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Islam Some Info About Shias For Caramel Chocholate

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Oh i do have opinions its just you keep dragging the same point along. FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM AND IS A GREAT SIN. READ ABOUT THE PROPHEY LUT IN THE QURAN AND THAT SHOULD ANSWER ANY QUERIES ON THE SUBJECT.
 
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READ ABOUT THE PROPHEY LUT IN THE QURAN AND THAT SHOULD ANSWER ANY QUERIES ON THE SUBJECT.

Dear Muslim, would you be kind enough to reproduce the prophecy for the benefit of readers ? Thanks
 

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The Story of Prophet Lut 'alayhis-salaam
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Prophet Abraham peace be upon him left Egypt accompanied by his nephew Lut peace be upon him, who then went to the city of Sodom (Sadum), which was on the western shore of the Dead Sea.
This city was filled with evil. Its residents waylaid, robbed and killed travelers. Another common evil among them was that men had sex with men instead of with women. This unnatural act later became known as sodomy (after the city of Sodom). It was practiced openly and unashamedly.
It was at the height of these crimes and sins that Allâh revealed to Prophet Lut peace be upon him that he should summon the people to give up their indecent behavior, but they were so deeply sunk in their immoral habits that they were deaf to Lot's preaching. Swamped in their unnatural desires, they refused to listen, even when Lot warned them of Allâh's punishment. Instead, they threatened to drive him out of the city if he kept on preaching.
Allâh the Almighty revealed: The people of Lot (those dwelt in the towns of Sodom in Palestine) belied the Messengers when their brother Lot said to them: "Will you not fear Allâh and obey Him? Verily! I am a trustworthy Messenger to you. SO fear Allâh, keep your duty to Him, and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it (my Message of Islamic Monotheism) my reward is only from the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). Go you in unto the males of the Alamin (mankind), and leave those whom Allâh has created for you to be your wives? Nay, you are a trespassing people!"
They said: "If you cease not, O Lot! Verily, you will be one of those who are driven out!"
HE said: "I am indeed, of those who disapprove with severe anger and fury your (this evil) action (of sodomy). My Lord! Save me and my family from what they do."
SO We saved him and his family, all except an old woman (this wife) among those who remained behind. (Ch 26:160-171 Qur'ân)
The doings of Lot's people saddened his heart. Their unwholesome reputation spread throughout the land, while he struggled against them. As the years passed, he persisted in his mission but to no avail. No one responded to his call and believed except for the members of his family, and even in his household, not all the members believed. Lot's wife, like Noah's wife, a disbeliever.
Allâh the Almighty declared: Allâh set forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands, by rejecting their doctrines) so they (Noah & Lut) benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allâh, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!" (Ch 66:10 Qur'ân)
If home is the place of comfort and rest, then Lut found none, for he was tormented both inside and outside his home. His life was continuous torture and he suffered greatly, but he remained patient and steadfast with his people. The years rolled by, and still not one believed in him. Instead, they belittled his message and mockingly challenged him: "Bring Allâh's Torment upon us if you are one of the truthful!" (Ch 29:29 Qur'ân).
Overwhelmed with despair, Lot prayed to Allâh to grant him victory and destroy the corrupt. Therefore, the angels left Abraham peace be upon him and headed for Sodom the town of Lut peace be upon him. They reached the walls of the town in the afternoon. The first person who caught sight of them was Lot's daughter, who was sitting beside the river, filling her jug with water. When she lifted her face and saw them, she was stunned that there could be men of such magnificent beauty on earth.
One of the tree men (angels) asked her: "O maiden, is there a place to rest?"
Remembering the character of her people she replied, "Stay here and do not enter until I inform my father and return." Leaving her jug by the river, she swiftly ran home.
"O father!" she cried. "You are wanted by young men at the town gate and I have never before seen the like of their faces!"
Lot felt distressed as he quickly ran to his guests. He asked them where they came from and where they were going.
They did not answer his questions. Instead they asked if he could host them. He started talking with them and impressed upon them the subject of his people's nature. Lot was filled with turmoil; he wanted to convince his guests without offending them, not to spend the night there, yet at the same time he wanted to extend to them the expected hospitality normally accorded to guests. In vain he tried to make them understand the perilous situation. At last, therefore, he requested them to wait until the night fell, for then no one would see them.
When darkness fell on the town, Lot escorted his guest to his home. No one was aware of their presence. However, as soon as Lot's wife saw them, she slipped out of the house quietly so that no one noticed her. Quickly, she ran to her people with the news and it spread to all the inhabitants like wildfire. The people rushed towards Lot quickly and excitedly. Lot was surprised by their discovery of his guests. and he wondered who could have informed them. The matter became clear, however, when he could not find his wife, anywhere, thus adding grief to his sorrow.
When Lot saw the mob approaching his house, he shut the door, but they kept on banging on it. He pleaded with them to leave the visitors alone and fear Allâh's punishment. He urged them to seek sexual fulfillment with their wives, for that is what Allâh had made lawful.
Lot's people waited until he had finished his short sermon, and then they roared with laughter. Blinded by passion, they broke down the door. Lot became very angry, but he stood powerless before these violent people. He was unable to prevent the abuse of his guests, but he firmly stood his ground and continued to plead with the mob.
At that terrible moment, he wished he had the power to push them away from his guests. Seeing him in a state of helplessness, and grief the guests said: "Do not be anxious or frightened, Lot for we are angels, and these people will not harm you."
On hearing this, the mob was terrified and fled from Lot's house, hurling threats at him as they left. The angels warned Prophet Lut peace be upon him to leave his house before sunrise, taking with him all his family except his wife.
Allâh had decreed that the city of Sodom should perish. An earthquake rocked the town. Iy was as if a mighty power had lifted the entire city and flung it down in one jolt. A storm of stones rained on the city. Everyone and everything was destroyed, including Lot's wife.
 
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This story is about men cheating on their wives and having sex in public. If homosexuality was wrong and forbidden then female homosexuality would have been mentioned too.
Muslim, you are very immature on this forum and ignorant, I am very dissapointed that you on this forum have shown your narrow-mindedness and inability to look at the lives of others.
Please tell me one thing, if homosexuality is a choice then why is the suicide rate so high for the gays... wouldn't they just turn straight and have no worries?
Face it, the arguments you use to back up your arguments are not good enough.
I really hope for your sake one of your kids turn out gay... [mind you, your homophobia would probably scare them into keeping it a secret forever].
And if homosexuality is wrong then why do gays exist ALL OVER THE WORLD? Even in ISLAMIC countries? My ex boyfriend was Muslim so I know how homophobic some Muslims can be... it is really a shame... but they had a smack in the face when they took him to a MUSLIM doctor who said homosexuality was NORMAL.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/al-fatiha-news/
 

muslim

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This story is about men cheating on their wives iwith other MEN. Homosexuality boils down to up bringing. If it isnt then why do we not find homosexual animals (animals only become homosexual when they are restricted to the same sex with no alternative). So why are they killing themselves if society is becoming more and more accpeting? a hundred years ago a person would be thrown in jail for being gay but today it is considered normal.

lol inshallah none of my children or any ones children becomes a homsexual.
"And if homosexuality is wrong then why do gays exist ALL OVER THE WORLD?" well just because something exist all over the world doesnt means its right? for example rape, murder, child molestation all exist over the world but hey maybe theyre right too. Hey what about sex with animals it that ok? where do we draw the line? Wow in islamic countires omg i never knew that? Oh you had a muslim boyfriend, kool and a muslim doctor said it was ok? hmm well i ask you are they really muslims? :hmm:
 
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muslim said:
Homosexuality boils down to up bringing.
You are wrong here because what about all the gay Muslims that are taught it is wrong to be gay.
And if homosexuality is down to upbringing then you are going against your choice argument because now that is implying that homosexuality is something psychological.

muslim said:
If it isnt then why do we not find homosexual animals (animals only become homosexual when they are restricted to the same sex with no alternative).
Do you have any proof to back up this argument?

muslim said:
So why are they killing themselves if society is becoming more and more accpeting? a hundred years ago a person would be thrown in jail for being gay but today it is considered normal.
Considered normal? Well not really... Go to any school and you will find that the term "gay" is used as an insult, and most gay kids do not even come out of the closet until they are in college.
Also, I was brought up with the assumption from my parents that I would always grow up, have a nice wife and that would be that. VERY rarely do parents say "hey you might be gay, that's ok!"
And also, the violence against gays is increasing.
If society is more accepting then why do we not see gay couples kissing and hugging in public? People would be disgusted and homosexuality is still treated by many as something that is too adult for the whole of society to constantly acknowledge.
There maybe more acceptance, but it is still VERY HARD to be gay in this world... and believe me as a gay myself I can vouch for this... and if you knew what I have gone through you must consider me a crazy coot for 'choosing' to be gay!!!

muslim said:
well just because something exist all over the world doesnt means its right? for example rape, murder, child molestation all exist over the world but hey maybe theyre right too. Hey what about sex with animals it that ok? where do we draw the line?
Sex with animals is wrong, rape is wrong, sex with children is wrong and sex with the mentally unfit is wrong... and why? Because they cannot/do not give full consent to sexual acts and cannot full understand the psychological, mental and physical logic and meaning behind it.

muslim said:
Wow in islamic countires omg i never knew that? Oh you had a muslim boyfriend, kool and a muslim doctor said it was ok? hmm well i ask you are they really muslims? :hmm:
Are you really Muslim? [please do not take offence to this]... but what makes one a Muslim? Well, I don't want to make this response long, but the Qu'ran is for mankind right? well, then you seem to be looking at the interpretations of scholars, which is what all Muslims seem to do, and it cannot be guaranteed that their interpretations are always right. I am STILL not convinced the rulings on homosexuality since the quotes used are not very clear and can have many meanings.
So as a Muslim, you should look for answers yourselves, not what others are saying.
To be honest, I will only every be persuaded by any religious authority if they can provide a quote that says "you shall not be attracted or love the same gender". Such a quote does not exist and therefore we have the right to debate about it and question it. For example, in a Hindu scripture called the Shikshapatri it says:
"One shall never eat meat, not even remnants of an offering in a sacrifice. One shall never drink liquor or alcohol even though they may be an offering to a deity." - Verse 15
Now this is a religious verse that I CANNOT debate the validity of since it is clear cut and not in poetical form. So this is a problem with interpretation I guess, scriptures are not clear cut.
Can I debate the validity of Allah being all knowing? NO, because it is clear cut in scripture:
"To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing." - 002.115
So this is why I am debating this with you, the issue will ALWAYS be around as NO RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURE is CLEAR CUT on the issue [of homosexuality].
 

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