Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

SGPC is blindly following Badals: Sikh groups

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by Archived_Member16, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. Archived_Member16

    Archived_Member16
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2005
    Messages:
    3,451
    Likes Received:
    3,761
    SGPC is blindly following Badals: Sikh groups

    <!-- END HEADLINE --><!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->Fri, Feb 5 09:27 PM

    Amritsar, Feb 5 (PTI) : Two Sikh groups today expressed their displeasure in SGPC chief issuing warning against those defying an edict excommunicating a former jathedar, saying Avtar Singh Makkar was "blindly" following the "orders" of the Badals. Dal Khalsa (a radical Sikh organization) and the SAD (Panch Pardhani) said Makkars tirade against them in matters related to former jathedar Akal Takht Darshan Singh''s excommunication, was being "remote-controlled" by the ruling SAD and its leadership.

    In a statement here, Dal Khalsa spokesperson Kanwarpal Singh and Harpal Singh Cheema said Makkar's acts were those of "sycophancy".

    Kanwar also asked the Sikh Sangat not to accept the hukumnama (edict) and called upon the community to liberate the Takhts and the SGPC from the control of the Badals (Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal and SAD chief Sukhbir Singh Badal). Makkar was taking orders from Badals to keep his post intact, they alleged and said Badals wrong policies and approach had resulted in denigration of Sikh institutions.
     
    • Like Like x 9
  2. Loading...


  3. Vikram singh

    Vikram singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    455
    Likes Received:
    418
    I agree, 100 % with Soul-Jyot.I will support Darshan Singh,he is very Intellectual,i think nobody in SGPC has more knowledge than Darshan Singh. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cjashan%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:punctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> SGPC was considered as a Parliament of the Sikhs, but it has never functioned as such. “We have examined that though the SGPC annually holds two sessions of the general house, but hardly any matter related to Sikh Panth has ever been tabled for debate and discussion”.
    <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
    <!--[endif]-->
     
    • Like Like x 7
  4. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    14,188
    almost none of them is above standard 8 ...aathhveen FAIL bunch of syncophnats who win via buying votes, alcohol and drug supplying. a blight on the sacred word "parliament"...
     
    • Like Like x 5
  5. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    14,188
    Here is an educated opinion on this History....taken from ANZ_SIKHS Yahoo group.

    Dear All,

    Much debate is being conducted on issue of recent events relating to excommunication of a former Jathedar of Akal Takhat,the preceding actions and post activities.

    Leaving aside the personalities and individuals, we need to look at the whole situation with Bibek Budhi, as Gurbani dictates.

    The question is about the authority of Takhats and Jathedars. Merely the fact that, a particular person has been named Jathedar of Akal Takhat and likewise of other four Takhats, does not bestow Total power in the hands of the said Jathedar. That will amount to dictatership, totally against the concept of Khalsa and against the laws of modern democratic civilisation. The Khalsa, established by Guru Gobind Singh jee is to conduct it self in democratic manner, as aptly dictated and demonstrated by Guru jee himslef.

    The authority is derived from the individuals, forming the Nation and in this instance Sikh Nation or Khalsa Panth. As per dictates of Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee, who ordained Khalsa, the anuthority is with Panth. His last dicates are on record. This is also confirmed by historic records that, Khalsa held Sarbat Khalsa or Joint Meeting of whole Khalsa. All the dicisions and Hukamnams were issued by virtue of decisions at Sarbat Khalsa. Never by and individual as Jathedar.

    After demise of Guru Gobind Singh jee, Khalsa met in secret at and around Amritsar to hold Sarbat Khalsa, for such decisions, as Amritsar was out of bounds of Khalsa and control of Harmandar Sahib was not with Khalsa, until after Banda Singh Bahadur and Baba Duleep Singh jee, though for a brief period after Guru Gobind Singh jee Bhai Mani Singh was the Head Granthi, who was also made a martyr on non payment of tax imposed by Moghul empror. But Khalsa came in secrecy and held Sarbat Khalsa in the vicinity to take joint decisions.

    Abdali razed the Harmandar Sahib and Akal Bunga to ground in 1762 and again attacked Amritsar in 1764. There was only the Sarovar or Water Tank, in which Khalsa took dips in serecy.

    The first major Sarbar Khalsa on record with a major decision is on 14 Oct 1745, at location, where stood Akal Bunga nee Akal Takhat. That secision was to re-organise Sikh Panth in 25 Jathas of 100 person each. Later on Baisakhi 29 March 1748, another Sarbat Khalsa met to pass Gurmatta or resoulution to form 11 Misles - major groups, each entrusted with a territory of Punjab area. Again on Diwali of 7 November 1760, Sarbat Khalsa met and resolved to attack and take control of Lahore, until then Khalsa had no control of a specific terirroty. Never was there any dicate aganist any individual from this location, nor any mention of any orders issued by any Jathedar. There was no Jathedar of Akal Takhat, but Jathedars were of each Jatha.

    Since this became a central location, Misles built a Bunga each on the banks of the Sarovar, where a Vakil or a representative was stationed. The Harmandar Sahib and Akal Bunga were two independent buildings, with no enclosed Parkarm or gates, which were all built later, mostly in recent times. Akal Bunga was a large room with a roof, overlooking the Sarovar, with flat open space for Sangat infront.

    Once Maharaja Ranjit Singh took power, he ingonored Misles and Sarbat Khalsa, after the last one in 1805. Maharaja Ranjit Singh ruled as dictator and destroyed the established institution of collective National decision making. Interestlingly, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, only once manipulated this instution of Sarbat Khalsa to gain pardon for his misdeamenour by marrying his court dancer. Akali Phula Singh, who fought many wars as general for Maharaja, formally issued the call for Maharaja to appear at Akal Bunga nee Akal Takhat and was given a token punishment and Maharaja undertook the task of rebuilding the small room or HarmandarSahib to a grand structure, with Deohri and gold plating of the upper half of Harmandar Sahib. This appeased Khalsa Panth and enabled Maharja to rule at his will.

    The main point to be taken note of is that, never was there power bestoed upon an individuals or on five individuals, to take unilateral decisions. The Power vested with the Sikhs as individuals forming the Khalsa Panth or Sikh Nation.

    The establishment of Akal Takhat, as an entity is another topic. Even if it was established by Guru Hargobind jee, the power was with the Guru or later with the Khalsa Panth. Dasam Guru Sahib bestowed that power on Sangat or Khala Panth. The formation of other 4 Takhats is of course completely unauthorised, as neither Guru Sahiban, nor Khalsa Panth collectively have approved those.

    Thus, the status of Jathedars of these so called Takhats is totally unauthorised, void of any legitimate authority. Worst of all, when the Jathedars are merely pupits of the policticians' appointed management of SGPC and other committes of these "Takhats".

    SGPC is merely a committee established under the Act of Indian Govt, to manage the historic Gurdwaras in Punjab, like the DSGPC to manage those in Delhi. The other two "Takhats" in Maharashtra and Bihar are totally under the control of State Govts. adminstered by local Deputy Commissioners, who nominate members of management committees and Sikhs have NIL authority.

    Thus, this is an opportunity to do some real thinking and all those interested in welfare of the future of Sikh Panth, must agree for call of a Sarbat Khalsa, to make decisions on manner of future management of Sikh affairs.

    Singh Sahib Bhai Darshan Singh should serve notice on these Jathedars to call Sarbat Khalsa to review the wole situation and place the matter before a Sarbat Khalsa. If it is not accepted then he should file suite in courts of India, to seek justice under laws of the country, for such grave injustice being done. Once in the courts of law, the rational arguments of the status of and authority - if any - of the "Jathedars" would be discussed and truth brougt out, once for all to STOP this grave situation. The exploitation by politicians of the Sikh instutions, to gain the control over society or say Sikh Panth and its indiviiduals, must be stopped to save the Khalsa Panth.

    Manmohan Singh
    Australia
     
    • Like Like x 3
  6. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Gyani ji

    You lay it out perfectly. Now how do we educate people?
     
  7. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    Sawa lakh se EK larraoan
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    14,188
    Keep on "teaching"....thats is what Teachers do.
    Just look at how Guru Nanak ji handled the issue..( GURU also means TEACHER !!)..
    Since one "lifetime" (even one of about 80+=years) wasnt really "enough" to accomplish His Mission of EDUCATION...GYAAN...LIGHT to a darkened world..He passed on His Torch to NINE SUCCESSORS...over 240 years which would be impossible for one lifetime...and without breaking any of the Creators Laws of Nature/life times..

    And the Last "lifetime" did an even more revolutionary thing..He passed on His Torch to an EVERLASTING GURU..the GYaan Guru Shabad Guru..the SGGS !! which can be in a MILLION places simultaneoulsy..speak in a hundred thousnad LANGUAGES..reach out to all and sundry in their homes. The Firts GURU - Guru nanak ji travelled the KNOWN WORLD for more than 40 YEARS...the Present GURU - SGGS is in every corner of the world..in homes, schools, colleges, libraries, universities, you name it..SGGS is there..spreading GYAAN.

    OUR Job is thus very simple...STICK to SGGS like the proverbial ..non-removable GLUE..and keep on spreading the GYAAN we Borrow form this Gyaan suraj...lighting candles of GYAAN and handing them over..a few may get extinguished..never mind..light another..and hand it over...after all the GYAAN in SGGS is everlasting and can never be finished..ever..
     
    • Like Like x 2

Share This Page