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Islam Sikhs To Give Helping Hand To Muslims

Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by hps62, Jan 15, 2006.

  1. hps62

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    Dec 8, 2005
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    Dear brothers


    It is with sadness to see the woes the muslims are in.

    They are at war with every one on this planet namely.

    1. Themselves :- Shias vs sunnis in Iraq. Taliban vs rest of Afghanistan.

    2. Other religious groups such as the Christian and Hindu world.

    By embracing Sikhism they will be able to overcome many of there problems.

    As to reason why they must do this is

    1. Remember our beloved prophet :- Guru Granth Sahib enshrines the teaching of prophet. They will be able to still worship the great ALLAH.

    2. Secularism :- The word and concept did not exist in ancient societies . Sikhism enshrines this concept whole heartedly.

    3.Diversity:- There is diversity in the world created by ALLAH / GOD/ Bhagwan / :wah: . Sikhism shows full respect to this thought .This shall make you to appreciate diversity without being threatened from it. Shia vs Sunni battle in IRAQ would finish and they could live happily as Iraqis

    4 Friendliness :- Sikh are the friends of all the people on this planet .They have warm realtions with whole mankind . With the Hindu world they have very deep brotherly realtion and are very thick friends with the Christian world . As a result all your enemies in world would become your friends in one go .

    5 .Compassion :- Sikhs are very compassionate people including historically there enemy in battle field. This will be a added trait.

    6. Tolerance :- Sikhs are a very tolerant society. You will be able to enjoy the warmth of being a GLOBAL CITIZEN . They will be able to live in any society on this planet without the felling of being foregin.

    All of this may sound annoying to begin with but with pondering it will make sense.

    As for we Sikhs we have forgiven you for all the harshness and cruelties you have imposed over us for centuries.

    With luv

    Sarvat tha Bhalla

    :) hps62:)
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  3. drkhalsa

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    Dear Khalsa Ji

    I agree with you
    Incidently I came across beautiful Shabad Written exclusively for our Muslim brothers by our GuruJI
    The Important thing is By doing so Muslims Are not leaving there faith in Allah as this what our Guruji teaching them how to keep True faith in Allah

    ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਾਜੀ
    सचु कमावै सोई काजी ॥
    sach kamaavai so-ee kaajee.
    He alone is a Qazi, who practices the Truth.

    ਜੋ ਦਿਲੁ ਸੋਧੈ ਸੋਈ ਹਾਜੀ
    जो दिलु सोधै सोई हाजी ॥
    jo dil soDhai so-ee haajee.
    He alone is a Haji, a pilgrim to Mecca, who purifies his heart.

    ਸੋ ਮੁਲਾ ਮਲਊਨ ਨਿਵਾਰੈ ਸੋ ਦਰਵੇਸੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਧਰਾ ॥੬॥
    सो मुला मलऊन निवारै सो दरवेसु जिसु सिफति धरा ॥६॥
    so mulaa mala-oon nivaarai so darvays jis sifat Dharaa. ||6||
    He alone is a Mullah, who banishes evil; he alone is a saintly dervish, who takes the Support of the Lord's Praise. ||6||

    ਸਭੇ ਵਖਤ ਸਭੇ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਲਾ
    सभे वखत सभे करि वेला ॥
    sabhay vakhat sabhay kar vaylaa.
    Always, at every moment,

    ਖਾਲਕੁ ਯਾਦਿ ਦਿਲੈ ਮਹਿ ਮਉਲਾ
    खालकु यादि दिलै महि मउला ॥
    khaalak yaad dilai meh ma-ulaa.
    remember God, the Creator within your heart.

    ਤਸਬੀ ਯਾਦਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਦਸ ਮਰਦਨੁ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਸੀਲੁ ਬੰਧਾਨਿ ਬਰਾ ॥੭॥
    तसबी यादि करहु दस मरदनु सुंनति सीलु बंधानि बरा ॥७॥
    tasbee yaad karahu das mardan sunat seel banDhaan baraa. ||7||
    Let your meditation beads be the subjugation of the ten senses. Let good conduct and self-restraint be your circumcision. ||7||

    ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਜਾਨਹੁ ਸਭ ਫਿਲਹਾਲਾ
    दिल महि जानहु सभ फिलहाला ॥
    dil meh jaanhu sabh filhaalaa.
    You must know in your heart that everything is temporary.

    ਖਿਲਖਾਨਾ ਬਿਰਾਦਰ ਹਮੂ ਜੰਜਾਲਾ
    खिलखाना बिरादर हमू जंजाला ॥
    khilkhaanaa biraadar hamoo janjaalaa.
    Family, household and siblings are all entanglements.

    ਮੀਰ ਮਲਕ ਉਮਰੇ ਫਾਨਾਇਆ ਏਕ ਮੁਕਾਮ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਦਰਾ ॥੮॥
    मीर मलक उमरे फानाइआ एक मुकाम खुदाइ दरा ॥८॥
    meer malak umray faanaa-i-aa ayk mukaam khudaa-ay daraa. ||8||
    Kings, rulers and nobles are mortal and transitory; only God's Gate is the permanent place. ||8||

    ਅਵਲਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਦੂਜੀ ਸਾਬੂਰੀ
    अवलि सिफति दूजी साबूरी ॥
    aval sifat doojee saabooree.
    First, is the Lord's Praise; second, contentment;

    ਤੀਜੈ ਹਲੇਮੀ ਚਉਥੈ ਖੈਰੀ
    तीजै हलेमी चउथै खैरी ॥
    teejai halaymee cha-uthai khairee.
    third, humility, and fourth, giving to charities.

    ਪੰਜਵੈ ਪੰਜੇ ਇਕਤੁ ਮੁਕਾਮੈ ਏਹਿ ਪੰਜਿ ਵਖਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਪਰਪਰਾ ॥੯॥
    पंजवै पंजे इकतु मुकामै एहि पंजि वखत तेरे अपरपरा ॥९॥
    punjvai panjay ikat mukaamai ayhi panj vakhat tayray aparparaa. ||9||
    Fifth is to hold one's desires in restraint. These are the five most sublime daily prayers. ||9||

    ਸਗਲੀ ਜਾਨਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਮਉਦੀਫਾ
    सगली जानि करहु मउदीफा ॥
    saglee jaan karahu ma-udeefaa.
    Let your daily worship be the knowledge that God is everywhere.

    ਬਦ ਅਮਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਥਿ ਕੂਜਾ
    बद अमल छोडि करहु हथि कूजा ॥
    bad amal chhod karahu hath koojaa.
    Let renunciation of evil actions be the water-jug you carry.

    ਖੁਦਾਇ ਏਕੁ ਬੁਝਿ ਦੇਵਹੁ ਬਾਂਗਾਂ ਬੁਰਗੂ ਬਰਖੁਰਦਾਰ ਖਰਾ ॥੧੦॥
    खुदाइ एकु बुझि देवहु बांगां बुरगू बरखुरदार खरा ॥१०॥
    khudaa-ay ayk bujh dayvhu baaNgaaN burgoo barkhurdaar kharaa. ||10||
    Let realization of the One Lord God be your call to prayer; be a good child of God - let this be your trumpet. ||10||

    ਹਕੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਬਖੋਰਹੁ ਖਾਣਾ
    हकु हलालु बखोरहु खाणा ॥
    hak halaal bakhorahu khaanaa.
    Let what is earned righteously be your blessed food.

    ਦਿਲ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਮੈਲਾਣਾ
    दिल दरीआउ धोवहु मैलाणा ॥
    dil daree-aa-o Dhovahu mailaanaa.
    Wash away pollution with the river of your heart.

    ਪੀਰੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਭਿਸਤੀ ਸੋਈ ਅਜਰਾਈਲੁ ਦੋਜ ਠਰਾ ॥੧੧॥
    पीरु पछाणै भिसती सोई अजराईलु न दोज ठरा ॥११॥
    peer pachhaanai bhistee so-ee ajraa-eel na doj tharaa. ||11||
    One who realizes the Prophet attains heaven. Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death, does not cast him into hell. ||11||

    ਕਾਇਆ ਕਿਰਦਾਰ ਅਉਰਤ ਯਕੀਨਾ
    काइआ किरदार अउरत यकीना ॥
    kaa-i-aa kirdaar a-urat yakeenaa.
    Let good deeds be your body, and faith your bride.

    ਰੰਗ ਤਮਾਸੇ ਮਾਣਿ ਹਕੀਨਾ
    रंग तमासे माणि हकीना ॥
    rang tamaasay maan hakeenaa.
    Play and enjoy the Lord's love and delight.

    ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥
    नापाक पाकु करि हदूरि हदीसा साबत सूरति दसतार सिरा ॥१२॥
    naapaak paak kar hadoor hadeesaa saabat soorat dastaar siraa. ||12||
    Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head. ||12||

    ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮੋਮ ਦਿਲਿ ਹੋਵੈ
    मुसलमाणु मोम दिलि होवै ॥
    musalmaan mom dil hovai.
    To be Muslim is to be kind-hearted,

    ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਦਿਲ ਤੇ ਧੋਵੈ
    अंतर की मलु दिल ते धोवै ॥
    antar kee mal dil tay Dhovai.
    and wash away pollution from within the heart.

    ਦੁਨੀਆ ਰੰਗ ਆਵੈ ਨੇੜੈ ਜਿਉ ਕੁਸਮ ਪਾਟੁ ਘਿਉ ਪਾਕੁ ਹਰਾ ॥੧੩॥
    दुनीआ रंग न आवै नेड़ै जिउ कुसम पाटु घिउ पाकु हरा ॥१३॥
    dunee-aa rang na aavai nayrhai ji-o kusam paat ghi-o paak haraa. ||13||
    He does not even approach worldly pleasures; he is pure, like flowers, silk, ghee and the deer-skin. ||13||

    ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨਾ
    जा कउ मिहर मिहर मिहरवाना ॥
    jaa ka-o mihar mihar miharvaanaa.
    One who is blessed with the mercy and compassion of the Merciful Lord,

    ਸੋਈ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ
    सोई मरदु मरदु मरदाना ॥
    so-ee marad marad mardaanaa.
    is the manliest man among men.

    ਸੋਈ ਸੇਖੁ ਮਸਾਇਕੁ ਹਾਜੀ ਸੋ ਬੰਦਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਜਰਿ ਨਰਾ ॥੧੪॥
    सोई सेखु मसाइकु हाजी सो बंदा जिसु नजरि नरा ॥१४॥
    so-ee saykh masaa-ik haajee so bandaa jis najar naraa. ||14||
    He alone is a Shaykh, a preacher, a Haji, and he alone is God's slave, who is blessed with God's Grace. ||14||

    ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਕਾਦਰ ਕਰਣ ਕਰੀਮਾ
    कुदरति कादर करण करीमा ॥
    kudrat kaadar karan kareemaa.
    The Creator Lord has Creative Power; the Merciful Lord has Mercy.

    ਸਿਫਤਿ ਮੁਹਬਤਿ ਅਥਾਹ ਰਹੀਮਾ
    सिफति मुहबति अथाह रहीमा ॥
    sifat muhabat athaah raheemaa.
    The Praises and the Love of the Merciful Lord are unfathomable.

    ਹਕੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਸਚੁ ਖੁਦਾਇਆ ਬੁਝਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਬੰਦਿ ਖਲਾਸ ਤਰਾ ॥੧੫॥੩॥੧੨॥
    हकु हुकमु सचु खुदाइआ बुझि नानक बंदि खलास तरा ॥१५॥३॥१२॥
    hak hukam sach khudaa-i-aa bujh naanak band khalaas taraa. ||15||3||12||
    Realize the True Hukam, the Command of the Lord, O Nanak; you shall be released from bondage, and carried across. ||15||3||12||

    I dont mean to offend any Muslim Brother and I repeat that for a muslim becoming a sikh he does not need to change his faith as Sikh also have fiath in same AKAL/ALLAH

    Jatinder Singh
    #2 drkhalsa, Jan 15, 2006
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  4. devinesanative

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    Conversion from one religion to other religion doesn't solves the purpose .

    It is the attitude which is mainly responsible for ones own deeds .

    Many people in India thought that by embracing Christianity their standard will rise but nothing happened , Because their attitude towards life is same as was before .

    So , Muslims becoming sikhs won't solve the purpose , rather they will Talibanize the Sikhism .

    When they will do the bombings , then it will be the humble sikhs who get the punishments .

    If ones attitude is right then , whether he is muslim , hindu or sikh doesn't matters.
  5. drkhalsa

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    Dear DS ji

    What do you think is the reason of an particular type of Attitude in almost each and every human born in muslim Family?
    do you think that it is just coincidence that most of them have such attitide and they are muslim as well??
  6. devinesanative

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    Birds of a feather Flock together.

    So , are the muslims , not only muslims but every culture and religion and society .

    Every society is ruled and governed by (since the invention of religions) directly or indirectly by the Religious scriptures and its contents , which are written with two lethal weapons phylosophy and psychology.

    Some religious scriptures are written in a positive way but some are written in a negative way.

    When ever one borns in any society (following their respective religions) , subconsiously and consiously , the newborn gets automatically programmed that way .

    And the attitude gets developed that way .

    But , the above is not the only factor responsible for the attitude .

    There are also other factors , like habbits , food habits , diet , cultural upbringing , climatic conditions , genes etc.

    Its not that the attitude that muslims posses is only present in muslims , but you can find such type of people in other societies and religions also.
  7. devinesanative

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    Sep 11, 2005
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    As people say that to be a writer think like a writer , to be gentle man think like a gentle man , to be a rich man think like a rich man , so

    Here is suggestion , to know why muslims have such attitude ...

    Start thinking like them , and don't forget to read koran , I hope you will get the answer .
  8. drkhalsa

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    So this is what I think DS ji

    By changing the religion Attitude WILL change in many of the muslims and then it will help solving the problem
  9. devinesanative

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    But to change the thoughts which are deeply imprinted inside their brain is very difficult .

    Just Imagine if suppose someone preaches you to be a Hindu or christian or follow budhism or Taoism , will your original perception about sikh religion and the the gurus will allow you to do so .
  10. drkhalsa

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    Sep 16, 2004
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    Yes It is difficult but seems to be onlyway
    And the same has happened many times in history I mean conversions Millions of Muslims In India And even in middle east were coverted to Islam ,Same is true about about chrustianity they converted Millions in each and every continent

    And Sikhs as well , Most of sikhs today have Hindu or Muslim Background ( few generations back ) and under stand that we still have the signs of Hinduism like caste system lot of Good and valuable things have bee learned becoming a sikh

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