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Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by sachin0990, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. sachin0990

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    Is Sikhism different from Hinduism or it is separated
     
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  3. namjiwankaur

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    Sikhi was born and raised in an area where there were a lot of Hindus and Muslims. Because it speaks to those Hindus and Muslims who sometimes go astray or practice the rituals of their religion by rote, etc., there are sometimes connections made between the religions that don't really exist. There is a type of criticism of empty rituals and some are addressed to the Hindus and Muslims of that time who gave too much emphasis to the ritual vs. the relationship with the Beloved.

    That being said, I would recommend checking out Sanatan Sikhi (http://www.sarbloh.info).

    Of course, I'm not Sikh or Hindu, so I'm sure others will know much more than I do about this.

    Blessed be,
    Nam Jiwan
     
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  4. Taranjeet singh

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    Sikhism /sikhi is a full fledged religion unlike Hinduism that is a part of life and has no other crystallized meaning.
    Sikhism has one book of cannons: Hinduism is not contained in one book. Infact, entire Hinduism is contained in one canonical Granth of sikhs.

    Kindly explain Hinduism in full so that we can answer the question as per what you desire Sachin ji.

    Regards.!
     
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  5. prakash.s.bagga

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    There is a perfect answer to this in Gurbanee as

    ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਜੋ ਰਖੈ ਨਿਦਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਏਕੁ ਗੁਸਾਈ ਅਲਹੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁਹਾਂ ਨੇਬੇਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥ ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1136}

    One should understand each word of this Sabad to get the answer to difference between Sikhi and other prevailing sect of Asia like Islam and
    Hinduism.

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Thanks Prakash.S.Bagga ji for the Shabad reference. I cite below with translation from Srigranth.org for quick reference,


    In essence above shabad states the (Kabir ji wrote but Guru ji felt fit to select and include in SGGS and indicating agreement with it) dialog with but one creator and hence do not feel the need for the Hinduism, Islamic or other rituals or practices. One creator and seeking wisdom of the same directly versus any intermediaries in persons, deities, organizations or hierarchies.

    These teaching encouraging uplifting and freedom of the human souls established fundamentals of Sikhism thought. Bypassing of the established religious leaderships, organizations, subservience to such was addressed up front by Guru ji. It was not much liked by either the Hindu masters/Brahmins or the people in-charge of Islam/Kazis. He brought everyone down from their pedestals and made all equal including self, you and me. He paid the price through his own martyrdom.

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    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    AMBARSARIA Ji,
    The interpretation more or less is correct except for the meaning of the
    word NIRANKAAR being taken as FORMLESS.

    One should give a deep thinking to the actual meaning of this word NIRANKAAR .This is very very crucial word for true understanding of the whole of Gurbanee.

    One should try to extract the true meaning of this word by dior tri secting it.
    This is the way how the meaning of composite word is derived at.

    Till 1990 I also had the meaning of this word in my mind as every one thinks.
    But Trisecting this word I could get a much true meaning of this word which is
    quite different and more close to the true understanding of Gurbanee.

    This can be a very great excersise anyone should try this .
    No compulsion,just personal views.

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Sorry Veer ji,Not at all.

    Prakash.s.Bagga
     
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    This is a perfect example in gurbani of the differences.

    We (the many) come from the one (god) - we only just need to focus on the One (our direction) with fulll love and devotion. Regardless of our outer religious names...all of us have the god given means to realise him...all exists within.

    The same shabad describes the hunting of the dear (our senses) which takes us in so many directions and keeps our attention outward...but the true game is within and we all have the ability to realise the truth within:

    aakhaer birath baahar aaeiou dhhaae ||
    My mind used to run around outside hunting.

    ahaeraa paaeiou ghar kai gaa(n)e ||2||
    But now, I have found the game within the home of my body-village. ||2||
     
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    We (the many) come from the one (god)

    chaz Singh ji,

    I would like to modify this as,

    We all are part of a n infinite Single Source.The Single Source is clearly stated to be
    waves.
    Inside our real form is of a Wave.The body is only the residence for this Wave only.
    This I think is the real understanding one can learn from Gurbanee.

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    yes ji i agree,

    gurbani describes as waves, sound current, anhad shabad, unstruck sound current.... but words from physical language can only help me contemplate this...the true reality goes beyond the boundaries of what our minds can actually understand or put into words.

    with guru ji's grace i hope we can all experience this within our lifetimes :)
     
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    .... but words from physical language can only help me contemplate this...the true reality goes beyond the boundaries of what our minds can actually understand or put into words.

    chaZ Singh ji, thanks for your views

    This is what exactly one has to learn from Gurbanee
    .From Gurbanee one can learn that
    the actual message about True Reality which is beyond boundaries of ones mind is as

    Such Reality be known thru the WORD of GuR.And Such Reality is EKANKAAR/NIRANKAAR
    being depicted with SYMBOL as IMAGE of The Reality.

    Prakash.s.Bagga
     
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    Satnaam ji,

    unfortunately i am not as learned in gurbani as you seem to be, so i took the method of doing Simran at amrit vela to try and experience gurbani more and relate to SGGS Ji.

    slowly gurbani is becoming a little more clearer every day, but yet the reality of gurbani being endless seems to be more apparent.

    you said ji, that "Such Reality be known thru the WORD of GuR" through simran guru ji is showing me that word of guru exists also deep within us and with His grace we hear and feel it and it lifts us higher towards him.

    God bless ji.
     
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    through simran guru ji is showing me that word of guru exists also deep within us and with His grace we hear and feel it and it lifts us higher towards him.

    I can obsevrve your strong grasping power..The WORD of GuR exists also deep within us..
    That very WORD of GuR is exclusively is being told thru out Gurbanee. and for knowing this too the grace of GuRu is must.And for this grace one should keep ones mind in contact with Gurbanee as much as possible.

    Prakash.S.Bagga

    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Sanatan Dharma (hinduism real name) is oldest religion. Its primary book are the Vedas, then we have upanishads with supporting book s like Gita.
    Manu smritri is not a holy text, and anything in manu that contradicts Vedas is rejected, manu has also been corrupted.

    Primary points of Vedas:
     
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    Also prime end game for Sanatan Dharma faith is Moksha, ie merging back with god, bu this can only happend if the indivual leads a noble life.

    Another primary point is :
    Also we KARMA yoga, or selfless service without expectation of rewards:

    http://www.santosha.com/philosophy/gita-chapter3.html
    Jai Mata ji( not Jai papa ji, why?....)
     
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    DOGRA Ji,

    At the times whwn VEDAS There is no word like Hindu at that time.
    So How can you claim that SANATAN DHARAM is Real Hinduism.
    In fact Sanatan Dharam is for every being of that time.
    I appreciate there may be some great wordly knowledge in Vedas which has overlapped the real spritual knowledge.
    You may think over this.
    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    1. In Sikh Philosophy there is equal status of THE CREATOR as MATA and PITAA
      There is no discriminaion of Gender.
      Creator is MOTHER as well as FATHER ( Should be interesting to know how?)

      Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Hindu is not a term for Vedic faith, our faith is Sanatan Dharma, and this is from Vedas, so this is our faith. Of course over 5000 years there will be various sects, but this is our faith, and other people are free to worship their faith as Sanatan Dharma is a pluralistic faith.
    Sanatan Dharma is for all time for people of that faith. Poeple have free choice to follow religion that suits ttem
     
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    In Sanatan Dharma there are male and female forms of one god, which shows clear gender equality. Jai Mata ji, is said becuase to show us of Sanatan Dharmic faith of gender equality:
    Jai mata ji
     
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    dear members
    sat sri akal.. revealations in sikhism are coming directly from god without the help of something in between. if the help of something is used then we drop in the category of the mind but not beyond.. but sikhism is beyond the mind. this is my oppinion. thanks and sat sri akal
     
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