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Spirit, God, Soul -- I don't believe in it

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by S|kH, Mar 2, 2006.

  1. S|kH

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    Plenty of times, either as excuses or not, people tend to claim that one must search the "inner" being before keeping our physical appearance (Kesh), or that the physical appearance is no longer a necessity.

    One often brings up how a person doesn't need an outside, and "God" can see all of our actions, and that they are pure in their hearts, and thats all that matters.
    Both, go hand in hand, and make-up our complete self.

    Here is an essay I would like to share with everyone that addresses this issue head-on :

    I think Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind had come across this realization before, that is why we grow hair, because it exists, because its given to us. That is why we treat our bodies correctly, because they are APART of the mind/soul. We are APART of God, it is the inner-self and the outer-self. We obtained 5 K's to help us take care of our outer-self. We obtained the Guru Granth Sahib to soothe both parts.
    One must take care of both, not just the inner-self.

    Anyways, discuss the article here.
     
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  3. Anoop

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    I have been throught the exact knowledge of what you are saying. I am not a pure sikh, i have hair cut. I am always wondering, how do i get motivated in life. The only way is to belive in god. But then, i get depressed thinking about where god is. God is the truth, what really exists and is existing. It is like going back to the origin for human beings. When we think of god being external, we go over the limit, thinking we can do anything and we are powerful, however that doesn't last long. The next step i took was to belive that if god is the truth, and prevails everywhere because nothing can exists without the truth (origin), i then started to search for god by meditating. I keep saying that god is inside of me. But it is very hard, because i need to hair uncut hair to make myself perfect, and true. I am not true to my self because i am afrai of how i will look if i had kesh. I am not letting my truth go outside. We still have a egoism in us when we think of god being in us. We have to realise that, to be stronger and true, the only way is be play god everywhere, not just inside. Then i think about the soul. We cant just say that the soul is god. We do not know our limitations. I do not know if my soul gives me limitations, or it makes me stronger? Does the soul mean you have limitations, or does it mean you can tackle anything.
     
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    Anup ji

    Its all in your mind, Human nature is something that we do what we want to because we don't have control over our mind.
    As you mentioned you want to stop cutting your hairs but you are scared of your looks. See , you are basically doing what ever your mind want you to do .
    But as said in gurbani " Maan Jeeta Jaag jeet". If you can win your mind you can win this world. Lot of ill feelings like Kaam , Krodh,lobh , moh hankar comes in our mind but we should have control over these. If you will ask how can we have control over this. the answer is gurbani. If you regularly meditate in the name of god .. do your Nit Nem .. you can have control over your mind. Believe me, you will be able to stop cutting your hair and win over your mind.

    Like some body said "Where there is will, there is way".

    Guru Fateh
    Sikandar Singh
     
  5. Anoop

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    Brother Sikandar Singh, do you mean that god is bascially what really exists. Because i still quite puzzled about what you have written before.
     
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    Dear Anoop


    As Understanding given to me by god

    In sikhism The God has not been told to be outside or related to soul or something like that !!

    Actually their is nothing except , each and every thimg you can see , feel, disscuss or just even think of is god
    I mean absolutely only go is present and nothing else ever exist or can exist !!

    So Why do we some time assosiate godd with the inner seld or soul?????


    well for human creation to understand the concept of God /or Realise god lies in this theme that nothing exist except god

    BUt to start with understanding this concept thhe self or the body of the human is nearest to him and is bautiful gift of god , and every human mind or intellect spends the maximum tim eof his life with it , so this becomes the first thing to realise god and here come the meditation and understanding inner self

    In sikhism it starts from the self ( which includes soul /body) and then the understanding extends to the all cosmos
    I mean to start with one relises god within self and and then within whole cosmos each and every atom o fthe universe and there is no place left for the ego to exist

    So dont feel bad or disheartened about being mot complete sikh as every thing is in the hand od AKAL( god)
    And if you have feeling to understand god then surely God will help you in this work as he present everywhere and also this the most valuable work that Human can do in their life time

    So Cheer up as it is really fascinationg and adventures journey
    Start reading gurbani and try to understand Guru JI s Word Akal Will definately giude you and that day will definately come when you will be Puran Sikh with realisation of god inside and outside of you and each and every atom of the universe


    May Akal Bless YOu


    Jatinder Singh
     
  7. Anoop

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    Brother Jatinder Singh, i think i understand where you are going with this. Very good theory, and it is absolutely true. God is everywhere, so we havent got anything to fear. Infact, i think your trying to say that, we are god, but there is no ''we'' in us. God is us in whole. Its like we are one but with so many eyes looking at ourselves. We are one looking at ourself. This means to say that, we have no fear of death. This is just a drama. But its very hard to learn this. Especially by thinking about it, it is easy, but somehow hard at the same time to understand.
     
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    The soul-bride is never complete until she meets with her husband, the Lord God in the 'afterlife.'
     
  9. skeptik

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    The obvious answer is that in the Gurus times saintly men grew beards, and so too would the Guru's Saints. The hindu saints had a jura and so too would the Sikh saints. This distinguished the Sikh as a saintly man - to either a hindu or a muslim, or a jew or a christian. These faiths too , in conservative fashion yield to this symbolism of long hair and turban.

    Any more discussion, especially about souls and spirits and so on is largely conjecture, and cannot be justified with reason, because it invokes supernatural explanation.

    hope this helps veer :)
     

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