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UK Sikhs protest against sexual exploitation of community women by UK Muslims gangs

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    Sikhs protest against sexual exploitation of community women by UK Muslims gangs

    London , Sun, 01 Jul 2012 - ANI

    London, July 1 (ANI): Dozens of far-right English Defence League (EDL) have joined protests by radical Sikhs in the town of Luton, which is about 50 km north of London, furious about the way young women in their communities are being sexually exploited and groomed by British-Pakistani Muslims.

    The protest took place outside the Luton police station over the way the police was handling a case in which a young Sikh woman was beaten and sexually assaulted by a 'Muslim man', The Daily Mail reports.

    The EDL members, including leader Tommy Robinson and his right-hand man Kevin Carroll, wore a rumal, the traditional Sikh headscarf to signify their support for Sikhs.

    They brought traffic to a standstill, with female protesters laying down in the dual-carriageway that splits the town centre.

    "When the police fail to protect the community, when they fail to protect daughters, we have to protect them": Robinson said.

    "We live in a community where Muslim paedophile gangs are operating without police pressure. If a Sikh girl is attacked in Luton that is my problem because she is a member of my community," he added.

    Jasvinder Singh Nagra, of the Luton Gurdwara temple, said: 'Young girls of school and college age are being targeted by men from the Pakistani community.

    "They are duping them into believing they are in love and it all comes to grief because they are treated as sex toys," she added.

    "Before they know it they are with this man and then compromising photographs will be taken of her. She will be threatened with having these shown to her family and the fear of losing honour is a very powerful tool to make her do what the man wants," she added. (ANI)

    source: http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsd...n-of-community-women-by-UK-Muslims-gangs.html
     
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    Another case, yet again.
    This case is not isolated or one-off in any way, these episodes have been repeated many times all over the UK.
    Luton, is one of those places where these issues first started as one-offs maybe, back in late 80's, but they have continued and risen in frequency.

    I don't think anyone actually understands how extreme these muslim groomers are until it happens to someone in your family.

    They should have the death penalty for these extreme muslim groomers, and I mean that...
    -Peace-
     
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    Can someone please explain to me what 'groomed' means in this context please? Thank you in advance.
     
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    What we are talking about here is a little different and you may be surprised that this goes on. Infact anywhere else in the world it is unheard of, and only seems to occur in UK.

    The 'grooming' is similar to buying out, or changing the girls character to satisfy their own needs.

    A classic example that most people have heard of and how it may happen is-
    - first, some muslim guy(s) are targeting specific non- muslims, these may be sikh, hindu or white girls.

    - To overcome the 1st barrier, the muslim will pose as a non-muslim to get interest. ie. in the case of targeting sikh girl, the guy will give a false sikh name or nickname.
    Very common is that he will wear a 'kara' sikh bangle that 95% of sikh boys wear. This automatically falsely identiies him as a sikh boy to the girl.

    -Next, they will charm the girl, make her fall in love, take her places, buy her things- this is the official grooming.

    -once they have got control and stolen this girls heart, then the favours start.
    - Will demand money,sexual favours..etc..infact turn her against her own family.-
    -HOW can this happen, you may wonder ?
    -well, an element of fear is instilled as the relationship as in majority of indian relationships, is 'secret'.
    -This happens over a few years until the girl leaves home, get's married to them, converts to islam, is taken to pakistan and 'sold' or used as a sex slave.- normally they take the trip because the guy tells her they will marry over there, once there he deserts her and abandons her.

    -There are alot of cases, i've just given you a vague idea of how most grooming starts and what it leads to-

    Thanks
     
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    I might only know a tiny amount about Islam, but I'm thinking these guys aren't true Muslims - they just happen to be members of that community. :(

    The guys might be posing as Sikhs, but it begs the questions just how much do they know about Sikhi that they're able to convince the girls of their Sikh religion? Would a Muslim go to a Gurdwara "undercover" and matha tek??

    The first line of defence should be educating the young girls to the dangers!
     
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    Thanks i've heard of that before but amongst the Muslims. A pakistani guy will marry a muslim girl of a different nationality and take her back home and she ends up a slave. Happens alot in fiji.
     
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    Can't say that they're not Muslims. But they're badmash Muslims. There's so many stories. Not all like this but just as bad. You think i'd be the first one to defend them because my family is from Lahore but things have happened within my family and too people I know. You have to be so careful. It's not everyone but it's almost impossible to tell the good from the bad until you're in trouble.
     
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    Muslim or not I don't think their behaviour could be defended or accepted in any way. It's disgusting.
     
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    The problem is that these are bad people in general. It's not about religion, but these guys hang together in gangs and they all have islam in common. So, whatever they do wether it's robbing banks, rape or violence the label of 'muslim youths' will apply to make people aware they were not typical white brits. - This is media and how news is broadcast. Even if they were all jews or sikhs- the same labelling will happen.

    However, the numbers of these gangs have increased and are all over the UK. It's not as if it is one same gang working the streets nationally, but they are mostly not related in ways of operation but that the guys are commonly muslim.
     
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    Well , how about applying "Islamic Law" on these b@stards? I seriously mean it!!!

    If you apply Shari'a Law to their crimes...believe you me....their a$$es will get whooooppppppeddddd hard! ... Some of them would even end up getting their necks cut-off the body! Give REAL HARD punishment to few of them..the rest will not dare to do such thing ever again...

    The 'punishments' for such crimes in U.K are pretty easy...probably some years in prison and thats it....This is not enough...

    Plus : What is Pakistani community doing to fight this menace?
     
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    A paedophile is a paedophile.

    These are grown men trying to entrap school girls for their own lust.

    That is unnaceptable.

    The Police only act when it is white girls targeted. They don't care about non-white girls.
     
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    I was given to understand the girls involved were actually young women - college age?

    Do we have any information on the age of these females?

    It makes it no less of a betrayal of trust, but the question is, if they are young women they need to be able to think and take care of themselves. What is missing that they are falling into this trap?
     
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    incredible why they do that for money or as a religious vandetta. damn! perhaps indian parents should be guiding their daughters before hand might help
     
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    The age varies from 13/14 to late teens and early twenties. Normally it is students that are targeted, ie girls not working, so you can have a 21 year old student even!

    However, the main issue is the younger girls, as this is in boundaries of paedophilia. In these cases something could be done but often isn't, as with older girls, legally- not much can be done.
    But, like Randip ji said,- to the police it is just brown people abusing brown people- so they turn a blind eye.-This is the sad case in ethnic troubles from LA to Australia, they let the ethnics abuse or kill each other, as long as it doesn't affect white people.
     
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    Muslim clerics call muslim youths to have sex and convert sikh girls to islam. Make them from Kaur to Khan.....10 thousand british pound is paid to a muslim youth to convert a sikh girl. They are told to invite sikh girl over a drink and have sex wd them. make them pregnent and convert them.....by any means foul or fair.......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GKI3ocUhgwg#t=97s
     
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    So Muslim "Clerics" are calling for the pre-marial sex orgry? What a load of ********!

    You didn't give any credible source for your information...just a youtube rap song to prove your claim? Not enough.

    Plus , your video is full of sh!t , basically. All lies and propaganda against Islam. Not a good source to present it to your Sikh brothers/Sisters...

    This "Love Jihad" propaganda have been debunked time and time again. No credible cleric would allow such crap.

    10,000 pounds for one convert? Damn! I'm going to U.K and getting a Sikh girl to convert to Islam..done! lol
     
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    Auzer ji there will be a denial of such low level thoughts and opinions in an open forum. And there is no smoke without fire. Even if we remove the clerics directives and offer of payment (latter sounds a bit far fetched!), we cannot ignore that men are targeting young innocent girls, just to get back at their community, religion or country. It brings more shame to their own creed than anything.
     
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    1. Call To Muslims To Seduce Sikh Girls Into Islam

    http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/5724-call-muslims-seduce-sikh-girls-into.html

    2. THE TRUTH ABOUT CONVERSIONS:

    http://www.sikhlionz.com/hut.htm

    3. Sikh Times: Muslims accused of blackmail to make student girls convert

    http://sikhhelpline.com/uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=36

    4. ‘Forced’ Conversions in the British Sikh Diaspora
    http://www.sociology.leeds.ac.uk/assets/files/research/cers/final cers working paper katy.pdf
     
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    The full process of getting the girl and then it leading to a full abandon abroad where it will lead to a sex slave sale etc.. will incur the brit the 10 grand.
     
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    Sex grooming cases spark racial tensions in UK

    AP Jul 2, 2012, 12.08PM IST


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    ROCHDALE, ENGLAND: She was lonely in the way only an adolescent girl can be: No friends, no boyfriend, not much of a relationship with her parents. So she felt special when a man decades older paid attention to her, bought her trinkets, gave her free booze.

    Then he took her to a dingy room above a kebab shop and said she had to give something back in return. His demands grew: Not just sex with him, but with his friends. It went on for years, until police charged nine men with running a sex ring with underage girls.

    The story of Girl A, as she became known in court, is tragic by any measure, but it has also become explosive. Because there is no getting around it: The girls are white, and the men who used them as sex toys are Asian Muslims, mostly Pakistanis raised in Britain. And it's not just Rochdale -- roughly a dozen other cases of Asian Muslim men accused of grooming young white girls for sex are slowly moving to trial across northern England, involving up to several hundred girls in all.

    In today's Britain, which prides itself on being a tolerant and integrated society, the case has stripped away the skin to expose the racial sores festering beneath. It is also feeding an already raw anger against the country's Asian Muslim minority, in a movement led by far right groups at a time when the economy is stalled.

    "You can't get away from the race element," says prosecutor Nazir Afzal, a British Muslim with family roots in Pakistan who ended several years of official indifference to the girls' plight and finally brought the perpetrators to trial. "It's the elephant in the room."

    From a distance, Rochdale looks like a picture-perfect English city, with the 800-year-old Parish Church of St. Chad perched high above the streets, and the Victorian Gothic Town Hall just below, its clock tower resembling the one that houses London's Big Ben.

    Up close the flaws become clear. Like missing teeth in an otherwise sparkling smile, a fair number of downtown shops are boarded up, or have been turned into pawn shops or dueling "pound shops" where almost all items cost 1 pound ($1.60) or less.

    The Pakistani community started to grow half a century ago, when the town's cottons mills were flourishing. The newcomers, most of them from poor rural villages, were drawn by the promise of steady jobs and a chance to educate their children in English schools.

    A number of mosques became part of the skyline, particularly the showcase Golden Mosque, winner of several design awards. Today, Muslim men wearing beards and decorated caps and women in black robes and veils are a constant presence on the downtown streets.

    Nearly 1 million Pakistanis live in England - far more than in any other European country - with about 25,000 settled in the greater Manchester area that includes Rochdale. The government's equality commission reports that more than half of the Pakistanis in Britain live in poverty, far more than the general population, with just under 75 percent having no formal savings.

    They face hard times now. The closed shops are signs of a double-dip recession that has hit northern England harder than the more affluent south, which includes London, with its financial district and well-to-do suburbs.

    The mills have long since closed; the local newspaper trumpets gloom and doom: A tripling in the number of homeless, a sharp rise in youth unemployment, more people seeking housing benefits.

    Even the local McDonald's, long a fixture in the town center, has moved out.
    It was in this environment that Girl A lost control one summer night in 2008.

    After drinking heavily, the 15-year-old went to the kebab shop in nearby Heywood where she had first met her "boyfriend." She started screaming and busting the place up. When police were called, she told them she had been raped -- repeatedly -- and offered up her semen-stained underwear as proof.

    Greater Manchester Police detectives concluded the girl, who was below the age of consent, was telling the truth, but Crown Prosecution Service lawyers recommended against pressing criminal charges, reasoning that the jury might not believe a troubled, hard-drinking, sexually active young girl. The case was quietly dropped after an 11-month inquiry.

    The abuse intensified. The ring of predators grew; the circle of victims widened. Eventually there would be at least 47 victims or witnesses.

    The girl was driven around at night, forced to have sex with more and more men, sometimes up to five a day, in cars or restaurant backrooms or grubby apartments. The men threatened her if she complained. There seemed to be no escape.

    She was trapped in a secret world of sex acts that took place late at night when most people in Rochdale were safely tucked away in their homes.

    The Rochdale men do not fit the classic profile for sex offenders in Britain -- the majority of pedophilia crimes are committed by white men who target boys and girls via the Internet. However, there is a consensus among prosecutors, police, social workers and leading national politicians that "street grooming," which happened in Rochdale, is largely dominated by Asian men.

    Ella Cockbain, a University College of London crime science specialist, says research shows that mostly Asian men make up the big groups of offenders who work together. She chooses her words carefully because the sample size is small and the topic sensitive.

    "There are definite patterns emerging that would be foolish to ignore," she says.
    Mohammed Shafiq, a British Pakistani who directs the Ramadhan Foundation in Rochdale, has angered some in his own community by suggesting that police at first did not pursue the case aggressively for fear of appearing racist because of an obsession "with the doctrine of political correctness."

    Shafiq says that a "tiny minority" of Pakistani men feel white girls are worthless and immoral - and can be abused with impunity.

    "They know if they took someone from the Asian community, it pretty quickly is going to be found out," he says. "But those white girls are available, so they think they can get away with it."

    The men in the Rochdale sex ring were remarkable only in their ordinariness. They were part of British life, but on the fringes - the sort of people most Britons don't really notice when they pass them on the street.

    Many were taxi drivers, accustomed to working all-night shifts with long down time between fares, and they frequented the late-night kebab takeout shops offering familiar lamb, chicken and falafel dishes. Their cab stands and the kebab shops were often the only businesses that remained open after the bars closed.

    Most of the men were first or second generation Pakistanis raised mainly in Britain. Only one had faced previous sex charges: Ringleader Shabir Ahmed, at 59 the oldest in the group, who was accused of repeatedly raping a young girl in a separate case. Ahmed, known to the girls as "Daddy," was convicted of 30 counts of rape in that case last week.

    Some of the men had families and small businesses. The ring included Abdul Rauf, 43, who would later claim to have experience as a Muslim preacher, which local Islamic leaders dismiss as a total fabrication. A few had ongoing contacts with local politicians.

    The men were neither affluent nor dirt poor. They lived outwardly stable lives but had few obvious prospects for advancement.

    They were finally brought to justice after health workers reported a large increase in the number of underage girls in the Rochdale area claiming to have suffered sexual abuse. The next year, Afzal, the new regional chief of the Crown Prosecution Service, reversed the earlier decision by prosecutors and decided to press the case in court, with Girl A at its core.

    "It was a no-brainer," Afzal told the Associated Press. "She was immensely credible. And the police now had evidence of a wide network."

    Eleven men were charged with offenses ranging from rape to conspiracy, and police suspect more were involved. The men had such psychological power over the girls that even during the trial, one girl talked of a defendant as her boyfriend.

    Parliament has launched an inquiry based in part on reports that the abuse is far more widespread than originally thought. Afzal said his office is handling roughly a dozen other similar cases, including one that involves 13 men accused of operating a sex ring with 24 girls.

    Afzal says that as a Muslim he is sickened by the crimes.

    "Rape and alcohol and abuse are not part of Islam," he says. "Just because they have a beard and go to the mosque doesn't make them good Muslims."

    RACE AND RELIGION

    As the Rochdale trial reached court, the issue of race and religion burst into the open.

    One far-right protester carried a sign making reference to the meat favored by many observant Muslims because it meets strict religious guidelines. "Our girls are not Halal meat," the sign read.

    Inside the court, Ahmed, a key defendant, fought back hard. He accused the all-white jury of racism. He accused one girl of thinking whites were superior, and denigrated them all as greedy money seekers. And he accused white society of neglecting its girls and tolerating, even encouraging, bad behavior.

    "You white people train them in sex and drinking, so when they come to us they are fully trained," he said.

    The jury found nine men guilty and set two free. Judge Gerald Clifton articulated what many felt but were reluctant to say out loud when he accused the men of treating white girls as worthless because "they were not of your community or religion." Then he sentenced them to a total of 77 years in prison.

    The May verdict further polarized Rochdale. Pakistanis were horrified at the stigma on their community and enraged that the men claimed to be Muslim.
    "They are playing the Muslim card, pretending they are good Muslims, but they are not," says Irfan Chishti, who runs an educational program at one of the town's mosques. "This was a great sin under Islam. If Sharia law was in place, the punishment would be very severe."

    Even while he and other leaders of the Rochdale Council of Mosques were discussing the case, about 40 protesters from the far-right British National Party held an unauthorized rally on the nearby Town Hall steps. The far right has seized on the case, claiming that some British Pakistanis follow a code they believe is practiced in parts of the Islamic world that allows men to have sex with girls under 16.

    Louis Kushnick, founder of the race relations resource center at the University of Manchester, said it has become convenient for white residents - including those beyond the far-right movement - to blame Muslims for the sex crimes.

    "You hear people talking about this, and it becomes tied to Islam," he says. "People say they are Muslim men, they see women as inferior, they have contempt for white women, so it has nothing to do with the rest of us."

    That view overlooks all the problems that left the girls vulnerable in the first place, he says, citing a deficient school system and a government-backed child care regime riddled with neglect and abuse. And he says the prolonged economic downturn has intensified resentments, with whites and Asians competing for the same "crap" jobs.

    "Blaming the Muslims lets us avoid addressing these questions," he says. "Once we blame 'The Other,' we think we have an explanation that makes sense."
    Many in Rochdale are wary about discussing the case. Graduate student Heather Eyre, 25, says the trial has badly divided the city.

    "It shouldn't have mattered that they are Pakistani," she says of the abusers. "But it's stirred up hatred. Some say they should be deported, and some parts of the Asian community say the jury was racist. Then the far-right groups came in...this case has been good for the English Defense League."

    'WHAT THEY DID WAS EVIL'

    The girl who first told police about the abuse, now a young woman of 19, has moved out of the area. In a brief pooled interview before she withdrew from the public eye, she refused to call the crimes against her racial in nature, but said she was shocked Muslims would commit such acts.

    She said that in 2008, when the grooming began, there was no awareness of this type of crime involving Asian men and white girls.

    "Now it's going on everywhere," she said. "You think of Muslim men as religious and family-minded and just nice people. You don't think...I don't know...You just don't think they'd do things like that."

    When the abuse started, she said, she felt anger and shame, then became resigned and, finally, numb.

    "After a while it had been going for so long and so many different men that it became like I didn't feel anything towards it anymore," she said. "It just weren't me anymore. It just became something I had to do....Once you're in it, you're trapped. I just think what they did to me was evil."

    source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-02/uk/32507603_1_rochdale-pawn-shops-pakistanis
     

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