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    <table border="0"><tbody><tr><td> [​IMG] Shabad is by Bhagat Trilochan Ji in Raag Gujri on Pannaa 526

    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">gUjrI ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> goojaree ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Goojaree:
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">AMiq kwil jo lCmI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> a(n)th kaal jo lashhamee simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">srp join vil vil AauqrY ]1]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> sarap jon val val aoutharai ||1||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">ArI bweI goibd nwmu miq bIsrY ] rhwau ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> aree baaee gobidh naam math beesarai || rehaao ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">AMiq kwil jo iesqRI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> a(n)th kaal jo eisathree simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">bysvw join vil vil AauqrY ]2]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> baesavaa jon val val aoutharai ||2||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">AMiq kwil jo liVky ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> a(n)th kaal jo larrikae simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">sUkr join vil vil AauqrY ]3]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> sookar jon val val aoutharai ||3||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">AMiq kwil jo mMdr ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> a(n)th kaal jo ma(n)dhar simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">pRyq join vil vil AauqrY ]4]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> praeth jon val val aoutharai ||4||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">AMiq kwil nwrwiexu ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> a(n)th kaal naaraaein simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top">bdiq iqlocnu qy nr mukqw pIqMbru vw ky irdY bsY ]5]2]
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> badhath thilochan thae nar mukathaa peetha(n)bar vaa kae ridhai basai ||5||2||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" height="10" valign="top">
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    Thanks sister; it is very good. Still,I prefer the way it has been stated in Guru Granth Sahib in whom I place full faith. posted below is another shabad from ang 536. hope you will like this as well.
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    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ

    देवगंधारी महला ९ ॥
    Ḏevganḏẖārī mėhlā 9.
    Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree, Ninth Mehl:
    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਝੂਠੀ ਦੇਖੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ

    जगत मै झूठी देखी प्रीति ॥
    Jagaṯ mai jẖūṯẖī ḏekẖī parīṯ.
    In this world, I have seen love to be false.
    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਅਪਨੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਿਉ ਸਭ ਲਾਗੇ ਕਿਆ ਦਾਰਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੀਤ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ

    अपने ही सुख सिउ सभ लागे किआ दारा किआ मीत ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Apne hī sukẖ si▫o sabẖ lāge ki▫ā ḏārā ki▫ā mīṯ. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    Whether they are spouses or friends, all are concerned only with their own happiness. ||1||Pause||
    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਮੇਰਉ ਮੇਰਉ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਤ ਹੈ ਹਿਤ ਸਿਉ ਬਾਧਿਓ ਚੀਤ

    मेरउ मेरउ सभै कहत है हित सिउ बाधिओ चीत ॥
    Mera▫o mera▫o sabẖai kahaṯ hai hiṯ si▫o bāḏẖi▫o cẖīṯ.
    All say, "Mine, mine", and attach their consciousness to you with love.
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    अंति कालि संगी नह कोऊ इह अचरज है रीति ॥१॥
    Anṯ kāl sangī nah ko▫ū ih acẖraj hai rīṯ. ||1||
    But at the very last moment, none shall go along with you. How strange are the ways of the world! ||1||
    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਮਨ ਮੂਰਖ ਅਜਹੂ ਨਹ ਸਮਝਤ ਸਿਖ ਦੈ ਹਾਰਿਓ ਨੀਤ

    मन मूरख अजहू नह समझत सिख दै हारिओ नीत ॥
    Man mūrakẖ ajhū nah samjẖaṯ sikẖ ḏai hāri▫o nīṯ.
    The foolish mind has not yet reformed itself, although I have grown weary of continually instructing it.
    </td></tr> <tr><td> ਨਾਨਕ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਪਾਰਿ ਪਰੈ ਜਉ ਗਾਵੈ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੇ ਗੀਤ ॥੨॥੩॥੬॥੩੮॥੪੭॥

    नानक भउजलु पारि परै जउ गावै प्रभ के गीत ॥२॥३॥६॥३८॥४७॥
    Nānak bẖa▫ojal pār parai ja▫o gāvai parabẖ ke gīṯ. ||2||3||6||38||47||
    O Guru Nanak, one crosses over the terrifying world-ocean, singing the Songs of God. ||2||3||6||38||47||
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    Taranjeetji,

    I think you are absolutely correct to feel the way you do, I think the essence that we extract from bani is highly personal. However, I feel there is so much more essence to be extracted from this bani than one line, we are all here to learn, pardon me, but your essence seems very abrahamic to me, I found IJji's quite comprehensive and covering many different bases, however at the end of the day, I suffer from an agitated mind, and if yours is at peace than it is not for me to say which is better, merely to point out something I feel able to

    Forgive me for any offence
     
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    Harry ji,
    You are a wonderful writer/author. I am envious of the eloquence, you are blessed with and how neatly you express yourself. Not many people have the quality. Dear Sp also writes beautifully and sometimes I feel that I come here for improving my English and to learn way of expression.
    IJ s has his way of thinking. You have your innovative style of stating things. Yeah, coming to Bani, I personally feel and you may necessarily not agree, it is felt that we should be governed by the meaning in the context. What is the context of Entire Guru Granth Sahib ji. I am no scholar to state on this. The context of Guru Granth Sahib ji is life time experience of 10 Nananks and many sikhs who had given up their lives for the cause. Bani of not all the Gurus is recorded in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    I cannot gauge the context in which the bani has been authored.
    Only thing that I can do is to read it as a whole as a book. I try to do it and have done many a times by reading it as a Guide and Not as a Guru i.e read an electronic copy of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    Still I feel that there is inner beauty in metaphorical expressions. If we try to alter the meaning as is conveyed by the original text we run the risk that over a period of time we shall end up in messing up with the meaning as the mind would be colored by the context provided by eminent person like IJ. It shall take up the virginity of that has been authored. Authors and commentators make deep impressions on account of their knowledge coupled with their skills in language. Let people learn from their own interpretations. Why should you not interpret the things yourself.? If I read Ij and ...Ij^n, I would be reading through colored glasses and that is I want to avoid.

    None alive, has seen death or afterwards and hence IJs summary is also not worthy of any merit as it may be devoid of this. Where mind cannot reach , let us be guided by Guru Sahib who were well tuned with the Almighty and they might have some message to convey.

    In the shabad stated above and the entire context if taken together, would convey me that we are governed by our Sanskaars/impressions that we form during the currency of entire life. May be these impressions gets expressions at the time when we have say good bye to this world of ours. Hence , again my interpretation, we should be careful in doing our deeds and acts that we do over the period of entire life. Mind would recall those things of which it carries the imprint. Hence I should spend sometime in remembering Him who has given me everything that I need.

    Hope I make some sense. Kindly ignore the mistakes and even spellings. Yes, I am completely at peace with myself and wish everyone the same. Cannot afford to make any compromises where peace of mind is concerned.
     
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    For the purposes of helping to heal an agitated mind, and also to comment on your essence fairly it is only right I share what washes over me when I read this,

    Life is a roulette wheel, no one knows what they will be thinking when they die, just as no one knows when they will die, to me this has nothing to do with reincarnation, and everything to do with life and living. As no one knows when they will die, the only way to be able to think of the Almighty, and to practice what the Almighty has given you Hukam to do, is to always be in this state, otherwise you run the risk of not covering every single number when the ball lands, because once that ball lands, once death visits, it is showtime, and you have either achieved your goal of connection, or it is too late.

    Veerji, I believe you have fallen into the very trap that IJ ji counselled against which is to view this as promising life ever after, rather than concentrating on ensuring connection with Almighty at every second, every minute of life left to live.

    I thank you for your compliments, I also find your writings very easy to read, and extremely well structured.

    You also make wonderful sense, and that fact that you are at peace suggests you are much further ahead on the path than me

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    GURBANI is the NEW GYAAN that our Guru sahibaans brought for us to APPLY and CHANGE our LIFE for the BETTER.

    In order for the "NEW" to be appreciated..the "OLD" has to be shown side by side...just as DAY cannot be appreciated in the absence of NIGHT.....

    THus in Each SHABAD we see the Guurs/Bhagats FIRST show us the "old"...the MYTHS, etc that the masses of the time were deeply entrenched IN....bathing at pilgrimage teeraths, fasting, giving their bodies tortures, japping endless mantras and jantras for merit, giving Daan and doing good deeds, paaths poojas aartees, and what not....and IN the RAHAO TUKS/or Final TUKS, the GURU PRESENTS the NEW GYAAN..the GURUS WAY..or GURMATT...and THAT is the part we are supposed to do vichaar ona nd ADOPT as our way of Life to be transformed from Manmukhs to GURMUKHS.

    BUT sadly..MOST of us today....get LOST...in the Quicksands of the "OLD"..and refuse to see the NEW !! We are so eanmoured of the NIGHT that we just continue to TURN AROUND, pull the comforters closer and go on SLEEPING...refusing to see the Break of DAWN that GURMATT presents.

    Now what does the Bhagat jis Shabad quoted by Taranjeet Ji do....in the first few lines Bhagat Ji introduces us to the "PREVALENT and POPULAR" beleifs of the masses...think this and you become this..think that and you become that...BUT whats of IMPORTANCE..is the FINAL CONCLUDING REMARKS....the ESSENCE..the GHEE that came out of churning the old beleifs....the IMPORTANCE OF NAAM..its THIS that cna change us form manmukhs to GURMUKHS...while ALIVE and Kicking in this world itself....who cares what happens after death..( Becasue NO ONE..has come back anyway..even Guru nanak ji declares so clearly that ..NO ONE KNOWS..after DEATH...Bhagat Ji states..OF what use is MUKTEE after DEATH...since no one cna SEE this..I want and desire JEEWAN MUKTEE..MUKTEE while alive so the masses can SEE and FOLLOW the path of GURMATT. Doesnt this make perfect sense ?? GURBANI is for the LIVING..the MAN....not ghosts, bhoots, prets, spirits etc....SIKH HISTORY ios chock full of GURMUKHS..Jeewan Mukts...BUT not a single instance of someone who became a SNAKE becasue he was thinking of his bank account when dying....or someone becoming a prostitute becasue he was busy "sexting" on his deathbed ?? IN Fact such ideas are an INSULT to the Prostitutes....who can point at a prostitute and say with confidence..AHH that woman was so and so who was busy sexting on his deathbed ???? We know for a FACT that millions of prostitutes are FORCED into this human slavery/trafficking syndicates etc...very few are voluntary !! Didnt Jesus say cast the first stone hwoever is innocent ?? Such utter rubbish and old fahsioned ideas emphasised by the Brahmins are hurting the sentiments of women who Guru nanak ji called So kio mandah akheyeah ??

    Sikhism/Gurmatt is the Worlds LATEST and BEST GYAAN..free of all encumbrances and baggage of old religious beleifs....lets NOT drag it backward...
     
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    This UNIQUE methodology of teaching GURMATT Begins from japji Sahib..the First Panna of our GURU JI....Socheh Soch na hoveaii......etc..etc..etc..and Finally..KIV SACHIAARA Hoeeayeha....Kiv koorreh tutteh paal ?? and GURU JI answers: HUKM RAZAII CHALLNNA !! LIFE in HIS HUKM..His RAZAA is the Perfect SOLUTION !!......Not bathing at sarovars...not keeping silent..not fasting...not being clever.....ONLY HUKM RAZAII CHALLNNA..which GURU ARJUN JI showed so well on the Hot Plate !!!
    EACH Shabad in the SGGS follows this methodology.....even the Bhagats..who came earlier ( and thats the reason Guru Ji chose thsoe shabads for inclusion in SGGS because they are perfectly in tune with GURMATT )
     
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    Dear Harry ji,

    Thanks for another lovely post. I had taken small break to catch some fresh air. The job at office is flat.

    Peace is the objective of all of us or at least some of us and that is why we find ourselves here. Reincarnation or transmigration are the terms coined to instill fear in us so that we do not deviate from being righteous and develop the virtues with His grace. I keep my present intact so that in future it does not become the cause of some uncalled for misery. But I do not discard these literally. I go by words of bani. May be I need more reading to reconcile. I am not a Nit-Nemi.

    Gyani ji and you have nicely summed up above by stating as to how to become Sachiara so that we can be with His Hukum or accept as it comes. It is only by adopting this and accepting some other important aspects that we can really be with Him or realize that we are with Him.

    Naam jaap/simran and dhyana are some of the methods prescribed by Bani to get over the ego and all other lower passions and develop virtues without which we cannot be a true devotee. It also comes with His grace. With instilling His fear and constant simran leads us to higher state i.e is Tranquility where pain and sorrow or pleasure become meaningless. It can be called as equipoised or Jeevan- mukt. Mukti or liberation as you have rightly stated is not a promise of future,it has to be here right in this world.

    We may have different ideas of liberation or Mukti. To be Jeevan Mukt is to live in the state of liberation by becoming humble ,polite and compassionate. There are some other ingredients that may go into this as well that are not stated as any sikh would be acquainted with.

    State of Brahm gyan begins with wishing well of everyone else. To be with self is the first essential ingredient and prerequisite for this. It is the state that I am trying to achieve that is to shed ego to the extent possible. But man is bundle of his impressions. To overcome this we need guidance and I am fortunate to have friends like Gyani ji and you to help me out. Gurmatt and understanding Bani is another mile stone to be covered.

    Many things , that are in abundance, can be obtained by invoking His Grace. It is all we try to do when we do simran and Naam japna.It is the way I remember Him to seek His blessings. Things should automatically reveal and should get unfold if we are in the company of saints. And what better company could be there when We have our living Guru with us. Close your eyes for fifteen minutes and be in Sachkhand.

    Oh! I was joking and do not take me seriously.
    I am reminded by my wife that it is Time to have dinner and watch Big Boss.
     
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    My concern is what is 'Ant Kaal'. First question is do anyone know his final moment? Is it Old age? Then what is 'ant kaal'. Is it the moment when one actually dies or think of jumping from top floor to die or 'ant kaal' is when someone plan i.e. to conspire to capture others wealth or right?
    Mohinder Singh Sahni
     
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    Mohinder Singh ji,
    Ant (end) kaal (time) is your final moment(s) and you don't know when it is going to be. This is exactly the motivation for why you should constantly remember God.

    SGGS already says to Simar God all the time. This shabad is specifically talking about the final moment(s) of one's life, that if you haven't been Simraning daily then at least do it now so that you have a chance of merging with God and end the cycle of reincarnation, one last ditch effort.
     
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    I find the above in very poor taste in leading into an article. This stamps and leaves impression as though reincarnation is espoused or accepted in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and so in Sikhism.

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    Gūjrī.

    Raag Gujri

    ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ੧॥
    Anṯ kāl jo lacẖẖmī simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai. Sarap jon val val a▫uṯarai. ||1||

    To the end who keeps thinking of wealth and die so wanting. Such so again and again born in serpentine life (Note:1).

    ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ਰਹਾਉ
    Arī bā▫ī gobiḏ nām maṯ bīsrai. Rahā▫o.

    Oh sister, do not forget to understand the creator.

    ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ੨॥
    Anṯ kāl jo isṯarī simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai. Besvā jon val val a▫uṯarai. ||2||

    To the end who keeps thinking of women, and die so wanting. Such so again and again born in prostitution life (Note:2).

    ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ੩॥
    Anṯ kāl jo laṛike simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai. Sūkar jon val val a▫uṯarai. ||3||

    To the end who keeps thinking of sons and die so wanting. Such so again and again born in pork life (Note:3)

    ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ੪॥
    Anṯ kāl jo manḏar simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai. Pareṯ jon val val a▫uṯarai. ||4||

    To the end who keeps thinking of mansions and die so wanting. Such so again and again born in ghost life (Note:4)

    ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ਬਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ੫॥੨॥
    Anṯ kāl nārā▫iṇ simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai. Baḏaṯ ṯilocẖan ṯe nar mukṯā pīṯambar vā ke riḏai basai. ||5||2||

    To the end who keeps thinking of creator and die so wanting. Trilochan ji says, such people find salvation with the creator in the heart
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    Note:1 Snakes guard wealth. This is a common mis-belief (Myth). Old crumbling houses, 'wadas' are ideal for snakes as they find plenty of hiding places together with rats and mice. In the days of yore, people often buried their wealth and it could be a possibility that a snake and the hidden wealth were unearthed together, giving this impression.

    Following a like scene from Jungle Book,

    Kaa (The Jungle Book) - YouTube

    Note:2 Becoming prostitute and seeing the results of your ill thoughts. Now on the receiving end of bad you wished for without realizing so.

    Note:3 Pigs having large and filthy litter (large family of he and she piglets) compared to better appreciated of the times like cows with single litter. So one spends life seeking a son, guess what as a pig you get a lot of them if you so wish.

    Don't know how many sons in the following,

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    Note:4 Resident as ghosts in large and or abandoned houses as you are so centric to such places. Left wandering in huge mansions you so wanted to have.

    So what can we do when we interpret or try to understand a writing in Gurbani. Always remember the time when it was written who was around and what were the possible myths. Gurbani uses the technique of associating with the people of the time through common discourse based on their beliefs and myths and then taking them forward. Once we go literal ignoring all that we are not reading Gurbani as created but poetry which changes with time. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is fixed in meaning and time as and when it was written by everyone of the contributors.

    Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is immense time immemorial teacher, guide, wisdom but time contextual for understanding.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    I think these lines by the Bhagat are trying to make us change our ways of living, even though they refer to the end of life ,they are meant to inspire us to give up such thoughts beforehand.

    If the prediction comes true and I become a snake, I hope I will be able to write Gods name in the earth with my body,If I become a prostitute I will try to do my best dance for him.
     
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    Exactly. This is what I was trying to convey that the moment we hatch a conspiracy to kill, rape or rob others right, we turn to snake, prostitute etc. etc is 'ANT KAAL' otherwise what is fun of becoming same at the time of actual death.
    Mohinder Singh Sahni
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    That is exactly right Jios.
    1. Gurbani already warns us that IF one doesnt begin Naam Practise in Childhood...it wont be possible in old age...Bhagat kabir Ji so vivdly describes the situation...if as Young you didnt practsie..what hope now that your eyes water, the tongue falters and feet tremble ?? So Early and constant PRACTISE MAKES PERFECT. The GURMUKHS that are strung across the Sky of Sikh history like blazing Stars...are all those who PRACTISED GURBANI while ALIVE..so constantly and consistently that Gurbani oozed out of their pores..Rom Rom Gurbani "Jappda".

    2. ALL those "animal Joons" are OUR CHARACTER while ALIVE.....Greedy as a dog suan jaisah.....filthy as a pig..dumb as an ox.....and also Humble and LOyal as a dog...faithful and hardworking as an ox...elephants BATHING at teeraths and then putting the dirt back on !! thats exactly what Many of us do really..we go to GUrdwara..bathe in snagat..vichaar..and then go right back to our usual lifestyle just out the door !!, cows, etc etc "various animal traits" are HUMAN LIFE....NOT as "joons" after DEATH.
     
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    Gyaniji can you please clarify your comment about needing to practice Naam from childhood. What hope is there then for those of us who were not so blessed?

    I'm reminded of the Gurbani which talks about 'childhood, youth and old age' where people go through their whole life as if they have their whole lives ahead of them only to wake up one day to find themselves in their old age with no time left. That would tell me that anytime is the right time to start practicing Naam.

    Although for good discipline, to start in childhood is best, obviously. I was raised strictly to brush my teeth morning and night. Now if I don't brush my teeth morning and night it feels wrong. If only to have had the same discipline with meditation or prayer.
     
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    Ishna sis,

    I think some of us are fortunate enough to have been following Sikhi from childhood in our actions without even realising it, thats why reading Bani at our current age feels like coming home
     
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    Hi Sis,

    I was listening to shabad Kehan Bholiyo re ...
    It is never too late as per the following shabad.
    Hope this shall be helpful.
    Gyani ji shall, of course, advise us
    ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ
    बसंतु महला ९ ॥
    Basanṯ mėhlā 9.
    Basant, Ninth Mehl:
    ਕਹਾ ਭੂਲਿਓ ਰੇ ਝੂਠੇ ਲੋਭ ਲਾਗ
    कहा भूलिओ रे झूठे लोभ लाग ॥
    Kahā bẖūli▫o re jẖūṯẖe lobẖ lāg.
    Why do you wander lost, O mortal, attached to falsehood and greed?
    ਕਛੁ ਬਿਗਰਿਓ ਨਾਹਿਨ ਅਜਹੁ ਜਾਗ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ
    कछु बिगरिओ नाहिन अजहु जाग ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Kacẖẖ bigri▫o nāhin ajahu jāg. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    Nothing has been lost yet - there is still time to wake up! ||1||Pause||
    ਸਮ ਸੁਪਨੈ ਕੈ ਇਹੁ ਜਗੁ ਜਾਨੁ
    सम सुपनै कै इहु जगु जानु ॥
    Sam supnai kai ih jag jān.
    You must realize that this world is nothing more than a dream.
    ਬਿਨਸੈ ਛਿਨ ਮੈ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨੁ ॥੧॥
    बिनसै छिन मै साची मानु ॥१॥
    Binsai cẖẖin mai sācẖī mān. ||1||
    In an instant, it shall perish; know this as true. ||1||
    ਸੰਗਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਸਤ ਨੀਤ
    संगि तेरै हरि बसत नीत ॥
    Sang ṯerai har basaṯ nīṯ.
    The Lord constantly abides with you.
    ਨਿਸ ਬਾਸੁਰ ਭਜੁ ਤਾਹਿ ਮੀਤ ॥੨॥
    निस बासुर भजु ताहि मीत ॥२॥
    Nis bāsur bẖaj ṯāhi mīṯ. ||2||
    Night and day, vibrate and meditate on Him, O my friend. ||2||
    ਬਾਰ ਅੰਤ ਕੀ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ
    बार अंत की होइ सहाइ ॥
    Bār anṯ kī ho▫e sahā▫e.
    At the very last instant, He shall be your Help and Support.
    ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਨ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਗਾਇ ॥੩॥੫॥
    कहु नानक गुन ता के गाइ ॥३॥५॥
    Kaho Nānak gun ṯā ke gā▫e. ||3||5||
    Says Guru Nanak, sing His Praises. ||3||5||


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    Mohinder Singh Sahni ji very well said. It reminded me of anecdotal reference to one of the comments that Tejwant Singh ji posted about 84,000 transformations/junes. One of her daughters told Daddy ji that in our life we do the following,

    So within life we experience many of the transformations on a continuous and instant basis. I thought she is one brilliant kid as I never thought of that myself but could in an instance relate to the wisdom.

    Just sharing.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Veer Ji If the above is true than any mythical metaphor that helped you learn something must be true or as real too.
     
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