Medicine' - Hippocrates.

    Meaning

    This is one of those rare phrases in which the meaning is more debated than the origin. What is usually understood by Ars longa, vita brevis is something along the lines of 'art lasts forever, but artists die and are forgotten'.
    That is questioned by some, who say that it is a misinterpretation based on a misunderstanding of the translation of 'ars' as 'art'. If we accept that the Latin term 'ars' is equivalent to the Greek 'techne' and that, consequently, 'ars' is better translated into English as 'skill' or 'craft', we may opt to interpret the phrase differently. The full quotation, in Latin, is
    "Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum, iudicium difficile."
    This can be rendered into English as 'life is short, the art (craft/skill) long, opportunity fleeting, experiment treacherous, judgment difficult'.
    That would lead us to interpret the meaning as 'it takes a long time to acquire and perfect one's expertise (in, say, medicine) and one has but a short time in which to do it'.

    Sat Sri Akal
     
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    Thanks,I stand corrected for the same.
    Prakash.s.Bagga
     
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    Sat Sri Akaal,


    Amrit : is immortal, and opposite of mortal,
    Mrit: Mar Jaan Waal
    Amrit Na Maaran Waala

    Birth and Death not relates to physical being

    Thoughts which come and go, dual thoughts

    One accepts universal creator, and imbibe universal thoughts and stores in one mind, and
    shed all thoughts formed by humans, they are temporary.

    Just like for analogy, word Gravity is universally present and accepted, though gravity may disappear, but creator never, hold universal thoughts.


    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
    Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
     
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    Sat Sri Akaal,

    Not denying meaning of
    "Amrit" as Pure and Pious as opposite to "Vish"

    But in the reference to contest word "Amrit" as "immortal" is used.

    "Amrit" is also used for holy water.
    "Amrit" is also used for word
    "Amrit" is also used for "GURU's BANI"
    "Amrit" is also used in sports

    One shall break the bounds/concept of language/region/religion/time to get the
    usage in right contest.

    Bounds create barrier while learning or refer all languages.

    As the word used are from different regions/religions/languages/time etc in which
    mind gets bound.


    Waheguru Ji Ki Khalsa
    Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
     

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