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[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Dear Bhenji,

There is difference between cheerful and positive. One is an outward expression of happiness and one is a mental state.

Chardi kalla means to stay positive, in high spirits, not smiling like a cheshire cat (with all due respect).

Vaheguru is Nirgun, he is beyond pain or pleasure. Kindly read Jaap Sahib and Akaal Ustat to see how Vaheguru is beyond description, wich is the point I was trying to make. We limit the unlimited God by attributing common characteristics to him.

Also don't forget that the 5th Masters state was that of santok and anand, this is different from being cheerful.

Your observation re the Jesuit Priest is wrong, here is his actual account:

“When the Prince came flying from Agra, he passed where a gentile called Guru, who amongst the gentiles is like the Pope amongst us. He was held as a saint and was as such venerated; because of this reputation of his and because of his high dignity the Prince went to see him, desiring, as it seems, some good prophecy. He gave him the good news of his new reign and gave him a tikka (otria) on his forehead; although this man (the Guru) was a gentile and the Prince, a Moor; to the pontiff it seemed that it would be good to give this symbol peculiar to gentiles, as a sign of success in his undertaking; as the Prince was the son of a gentile woman and because of the prince’s opinion of his saintliness.
The King came to know of this and after having imprisoned the Prince he ordered the said Guru. Having him imprisoned, some gentiles interceded for their saint: finally they managed to get him sentenced to a hundred thousand cruzados, a petition of a rich gentile who remained his guarantor. This individual took care that either the King (El-Rei) annulled this sentence or the saint have or at least negotiate that money; but in all he got frustrated; and he seized from his poor Pope everything he could find not sparing his clothes nor the clothes of his wife and sons; and seeing that all of this was not enough, as the gentiles don’t have loyalty towards neither Pope or father regarding money, each and every day he gave new torments and gave new affronts to the poor saint. He ordered him to be beaten many times with shoes on his face and forbade him to eat, so that he (the Guru) would give him more money, as he was not willing to believe that he did not have it, but he did not have it nor did he find anyone who would give it to him; and thus amongst many trials, pains and torments given by the very ones who adored him, the poor Guru died. The guarantor tried to save himself, but he was imprisoned and killed after they had taken everything they could find.”

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Veer

When I have time I will find the exact quote by the Jesuit who wrote his account in a letter to the Vatican in September of the year when Argan dev was martyred. Not making this up. Anyway, here is the account of Bhai Gurdas ji

As fishes are at one with the waves of the river
So was the Guru immersed in the River that is the Lord:
As the moth merges itself at sight into the flame,
So, was the Guru’s light merged with the Divine Light
In the extremest hours of suffering he was aware of nothing but the Divine Word
Like the deer who hears no sound but the ringing of the hunter’s bell.
Like the humming-bee who is wrapped inside the lotus flower,
He passed the night of his life as in a casket of bliss;
Never did he forget to utter the Lord’s word,
To the man of God joy is the fruit of devotion and meditation
With equanimity in holy company.
May I be a sacrifice unto this Guru Arjan.

not smiling like a cheshire cat (with all due respect).: Veer, How did you come up with this interpretation of my remarks? At least you have a funny bone!

You are either innocently or deliberately persisting with a zany interpretation of my comments. I hope you are not suffering from an all too common and unfortunate tendency of scholastics to distance the reality of God from the immediate experience of God in the lives of ordinary people. This is what happens whenever we try to explain what God is instead of describing how God works in our lives. Having an intellectual perspective is necessary in order to understand the concepts we use in ordinary speech. The intellectual perspective however gets in the way of personal encounter. You are a Sufi-- so why shy away from your experience of God's bliss? God is cheerful -take it or leave it.

Stay in Chardi Kala. Perhaps God does grin like the Cheshire Cat from time to time. How can we be certain?

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Dear sister,

Thanks for the reply. Sorry, but just on a fine point, I am not strictly speaking a Sufi, I am Khalsa Singh.

You are right, these are minor points, and we will have to agree to disagree.

Just remember God is also the destroyer as well as the creator, all experiences, good and bad occur under his supreme will and decision.

Re bliss, or Anand, I have experienced, whilst singing Anand Sahb in Guru Ji's ordained raag, Ramkaali - which actually invokes Anand, through a beautiful and mystic combination and acceptance of, the holy Guru's words and the music, one feels Anand mentally, physically and spiritually.

The feeling is very different from being cheerful, it is a feeling of complete contentment and peace.

Last thing, my contradictory statement is not in fact mine at all, I just repeated what is written in Maharaj, when his Saints are in pain, he is in pain. There is nothing irrational about this once one grasps that God has a transcendent & Immanent nature.

Sincere apologies if I came across as pedantic or rude, I didn't mean to be.

Re the excerpt I posted in my previous post, that is in fact the translation of the Jesuit Priests eye witness account.

Thanks.

Vaheguru

 

[kaur-1]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

One question: Can a person be a Muslim and a Sikh at once? Like a Suslim or a Mikh (meek)? :rofl!!:

Sorry if the joke is in poor taste. I'm serious in my question, though.

If you read, understand, believe and obey Gurmat (Guru ji's divine teachings) then you are a Sikh.

Any other talk about Sikhi not being unique is mankinds ego talking and is classed as "hot air" because here mankind is saying that guru ji's mat (divine teachings) is not good enough and they know better.

Quote:

Without adhering to the message of Guru Nanak Sahib jee no one has been saved and no one ever will be.


Sikhi is a unique Path, unlike any other! It is not based on fear, greed, lust, anger, hatred or ego – Sikhi is solely based on the Truth.



A Sikh lives the Truth and inspires others with the Truth. Everyone has been blessed with life, however Guru Nanak Sahib jee alone is the one who puts the “style” in life.



The true and perfect lifestyle, which brings total happiness, bliss and spiritual achievement, has been lived, exemplified and preached by Satguru Nanak Sahib jee!

:End Quote

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Veer ji

Putting aside all other points of discussion momentarily....

Please explain how you are "not strictly speaking a Sufi" but also a Khalsa Singh. And also what it do you mean when you say "not strictly speaking a Sufi".

A number of people are puzzled by this statement.

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

It depends what one's definition of Sufi is, the stereotypical one, or the true esoterical one....

Baba Farid Shakar Ganj was a great Sufi, I follow and bow to Baba Ji's teachings as chosen by my Satguru.

My understandings of terms are different to other peoples, because I beleive Gods light and knowledge is everywhere, and not a monopoly of any one people or faith.

 

[Senjin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

just say the shahada, you dont need to follow the quran, to pray like a muslim, hijab, hadith books, etc.

but than never go into a radical masjid (mosque). never say to a radical muslim brother nor sister. expect you know them.
and so much other problems... aye...

btw, why do you ask for sikh & islam? want to change the cultur? try something new?

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Senji, You seem to understand Shaheediyan's argument.

Why yes, if you are not "strictly speaking" a Muslim, then saying the shahada should be enough prayer for the day. If you are not "strictly speaking" a Sufi, then I guess it follows that you don't have to be "strictly speaking" a Muslim (just kind of a Muslim). And if you are not "strictly speaking" amrithari, then you wouldn't have to be "strictly speaking" Khalsa (though I don't know how Singh got involved here). And if you are not "strictly speaking" either a Muslim or a Sikh then it is logical to dispense with "strictly speaking" religious practices that keep in firm view spiritual values that define you as Muslim or Sikh. And last but not least, when you do not "strictly speaking" comprehend a coherent and fully developed identity for the God you say you worship, then an esoteric concept of God should be satisfactory -- for after all the esoteric is hidden and does not have to be understood to be discussed. Musings will work. Nonetheless, for communication to occur, it is helpful for "strictly defined" terminology to be available to all parties in the debate.

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Kaur ji

This is the best explanation of what we have to do.

If you read, understand, believe and obey Gurmat (Guru ji's divine teachings) then you are a Sikh.

Any other talk about Sikhi not being unique is mankinds ego talking and is classed as "hot air" because here mankind is saying that guru ji's mat (divine teachings) is not good enough and they know better.

Without adhering to the message of Guru Nanak Sahib jee no one has been saved and no one ever will be.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Sorry to jump in. Afterall we are all cyber sadh Sangat and interacting is our duty-Dharam

Shaheediyan ji,

Guru fateh

You write:

<<Just remember God is also the destroyer as well as the creator, all experiences, good and bad occur under his supreme will and decision.>>

This is not a Sikhi concept. It is the semitic and Hindu concept. Ik Ong Kaar is Ajuni Saibangh- Creative Energy. Being a destroyer is a man's ill trait. Remember Sikhi has no deity unlike the above mentioned religions.


<<The feeling is very different from being cheerful, it is a feeling of complete contentment and peace.>>

Being cheerful is the manifestaion of whats brewing within, which is Santokh-contentment and peace. As a flower manifests its Santokh by emitting its scent in all directions, sans bias. Being cheerful is to emit Gurmat scent in all directions in the same manner, with the same attitude.

<<Last thing, my contradictory statement is not in fact mine at all, I just repeated what is written in Maharaj, when his Saints are in pain, he is in pain.>>

SGGS is full of metaphors. The metaphor of pain in the above shows one beautiful trait of a Sikh= Empathy towards those who are hurting.


my 2 cents

Tejwant

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

VaheguruSeekr

Your two cents is always worth a million dollars. Jump in again.

God is very cheerful

 

[Senjin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

imams believe if you say subhanallah 100x per day youre freed from all sins.
so you dont need to pray 5x per day. + u get a palm-tree in paradis.

but watch out, islam is great.. but like every religion it is not the same like it is written.
in islam it is easy to fall into the fanatic path. would be sad to see you in hamza shaheed videos..

it has good and bad sides. and bad side is, you could not only be a slave of allah, you could be a slave of men.


dont forget, dont go from guru to guru, religion to religion, you can buy a palm-tree in supermarket and let it grow.. in 5-10 years you can still choose a religion.
find yourself first..

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Tejwant Ji,

"<<Just remember God is also the destroyer as well as the creator, all experiences, good and bad occur under his supreme will and decision.>>

This is not a Sikhi concept. It is the semitic and Hindu concept. Ik Ong Kaar is Ajuni Saibangh- Creative Energy. Being a destroyer is a man's ill trait. Remember Sikhi has no deity unlike the above mentioned religions."

ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਪੇ ॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Establisher Lord!

ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਪਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥
Salutation to Thee O Annihilator Lord! Salutation to Thee O All-sustainer Lord!20

“ਪ੍ਰਭੰਗੀਪ੍ਰਮਾਥੇ॥ਸਮਸਤੀਬਿਭੂਤੇ॥੪੯॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Omnipotent Lord! Salutation to Thee O Greatest to All Lord!”


Aad Bhenji,

The word Sikh means “Disciple, Student, Murid”, as overly simplified as this may sound. We are all Sikhs of Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and the all those contained there in, including Sufi Baba Farid Shakar Ganj (born 1173 CE), who actually lived prior to Vaheguru’s manifestation on Earth as Satguru Nanak (1469 CE).

“Without adhering to the message of Guru Nanak Sahib jee no one has been saved and no one ever will be.”

So are you saying that Baba Farid and his Murids were damned? And are you saying that the Prophets Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed and their followers were not saved, alongside Buddha, Zoroaster, Sri Krishan, Sri Ram Chandra and many others…..

Have you read about Satguru being the same light as Sri Krishna and Sri Ram Chandra… in both Bhatt Gurbani and Bhai Gurdas ki Vaaran…?

Do you not agree with Satguru’s definition of a Muslim or Hindu, would you say that you do not fit within these definitions??

It makes me sad to see that followers of Sikhi are evolving into God/Truth monopolising and damning students….

We follow and obey Maharaj, but that doesn’t mean we can’t learn what is good from anywhere else…

ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬਕਹਹੁਮਤਝੂਠੇਝੂਠਾਜੋਨਬਿਚਾਰੈ॥ Bėḏ kaṯėb kahhu maṯ jẖūṯẖė jẖūṯẖā jo na bicẖārai.Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.


Maybe read up on why 10th Master sent 5 Sikhs to Kashi, what they learnt and and what they did… as a brief, Satguru took the thousands of years old religious monopoly of reading and teaching the Vedas from the Brahmans (no other caste was allowed to see the text) and then ordered his 5 Sikhs to expound the teaching in their “original” form, and give them back to the people, explained through Gurmat.

This was the task of the original Sikh intellects/saints, the Nirmalai and Sevapanthi, the latter who also specialised in studying and teaching correct meaning of Islam via Bhai Aden Shah, from who’s parampara, the famous holy sant Baba Shaam Singh Ji took education and did 75 years nishkaam kirtan seva at Darbaar Sahib.

Sikhi is more diverse and universal than you think…..

Don’t forget the numerous Hindu’s and Muslims i.e. Sain Mian Mir and Pir Budduh Shah who supported and sacrificed their all for Satguru’s… Guru’s never asked them to leave their faith, because they were true adherents of their faith.

Please don’t think I am arguing or care about winning a debate, I am simply trying to help open your mind to what Satguru is telling us…..

Just trying to help.

 

[spnadmin]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Dear Brother

As commented on another thread, please do not rebuke people for things they did not say and then build a big argument around your false assumption. Your anger is rising and you have done this to yourself.

Why all this about Satgur being a Destroyer and Anniihilator? We were discussing whether Sikhi and Islam are distinctly different spiritual paths.

And you know that mera mun will arrive at deeper understanding as God (not you) has willed it. I am only a small part of his creation. And happy to be part of it. And thankful.

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Dear sister,

"As commented on another thread, please do not rebuke people for things they did not say and then build a big argument around your false assumption. Your anger is rising and you have done this to yourself."

Kindly don't take out your frustrations on me, you are out of order for saying what you have above. I am anything but angry, just trying to discuss and help, read the last 2 sentances of my previous post.

And rather than visiting all the threads I am posting on and implying I am creating false assumptions etc, have the courtesy to actually "quote" me where I have done this, as "I have done" in my posts above before answering your points, thus nullifying your negative claims.

Also a word of advice for you, if you have points to make, make them actually quoting from references.

Your words most completely and certainly apply to yourself. I am not the one insulting anyone here...... thanks for the kind welcome to this forum.

"And you know that mera mun will arrive at deeper understanding as God (not you) has willed it. I am only a small part of his creation. And happy to be part of it. And thankful."

I totally agree.

Good point Senjen, same also applies in Sikhi, as is evidenced.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Tejwant Ji,

<<ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਪੇ ॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Establisher Lord!

ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਪਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥
Salutation to Thee O Annihilator Lord! Salutation to Thee O All-sustainer Lord!20

“ਪ੍ਰਭੰਗੀਪ੍ਰਮਾਥੇ॥ਸਮਸਤੀਬਿਭੂਤੇ॥੪੯॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Omnipotent Lord! Salutation to Thee O Greatest to All Lord!”>>


Shaheediyan ji,

Guru Fateh,

Thanks for the literal translation. can you please put this in lay man's terms for me to understand what Guru ji is trying to tell us?

What kind of message is he trying to convey us through those metaphors ?

Would you be kind enough to also post some verses from SGGS which convey the same message?

Thanks

Tejwant

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fat-heh||


ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
Ėkā mā&shy;ī jugaṯ vi&shy;ā&shy;ī ṯin cẖėlė parvāṇ.

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā&shy;ė ḏībāṇ.
ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ.


There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor.

Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.

Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will.

The message is simple, he is everything... as I suggested to Aad bhenji, doing regular vichaar on Jaap Sahib and Akaal Ustat would answer on this question.

God bless.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fat-heh||


ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
Ėkā mā&shy;ī jugaṯ vi&shy;ā&shy;ī ṯin cẖėlė parvāṇ.

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā&shy;ė ḏībāṇ.
ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ.


There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor.

Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.

Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will.

The message is simple, he is everything... as I suggested to Aad bhenji, doing regular vichaar on Jaap Sahib and Akaal Ustat would answer on this question.

God bless.

Pardon my ignorance but I have no idea what you are talking about. Let me try once again reposting my whole post. We are all seekers in here. We are here to interact. We should all ask straight questions and expect honest answers.

<<ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਪੇ ॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Establisher Lord!

ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਪਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥
Salutation to Thee O Annihilator Lord! Salutation to Thee O All-sustainer Lord!20

“ਪ੍ਰਭੰਗੀਪ੍ਰਮਾਥੇ॥ਸਮਸਤੀਬਿਭੂਤੇ॥੪੯॥
Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Omnipotent Lord! Salutation to Thee O Greatest to All Lord!”>>


Shaheediyan ji,

Guru Fateh,

Thanks for the literal translation. can you please put this in lay man's terms for me to understand what Guru ji is trying to tell us?

What kind of message is he trying to convey us through those metaphors ?

Would you be kind enough to also post some verses from SGGS which convey the same message?

Thanks

Tejwant

 

[Shaheediyan]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Apologies for confusing you brother, that is no way my intention, nor does dishonesty make up part of my persona.

T-?

"Thanks for the literal translation. can you please put this in lay man's terms for me to understand what Guru ji is trying to tell us?"

S-A

"Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.

Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will."

T- ?

"What kind of message is he trying to convey us through those metaphors ?"

"There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor."

See previous answer for what is being conveyed.


T- ?

"Would you be kind enough to also post some verses from SGGS which convey the same message?"

"ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
Ėkā mā&shy;ī jugaṯ vi&shy;ā&shy;ī ṯin cẖėlė parvāṇ.

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā&shy;ė ḏībāṇ.
ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ."


To finish:

The message is simple, he is everything... as I suggested to Aad bhenji, doing regular vichaar on Jaap Sahib and Akaal Ustat would answer on this question.

God bless.


If there is anything in particular you do not understand, feel free to ask, but kindly be specific.

Vaheguru

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Re: Sikh...Islam...

Apologies for confusing you brother, that is no way my intention, nor does dishonesty make up part of my persona.


<<"Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.>>

Need verses from SGGS as examples.

<<Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will.">>

Need verses from SGGS as examples. BTW, moolmantar contradicts that.

<<"There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor.">>

I have no idea if you understand the meaning of metaphors or not. From your posts it seems you donot. Following is the meaning:

metaphor - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education

met·a·phor (m

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-fôr

, -f

r) [SIZE=-2]KEY [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]NOUN: [/SIZE]

1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles" or [SIZE=+0]"All the world's a stage"[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0](Shakespeare).[/SIZE]
2. One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: [SIZE=+0]"Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven"[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0](Neal Gabler).[/SIZE]

You mean SGGS is not full of metaphors? The verse below you mentioned in one of your posts is filled with metaphors.



ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Mārū mehlā 5.
Maaroo, Fifth Mehl:

ਅਲਹ ਅਗਮ ਖੁਦਾਈ ਬੰਦੇ ॥
Alah agam kẖuḏā&shy;ī banḏė.
O slave of the inaccessible Lord God Allah,

ਛੋਡਿ ਖਿਆਲ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਕੇ ਧੰਧੇ ॥
Cẖẖod kẖi&shy;āl ḏunī&shy;ā kė ḏẖanḏẖė.
forsake thoughts of worldly entanglements.

ਹੋਇ ਪੈ ਖਾਕ ਫਕੀਰ ਮੁਸਾਫਰੁ ਇਹੁ ਦਰਵੇਸੁ ਕਬੂਲੁ ਦਰਾ ॥੧॥
Ho&shy;ė pai kẖāk fakīr musāfar ih ḏarvės kabūl ḏarā. ||1||
Become the dust of the feet of the humble fakeers, and consider yourself a traveler on this journey. O saintly dervish, you shall be approved in the Court of the Lord. ||1||

ਸਚੁ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਯਕੀਨ ਮੁਸਲਾ ॥
Sacẖ nivāj yakīn muslā.
Let Truth be your prayer, and faith your prayer-mat.

ਮਨਸਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਨਿਵਾਰਿਹੁ ਆਸਾ ॥
Mansā mār nivārihu āsā.
Subdue your desires, and overcome your hopes.

ਦੇਹ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਮਨੁ ਮਉਲਾਣਾ ਕਲਮ ਖੁਦਾਈ ਪਾਕੁ ਖਰਾ ॥੨॥
Ḏėh masīṯ man ma&shy;ulāṇā kalam kẖuḏā&shy;ī pāk kẖarā. ||2||
Let your body be the mosque, and your mind the priest. Let true purity be God's Word for you. ||2||

ਸਰਾ ਸਰੀਅਤਿ ਲੇ ਕੰਮਾਵਹੁ ॥
Sarā sarī&shy;aṯ lė kammāvahu.
Let your practice be to live the spiritual life.

ਤਰੀਕਤਿ ਤਰਕ ਖੋਜਿ ਟੋਲਾਵਹੁ ॥
Ŧarīkaṯ ṯarak kẖoj tolāvahu.
Let your spiritual cleansing be to renounce the world and seek God.

ਮਾਰਫਤਿ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਰਹੁ ਅਬਦਾਲਾ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਹਕੀਕਤਿ ਜਿਤੁ ਫਿਰਿ ਨ ਮਰਾ ॥੩॥
Mārfaṯ man mārahu abḏālā milhu hakīkaṯ jiṯ fir na marā. ||3||
Let control of the mind be your spiritual wisdom, O holy man; meeting with God, you shall never die again. ||3||

ਕੁਰਾਣੁ ਕਤੇਬ ਦਿਲ ਮਾਹਿ ਕਮਾਹੀ ॥
Kurāṇ kaṯėb ḏil māhi kamāhī.
Practice within your heart the teachings of the Koran and the Bible;

ਦਸ ਅਉਰਾਤ ਰਖਹੁ ਬਦ ਰਾਹੀ ॥
Ḏas a&shy;urāṯ rakẖahu baḏ rāhī.
restrain the ten sensory organs from straying into evil.

ਪੰਚ ਮਰਦ ਸਿਦਕਿ ਲੇ ਬਾਧਹੁ ਖੈਰਿ ਸਬੂਰੀ ਕਬੂਲ ਪਰਾ ॥੪॥
Pancẖ maraḏ siḏak lė bāḏẖhu kẖair sabūrī kabūl parā. ||4||
Tie up the five demons of desire with faith, charity and contentment, and you shall be acceptable. ||4||

ਮਕਾ ਮਿਹਰ ਰੋਜਾ ਪੈ ਖਾਕਾ ॥
Makā mihar rojā pai kẖākā.
Let compassion be your Mecca, and the dust of the feet of the holy your fast.

ਭਿਸਤੁ ਪੀਰ ਲਫਜ ਕਮਾਇ ਅੰਦਾਜਾ ॥
Bẖisaṯ pīr lafaj kamā&shy;ė anḏājā.
Let Paradise be your practice of the Prophet's Word.

ਹੂਰ ਨੂਰ ਮੁਸਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇਆ ਬੰਦਗੀ ਅਲਹ ਆਲਾ ਹੁਜਰਾ ॥੫॥
Hūr nūr musak kẖuḏā&shy;i&shy;ā banḏagī alah ālā hujrā. ||5||
God is the beauty, the light and the fragrance. Meditation on Allah is the secluded meditation chamber. ||5||
ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਾਜੀ ॥
Sacẖ kamāvai so&shy;ī kājī.
He alone is a Qazi, who practices the Truth.

ਜੋ ਦਿਲੁ ਸੋਧੈ ਸੋਈ ਹਾਜੀ ॥
Jo ḏil soḏẖai so&shy;ī hājī.
He alone is a Haji, a pilgrim to Mecca, who purifies his heart.

ਸੋ ਮੁਲਾ ਮਲਊਨ ਨਿਵਾਰੈ ਸੋ ਦਰਵੇਸੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਧਰਾ ॥੬॥
So mulā mala&shy;ūn nivārai so ḏarvės jis sifaṯ ḏẖarā. ||6||
He alone is a Mullah, who banishes evil; he alone is a saintly dervish, who takes the Support of the Lord's Praise. ||6||

ਸਭੇ ਵਖਤ ਸਭੇ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਲਾ ॥
Sabẖė vakẖaṯ sabẖė kar vėlā.
Always, at every moment,

ਖਾਲਕੁ ਯਾਦਿ ਦਿਲੈ ਮਹਿ ਮਉਲਾ ॥
Kẖālak yāḏ ḏilai meh ma&shy;ulā.
remember God, the Creator within your heart.

ਤਸਬੀ ਯਾਦਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਦਸ ਮਰਦਨੁ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਸੀਲੁ ਬੰਧਾਨਿ ਬਰਾ ॥੭॥
Ŧasbī yāḏ karahu ḏas marḏan sunaṯ sīl banḏẖān barā. ||7||
Let your meditation beads be the subjugation of the ten senses. Let good conduct and self-restraint be your circumcision. ||7||

ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਜਾਨਹੁ ਸਭ ਫਿਲਹਾਲਾ ॥
Ḏil meh jānhu sabẖ filhālā.
You must know in your heart that everything is temporary.

ਖਿਲਖਾਨਾ ਬਿਰਾਦਰ ਹਮੂ ਜੰਜਾਲਾ ॥
Kẖilkẖānā birāḏar hamū janjālā.
Family, household and siblings are all entanglements.

ਮੀਰ ਮਲਕ ਉਮਰੇ ਫਾਨਾਇਆ ਏਕ ਮੁਕਾਮ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਦਰਾ ॥੮॥
Mīr malak umrė fānā&shy;i&shy;ā ėk mukām kẖuḏā&shy;ė ḏarā. ||8||
Kings, rulers and nobles are mortal and transitory; only God's Gate is the permanent place. ||8||

ਅਵਲਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਦੂਜੀ ਸਾਬੂਰੀ ॥
Aval sifaṯ ḏūjī sābūrī.
First, is the Lord's Praise; second, contentment;

ਤੀਜੈ ਹਲੇਮੀ ਚਉਥੈ ਖੈਰੀ ॥
Ŧījai halėmī cẖa&shy;uthai kẖairī.
third, humility, and fourth, giving to charities.

ਪੰਜਵੈ ਪੰਜੇ ਇਕਤੁ ਮੁਕਾਮੈ ਏਹਿ ਪੰਜਿ ਵਖਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਪਰਪਰਾ ॥੯॥
Punjvai panjė ikaṯ mukāmai ėhi panj vakẖaṯ ṯėrė aparparā. ||9||
Fifth is to hold one's desires in restraint. These are the five most sublime daily prayers. ||9||

ਸਗਲੀ ਜਾਨਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਮਉਦੀਫਾ ॥
Saglī jān karahu ma&shy;uḏīfā.
Let your daily worship be the knowledge that God is everywhere.

ਬਦ ਅਮਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਥਿ ਕੂਜਾ ॥
Baḏ amal cẖẖod karahu hath kūjā.
Let renunciation of evil actions be the water-jug you carry.

ਖੁਦਾਇ ਏਕੁ ਬੁਝਿ ਦੇਵਹੁ ਬਾਂਗਾਂ ਬੁਰਗੂ ਬਰਖੁਰਦਾਰ ਖਰਾ ॥੧੦॥
Kẖuḏā&shy;ė ėk bujẖ ḏėvhu bāʼngāʼn burgū barkẖurḏār kẖarā. ||10||
Let realization of the One Lord God be your call to prayer; be a good child of God - let this be your trumpet. ||10||

ਹਕੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਬਖੋਰਹੁ ਖਾਣਾ ॥
Hak halāl bakẖorahu kẖāṇā.
Let what is earned righteously be your blessed food.

ਦਿਲ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਮੈਲਾਣਾ ॥
Ḏil ḏarī&shy;ā&shy;o ḏẖovahu mailāṇā.
Wash away pollution with the river of your heart.

ਪੀਰੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਭਿਸਤੀ ਸੋਈ ਅਜਰਾਈਲੁ ਨ ਦੋਜ ਠਰਾ ॥੧੧॥
Pīr pacẖẖāṇai bẖisṯī so&shy;ī ajrā&shy;īl na ḏoj ṯẖarā. ||11||
One who realizes the Prophet attains heaven. Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death, does not cast him into hell. ||11||

ਕਾਇਆ ਕਿਰਦਾਰ ਅਉਰਤ ਯਕੀਨਾ ॥
Kā&shy;i&shy;ā kirḏār a&shy;uraṯ yakīnā.
Let good deeds be your body, and faith your bride.

ਰੰਗ ਤਮਾਸੇ ਮਾਣਿ ਹਕੀਨਾ ॥
Rang ṯamāsė māṇ hakīnā.
Play and enjoy the Lord's love and delight.

ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥
Nāpāk pāk kar haḏūr haḏīsā sābaṯ sūraṯ ḏasṯār sirā. ||12||
Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head. ||12||

ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮੋਮ ਦਿਲਿ ਹੋਵੈ ॥
Musalmāṇ mom ḏil hovai.
To be Muslim is to be kind-hearted,

ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਦਿਲ ਤੇ ਧੋਵੈ ॥
Anṯar kī mal ḏil ṯė ḏẖovai.
and wash away pollution from within the heart.

ਦੁਨੀਆ ਰੰਗ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨੇੜੈ ਜਿਉ ਕੁਸਮ ਪਾਟੁ ਘਿਉ ਪਾਕੁ ਹਰਾ ॥੧੩॥
Ḏunī&shy;ā rang na āvai nėṛai ji&shy;o kusam pāt gẖi&shy;o pāk harā. ||13||
He does not even approach worldly pleasures; he is pure, like flowers, silk, ghee and the deer-skin. ||13||

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨਾ ॥
Jā ka&shy;o mihar mihar miharvānā.
One who is blessed with the mercy and compassion of the Merciful Lord,

ਸੋਈ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ॥
So&shy;ī maraḏ maraḏ marḏānā.
is the manliest man among men.

ਸੋਈ ਸੇਖੁ ਮਸਾਇਕੁ ਹਾਜੀ ਸੋ ਬੰਦਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਜਰਿ ਨਰਾ ॥੧੪॥
So&shy;ī sėkẖ masā&shy;ik hājī so banḏā jis najar narā. ||14||
He alone is a Shaykh, a preacher, a Haji, and he alone is God's slave, who is blessed with God's Grace. ||14||

ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਕਾਦਰ ਕਰਣ ਕਰੀਮਾ ॥
Kuḏraṯ kāḏar karaṇ karīmā.
The Creator Lord has Creative Power; the Merciful Lord has Mercy.

ਸਿਫਤਿ ਮੁਹਬਤਿ ਅਥਾਹ ਰਹੀਮਾ ॥
Sifaṯ muhabaṯ athāh rahīmā.
The Praises and the Love of the Merciful Lord are unfathomable.

ਹਕੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਸਚੁ ਖੁਦਾਇਆ ਬੁਝਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਬੰਦਿ ਖਲਾਸ ਤਰਾ ॥੧੫॥੩॥੧੨॥
Hak hukam sacẖ kẖuḏā&shy;i&shy;ā bujẖ Nānak banḏ kẖalās ṯarā. ||15||3||12||
Realize the True Hukam, the Command of the Lord, O Nanak; you shall be released from bondage, and carried across. ||15||3||12||

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First please put the meaning of the verses you post in any forum. Secondly in the above verse I could not find the meaning,' GOd is a destoryer'.

Am I missing somthing?


<<If there is anything in particular you do not understand, feel free to ask, but kindly be specific.>>

If you check my posts, you will find that I am very specific. It is you who should give the interpretation of the verses rather than just copying and pasting with and without the literal translations which can be very misleading.That is what being specific means.

Regards

Tejwant