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Stealing At Work

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by Gurdas93, Feb 6, 2016.

  1. Gurdas93

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    Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
    Waheguru ji ji Fateh

    Sangat ji, das is in big stress right now and is hoping you guys give me a solution. I work at a hotel owned by a Punjabi family and the manager there is one of my relatives. I am the only employee that works at the front desk apart from my manager and his wife. I have seen the manager keep the cash money to himself and not post it into register. I have seen him take thousands and he knows that I know he steals. I don't feel it's right that he is stealing all this money from the owners of the hotel and he spends it all in casinos. Should I tell the owners or should I just sit quietly because I'm not the one stealing or get robbed.
     
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    What does your conscience tell you to do, jio?

    It must be a difficult situation for you. Especially if your manager is in a position to fire you if you report him.

    What would Guru Ji do if he knew someone was stealing?
     
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    sit quietly and see if he will split it with you if you keep quiet?
     
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    As you are a subordinate and a relative are you sure that they could be maybe covering for your tracks and as a superior taking the flack for your inadequacy and performance to keep you in a position. You seem like an unscrupulous character as you are trying to validate your own validity of persecution. Otherwise why are you on here asking for advice on such a simple issue you should already positively know the answer for.
     
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    The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing

    Edmund Burke
     
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    Yeh will let the guy take the flack or don't let the guy take the flack that's your decision; I guess his probably got kids and family so think indepth if the issue can be resolved in another manner if you care but if I was a superior and I miss performed I wouldn't mind taking my punishment. Having said that though if in the future my own situation changed I may view things with a different response. It's what you think is right. If I did something terribly wrong that the entire world thought was wrong but I thought that my actions where justifiable and right considering any circumstances I would say yeh I did that and deal with the consequences I don't hide from my problem's. Even if I was totally wrong and it meant me losing everything I ever had; I'd say yeh I did that and deal with it, but that's just me not being very one way thinking as people follow there own paths in life. I'd rather be classed a complete animal and lunatic even as a sacrifice to empower a courageous response back an have people respect me then live cowering under some guise of stupidity that neither I or any other human could understand. Like I said if the theft is an issue beyond recognition it's about how you feel about a burden and if you as the complainer can resolve the issue making you superior in your position or leaving it for someone else to impose there own resolution. It may workout beneficial to you if you show your own managerial skills in being able to resolve the issue and be rewarding at a future event as reference for your results. Personally I think that if a response is justifiable then you have to look at the measure. I mean if someone took money from me without the intention of return I would obviously look for a stronger measure to influence my decision a bit like a bank dependant on the situation an scenario at hand. Let's say that I owed the bank £2.50 but I hadn't repaid the amount over a period the bank then adds a fictional charge called interest as a measure to secure the severity and penalty for enforcement of a payment which is further applied to resolve the dispute of a cost. It seems like a situation dependant on the level of permission clearance required. When you work somewhere you are owed finance. I'm not condoning it but only you can judge that situation. From my own perspective all I'm saying is that sometimes you need to give a bit of time to resolve issues you can jump the gun and think differently if you like but unless its an act of timing and consistency, an for your own piece of mind why would you ruin someone's life; unless the company is forced to go bankrupt. Peaceful existance. Nobody is perfect. Common sense though really.
     
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    I respect your ability to see all possibilities and eventualities hugely, few are able to do this, most have a moral compass that is geared as to what is socially acceptable and what is socially seen as correct.

    However, in my opinion, once one has chewed the fat regarding this, one still has to make the correct action, the only difference being an understanding as to what consequences that action will bring, and the ability to try help with that consequence
     
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    Yeh I guess sometimes it's okay to jump the gun! God bless you deserve it too! You do realise that I mean Hari as in God and not as harry ji as in your good accountable nature of course. Saints hay! At least my own opinion is real. Do you realise Harry that in 35 yrs a person can commit murder and rape and be able to walk freely to envisage a family life in the UK but if you are totally innocent and uniquely outstanding you cannot even get a decent girlfriend. United Kingdom hay disgracefully they are indebted to humanity. What can you do when you live in a world that is intent on selling it's self respect instead of conservation of self respect. Currency rupee or whatever format of standard you are dealing with when it comes to finance it is a matter of choice rather then depravation of ethical standard's of living. It's saddening that we cannot all afford to be as good as sterling (it's what I would have said in the past, but it's a currency that is currently a disgrace on my name. At least with the punt you knew were you stood as a punter I always thought that the sterling was a more respective authority to live with). Hopefully this helps. Waheguru ji ki khalsa. Waheguru ji ki fathe!
     
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    The clue is in the "casino" bit as the OP states, If the manager is stealing to fund a gambling fix then it is wrong one could almost agree with his actions if it was to support his family but in that scenario I would look for a better paying job, And if he is a Singh then surely he is comitting two misdeeds gambling and theft. If it was my work collegue I would give him one last chance to stop his theivery then the next time I would report him

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    I'd say report him in that scenario too. In any circumstance if there senior management they probably already know the score and as a lower level employee you could lose your job and get laughed at. Bold lol. Honestly honesty is always the best policy especially when he obviously isn't making enough on a job so he must obviously have nothing to lose. Also as he is senior management do you not think he may have more information on how the system runs and maybe the company could effectively be indebted to the employee. Choose wisely you do not wish to be degraded for someone else's issues and problems. From a third party perspective on your query; a business however small or big in structure it's main organizational issue is finance so if they are down on takings or stealing as you ensure I'm certainly sure they would be knowledgeable about it as it's what the entire thing is based on, and would most certainly make there own independent enquiries not just that the third parties support mechanism like billing and suppliers would probably make a complaint before you make an opponent for a relationship you should normally be able to standby. So as you asked for advice I'm just wondering if you really know what you are talking about before you over step a subordinate role. That's all. My biggest worry would be the work ethic of your company. What type of company could possibly entrust its greater success of its future in people that use a subordinate mechanism which could be the root and cause of the companies problem's as there is no structural sensitivity based on receiving coherent and correct information as clearly you have issues with trust on relationships that don't involve finance either how do you expect them to ensure any greater success and support from you or your senior. It's the value mechanism you are using to weigh up your own future too. That would be my concern how do you wish to proceed with a progressive action plan I leave for you to ponder. God bless you child of applications.
     
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    Guru Fateh brother,

    What does your conscience tell you?

    One approach would be to confront the manager privately about the theft and allow him to reform himself willingly and correct his wrongs.

    Failing that, reporting the crime would be the next step.

    Of course there may be repercussions, such as retaliation, you might lose your job, etc. Think all these things through before taking any action, and make sure that these outcomes are acceptable to you (i.e that you can live with it and will consider it as worth it for telling the truth and doing the right thing).

    Best thing might be to ask Guru Sahib for guidance if you have any doubt.

    [AoG]
     
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