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Should we ask the Lord to protect us at the end of our prayers and meditation?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by dattaswami, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. dattaswami

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    First of all we must know that prayers by mouth and meditation by mind do not have any value like offerring a cup of water to the guest has no value. Even in the hotel one can drink a cup of water without paying anything. If you ask the Lord to protect you for your prayer and meditation it is something like charging the customer for drinking a cup of water in the hotel. Only service to the Lord in terms of sacrifice of work (Karma Sanyasa) and Sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) can have the value like serving a plate of meals to the customer in the hotel. Ofcourse the plate of meals should be always associated with drinking water also. Similarly the service to the Lord should also be associated with prayers and meditation.

    Service without prayer and meditation is ninety-nine percent and cannot be one hundred percent. The prayer and meditation have significance and value only when they are associated with the service. Therefore asking for protection after prayer or meditation is not at all justified. Ofcourse asking for protection after the service associated with prayer and meditation is justified but not appreciable.

    When you ask for the fruit, it shall be given according to the value of your service only. But if you don’t ask for the fruit your service attains infinite value and you will get the permanent protection from the Lord without any account of your service. Are you asking your son for the fruit as soon as you serve him? Whatever service you can, you have done to your son and when you become old whatever service he can he renders it to you. Is there any account between you and your son?

    If you deserve, the Lord will protect you and you need not remind Him about this. If you do not deserve He cannot voilate His own rules and administration for the sake of an undeserving fellow. If you are not asking Him for any favour, you are a good follower of His administration and He will be pleased with you even without your prayers and worship. He will become angry if you ask Him to protect you even if you deserve, because he becomes angry since you have unnecessarily reminded Him. He becomes angry with you if you do not deserve, because you are asking the Lord to voilate His own administration.

    Therefore in both the cases you should not mention your desire for protection or for any other fruit before the Lord. Though no body is there to question the Lord even if He voilates the rules, the angels and sages are constantly looking at Him through meditation. If the Lord voilates the rules in the case of undeserving, these divine devotees will be shakened in their impression about the Lord and their meditation is spoiled. Therefore the Lord will never harm the divine devotees.

    At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami
    ANIL ANTONY

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  3. rosethorne

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    Dear Dattaswamiji I know your Intention so PLease Go out from this forum Becauce We don't want to know about your personel theories. We neednot to look beyond our SGGS because they have every answer for us.
    There is no question of having any of 5 vices in GOD because god is formless. In your theory you are Vomitting out what you have swallowed. And if you are proving that you are an incarnation of GOD then please tell me why you changed your front page of your website, that is called FEAR, Why you was Anterdhyan from this forum for three days, That is called FRAUDULANT. What you are asking on your wesite from the world as The Money to give you for your devotees, That is called GREED. When you say you are the Incarnation of GOD, That is called EGOTISM. When you say that you have come to earth with your family to protect your Devotees, That is called EGO. I have saved and seen all of your website page which are active till 27thsep,2005. You have all the 5 vices in you. Just try to see into your collar. If you have courage and if a real person you are, There is no question left of you being GOD, then make a shout box like SPN on your website. IT is my second challenge to you.
    Just see below, And add it into your divine knowledge that what GOD is.



    God is both Impersonal (Nirgun) and Personal (Sargun). Impersonal God is Formless and beyond the human reach. When He reveals Himself through His Creation, He becomes related and personal. It is just like the rays coming out of the sun. The source is Formless, and the whole universe is His Personal form. No form howsoever unique it may be, is independent of Him. Infinite can manifest into unlimited number of finites, but any number of finites, alone or together, cannot be equal to the Infinite. So any finite form cannot be worshipped as God, Who is Infinite and Formless
     
  4. dattaswami

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    Dear Rosethrone;

    This entire Universe is objective because the Creator is the subject and the Creation is the object. Any item in the Creation is also object. The human body is the most convenient object. Through such human body only the Lord should be meditated upon and should be served. The subjective God (Creator) is beyond words, mind, intelligence, logic and imagination as said in Veda. Gita says that if one approaches the subjective God directly, he will end in misery (Avyakthahi Gatih Duhkham…). This verse in Gita means that the souls having human bodies cannot worship the subjective God directly because such worship leads only to misery.

    You cannot even imagine the subjective God. When the approach is subjective, the mind is destroyed as said in Gita in the above verse. Only the objective approach will give happiness because there is no difficulty in capturing the God through an object. Since you are an object, you can capture the boundaries of another object through your mind. Any object is within the four-dimensional space-time model. The subjective God is beyond the dimensions of space and time. When you try to capture the subjective God, the mind is unable to catch Him and undergoes lot of difficulties leading into strain that destroys the mind. But when you experience God through a human being you will not have any strain in capturing God who is identified with the object.

    When the subjective God is not at all experienced, how His characteristic sign, which is Bliss, can be experienced? You are not seeing the Sun directly and how can you enjoy the heat or light? Even if the Sun is not seen directly if an illuminated lens by Sun is seen, you are enjoying the light and heat atleast in small quantities in reality. When the Sun is completely hidden by the clouds, neither Sun nor His heat nor His light is experienced. Bliss is defined as the continuous happiness, which is infinitely intensive. You may mistake sometimes the temporary happiness also as Bliss.

    When you have not tasted the infinitely intensive happiness, you may misunderstand even a small shadow of the bliss (happiness) as bliss itself. Moreover, the bliss of yourself is not the highest goal. You must please the Lord and pleasing the Lord must be highest goal. Therefore, your experience of the bliss need not be necessarily the pleasure of the God. The Bliss can be obtained from materialistic things like drink etc.

    Only the divine knowledge followed by the divine love and bliss can give you the identity of the Lord. But once you recognized the Lord by the knowledge, love and bliss, your aim should be the service of the Lord through which the Lord must be pleased. In service you may not have the bliss or sometimes-you may have to face even lot of unhappiness. Jesus told that unless one detaches even from his life for His sake, he couldn’t be His dearest disciple.

    But you should feel all that unhappiness as your happiness if your unhappiness in terms of service pleases the Lord. You must have patient analysis and power of discrimination in the search of the truth. Your aim should not be the attainment of bliss but making the Lord blissful through your service and sacrifice. If this ultimate goal is realized, the soul gets the top most place in the heart of the Lord.

    You have entered the heart of the Lord deeply through your proven love towards the Lord in the very first step itself. The Lord wants sincerely to hold on you in the path of the truth. The Lord does not want to use any super power in this matter because the path of the knowledge and devotion should be spontaneous, natural and real.

    The final result of the effort of Swami thus depends only in the power of your discrimination and on your patience to analyze in search of the truth. You will have firm faith only when the divine knowledge helps you as a fertilizer to germinate the devotion and also acts as a pesticide to remove worm like attractions and illusions of Saturn, who always tries to take away the sheep from the Lord like a wolf or a fox.

    At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami
    ANIL ANTONY
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    Dear Mr. DAttswami I really don't want to waste my precious time In which I can do meditation and Find your so called subjective God. My last reply was the last from me. Now you and your family and your devotees can go to hell. Or you can use any supernatural power on me, From me it is open challenge to you that if you just think of it even then you will see what will happen to you. I'm A Gursikh remmember it always.
     

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