Salvation Before Guru Nanak?
By Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh in “Gurmat”, September 1959
One friend has raised the doubt that if Satnaam (the true naam) has only been given by Guru Sahib and if humans can only be saved and liberated by Satnaam, how were humans liberated before the arrival of Guru Nanak Sahib jee?
It has been proven [in other books] through Gurmat principles that true salvation is only possible through Satnaam.
In reply to this, with the beat of a drum and in a thundering voice I say not once but hundreds of thousands of times that true salvation for humans and true liberation is only possible through Satnaam and this Satnaam has only been revealed by Satguru Nanak Sahib.
Sri Guru Nanak Dashmesh jee in his bani, Bachitar Natak has made it very clear that all those Avtars, Prophets etc. who came to this earth were sent by Akal Purakh for the salvation of humanity however, Guru Sahib has said about them:
ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥
Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend God.
Also,
ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਉਪਜਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ॥
All the great men created by me started their own paths.
And also,
ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਨਿਕ ਸਿੱਧ ਕੋ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨਾ ਰਾਹੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥
Whosoever attained a little spiritual power, he started his own path.
ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਮਮ ਉਚਾਰਤੇ ਭਯੋ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ॥੧੬॥
None could comprehend the Lord, but instead became mad, saying “I” (with ego)16.
ਪਰਮ ਤੱਤ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਆਪ ਆਪ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥
Nobody recognized the Supreme Essence, but was entangled within himself.
Finally,
ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥
He caused all to utter his name and did not enshrine (driR) Satnaam of the Lord to anyone.27.
So this is clear from the words of Sri Nanak Dashmesh that ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ .
Before Satguru Nanak, Satnaam was not given and enshrined (driR) by anyone. How could they give it since this Satnaam was not obtained from the Dargah (court) of Akaal Purakh by anyone except Guru Nanak?
How could they obtain it since no one (none of the earlier prophets) cared about the true salvation of humanity? They were all just concerned about themselves. They became full of themselves because of the fact that they had heard a celestial voice tell them to help save humanity. [The voice] said that they were appointed leaders of men and with this they became egotistical. Only Guru Nanak-Dashmesh jee were saved from this egotistical way. Ah! With what amazing humility does Sri Guru Dashmesh jee say,
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬਾਚ ਇਸ ਕੀਟ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ॥
The Words of Akaal Purakh to this insect:
And Akaal Purakh’s hukam is as such:
ਮੈ ਅਪਨਾ ਸੁਤ ਤੋਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਕਰਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਸਾਜਾ ॥
I have appointed you as my son and hath created you for the propagation of the Panth
ਜਾਹਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਬੁਧਿ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਹਟਾਇ ॥੨੯॥
"You go therefore for the spread of Dharma (righteousness) and stop the people from foolish actions".29.
Look at the humility in Sri Dashmesh jee’s answer to this hukam of Akaal Purakh:
ਠਾਢ ਭਯੋ ਮੈ ਜੋਰਿ ਕਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਆਇ ॥
I stood up with folded hands and bowing down my head, I said:
ਪੰਥ ਚਲੈ ਤਬ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੩੦॥
"The Panth shall prevail in the world, when you give your assistance."30.
Satguru Nanak jee came, being sent from Akaal Purakh with the orders from Dargah, and whenever he came to perform the selfless task of offering salvation of the countless universes, Guru Baba did not do anything of his own will. He went to Sachkhand and took the orders from there and accepting Akaal Purakh as his Guru, took the Guru Deekhyaa (initiation). He took the true initiation deekhyaa and every time [he came], kept taking it.
Yes, he obtained the Gurmukh divine gift of nau-nidh naam gareebee.gurmuK pweI dwq ielwhI
Yes, bwbw pYDw sc KMf nOiniD nwm grIbI pweI]
Baba[Guru Nanak] reached Sachkhand wherefrom he received Naam, the storehouse of nine treasures and humility.
He set this example and continued to set it.
After obtained the true gift of Satnaam from the Lord’s Court, Guru Baba, Satguru Nanak Sachay Paatshaah distributed Satnaam to the human world. Not only on this land of Bharat (Hindustan) but in all directions of the world he sent out Satnaam.
gVH bgdwd invwiekY mkw mdInw sB invwXw]
After making Baghdad, the citadel (of pirs) bow, Mecca, Madina, and, all were humbled.
isD cOrwsIh mMflI Kt drSn pwKMf jxwXw]
He (Baba Nanak) exposed the eighty four siddhs and the hypocrisies of the six schools of Indian philosophy.
pwqwlW AwkwS lK ij`qI DrqI jgq sbwXw]
Hundreds of thousands of underworlds, the skies, earths and the whole world were conquered.
ijqI nvKMf mydnI sqnwm kw ckR iPrwXw]
Subjugating all the nine divisions of earth he established the cycle of Satnaam.
dyvdwno rwks dYNq sB icqR gupq sB crnI lwXw]
All the gods, demons, raksasa, daitys, Chitragupt et al. bowed at his feet.
ieMdRwsx Ap`CrW rwg rwgnI mMgl gwXw]
Indra and his nymphs sang auspicious songs in his praise.
BXw AnMd jgq ivic kil qwrn gur nwnk AwXw]
The whole world came into bliss as Guru Nanak came to save those in Kaljug
ihMdU muslmwn invwXw]
The Hindus and Muslims were all made to bow.
Not only this world, but hundreds of thousands of Universes and galaxies and planets were won by Satnaam. Yes! Guru Baba spun the chakar of Satnaam in hundreds of thousands of planets like ours and saved countless universes with the support of Satnaam.
Yes! It is true! He being koit bRhmMf ko Twkuru suAwmI srb jIAw kw dwqw ry ] Master of millions of universes, the Giver of all beings. He is the resident of countless universes and giver to countless beings.
He is the giver of the gift of jIA dwnu dy BgqI lwiein The gift of life and he is the one who attaches to Bhagti.
Scientists have discovered only now that in sky, in the stars we see, there are countless planets like ours and countless suns like our sun. It was regarding this that 500 years ago Satguru Nanak Dev said boldly
kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ]
So many Indras, so many moons and suns, so many worlds and lands.
Not only did he say this boldly, he made countless Gursikhs aware of the amazing giaan in Giaan Khand.
He showed the reality and scene of kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ] in clear form.
The research of scientists is yet very little and still not developed but Satguru Nanak showed Pir Dastgir’s son in the blink of an eye, all the hundreds and thousands of universes and galaxies. In the blink of an eye he took him on a trip through the galaxies and universes. To prove the truth of the vastness of creation to Pir Dastgir, who only believed in Islam’s 7 upper and nether regions, and to make him board the boat of true faith and belief, Guru Sahib did all this:
nwl lIqw bytw pIr dw AKIN mIt igAw hvweI]
Guru Nanak Dev taking along with him the son of the pir, melted into thin air.
lK AkwS pqwl lK AK Purk ivc sB idKlweI]
And in a wink of eye showed him the hundreds of thousands of upper and lower worlds.
And also,
Br kckOl pRSwd dw DuroN pqwloN leI kVwhI]
From the nether world he brought a cauldron full of parshaad and handed some over to the Pir
From this it is clear and proven that before offering salvation to this world, Satguru Nanak had spread the order and cycle of Satnaam in countless universes and galaxies and saved them. And Guru Baba’s Sangat in the nether worlds was enjoying Karah Parshad just like the sangat here does [it was from this sangat that Guru Sahib brought the karah parshad back for Pir Dastgir].
The lord of the entire creation cares about and is concerned for all his creation. And just like this, he is concerned about the goings on in each epoch.
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By Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh in “Gurmat”, September 1959
One friend has raised the doubt that if Satnaam (the true naam) has only been given by Guru Sahib and if humans can only be saved and liberated by Satnaam, how were humans liberated before the arrival of Guru Nanak Sahib jee?
It has been proven [in other books] through Gurmat principles that true salvation is only possible through Satnaam.
In reply to this, with the beat of a drum and in a thundering voice I say not once but hundreds of thousands of times that true salvation for humans and true liberation is only possible through Satnaam and this Satnaam has only been revealed by Satguru Nanak Sahib.
Sri Guru Nanak Dashmesh jee in his bani, Bachitar Natak has made it very clear that all those Avtars, Prophets etc. who came to this earth were sent by Akal Purakh for the salvation of humanity however, Guru Sahib has said about them:
ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥
Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend God.
Also,
ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਉਪਜਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ॥
All the great men created by me started their own paths.
And also,
ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਨਿਕ ਸਿੱਧ ਕੋ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨਾ ਰਾਹੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥
Whosoever attained a little spiritual power, he started his own path.
ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਮਮ ਉਚਾਰਤੇ ਭਯੋ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ॥੧੬॥
None could comprehend the Lord, but instead became mad, saying “I” (with ego)16.
ਪਰਮ ਤੱਤ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਆਪ ਆਪ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥
Nobody recognized the Supreme Essence, but was entangled within himself.
Finally,
ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥
He caused all to utter his name and did not enshrine (driR) Satnaam of the Lord to anyone.27.
So this is clear from the words of Sri Nanak Dashmesh that ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ .
Before Satguru Nanak, Satnaam was not given and enshrined (driR) by anyone. How could they give it since this Satnaam was not obtained from the Dargah (court) of Akaal Purakh by anyone except Guru Nanak?
How could they obtain it since no one (none of the earlier prophets) cared about the true salvation of humanity? They were all just concerned about themselves. They became full of themselves because of the fact that they had heard a celestial voice tell them to help save humanity. [The voice] said that they were appointed leaders of men and with this they became egotistical. Only Guru Nanak-Dashmesh jee were saved from this egotistical way. Ah! With what amazing humility does Sri Guru Dashmesh jee say,
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬਾਚ ਇਸ ਕੀਟ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ॥
The Words of Akaal Purakh to this insect:
And Akaal Purakh’s hukam is as such:
ਮੈ ਅਪਨਾ ਸੁਤ ਤੋਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਕਰਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਸਾਜਾ ॥
I have appointed you as my son and hath created you for the propagation of the Panth
ਜਾਹਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਬੁਧਿ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਹਟਾਇ ॥੨੯॥
"You go therefore for the spread of Dharma (righteousness) and stop the people from foolish actions".29.
Look at the humility in Sri Dashmesh jee’s answer to this hukam of Akaal Purakh:
ਠਾਢ ਭਯੋ ਮੈ ਜੋਰਿ ਕਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਆਇ ॥
I stood up with folded hands and bowing down my head, I said:
ਪੰਥ ਚਲੈ ਤਬ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੩੦॥
"The Panth shall prevail in the world, when you give your assistance."30.
Satguru Nanak jee came, being sent from Akaal Purakh with the orders from Dargah, and whenever he came to perform the selfless task of offering salvation of the countless universes, Guru Baba did not do anything of his own will. He went to Sachkhand and took the orders from there and accepting Akaal Purakh as his Guru, took the Guru Deekhyaa (initiation). He took the true initiation deekhyaa and every time [he came], kept taking it.
Yes, he obtained the Gurmukh divine gift of nau-nidh naam gareebee.gurmuK pweI dwq ielwhI
Yes, bwbw pYDw sc KMf nOiniD nwm grIbI pweI]
Baba[Guru Nanak] reached Sachkhand wherefrom he received Naam, the storehouse of nine treasures and humility.
He set this example and continued to set it.
After obtained the true gift of Satnaam from the Lord’s Court, Guru Baba, Satguru Nanak Sachay Paatshaah distributed Satnaam to the human world. Not only on this land of Bharat (Hindustan) but in all directions of the world he sent out Satnaam.
gVH bgdwd invwiekY mkw mdInw sB invwXw]
After making Baghdad, the citadel (of pirs) bow, Mecca, Madina, and, all were humbled.
isD cOrwsIh mMflI Kt drSn pwKMf jxwXw]
He (Baba Nanak) exposed the eighty four siddhs and the hypocrisies of the six schools of Indian philosophy.
pwqwlW AwkwS lK ij`qI DrqI jgq sbwXw]
Hundreds of thousands of underworlds, the skies, earths and the whole world were conquered.
ijqI nvKMf mydnI sqnwm kw ckR iPrwXw]
Subjugating all the nine divisions of earth he established the cycle of Satnaam.
dyvdwno rwks dYNq sB icqR gupq sB crnI lwXw]
All the gods, demons, raksasa, daitys, Chitragupt et al. bowed at his feet.
ieMdRwsx Ap`CrW rwg rwgnI mMgl gwXw]
Indra and his nymphs sang auspicious songs in his praise.
BXw AnMd jgq ivic kil qwrn gur nwnk AwXw]
The whole world came into bliss as Guru Nanak came to save those in Kaljug
ihMdU muslmwn invwXw]
The Hindus and Muslims were all made to bow.
Not only this world, but hundreds of thousands of Universes and galaxies and planets were won by Satnaam. Yes! Guru Baba spun the chakar of Satnaam in hundreds of thousands of planets like ours and saved countless universes with the support of Satnaam.
Yes! It is true! He being koit bRhmMf ko Twkuru suAwmI srb jIAw kw dwqw ry ] Master of millions of universes, the Giver of all beings. He is the resident of countless universes and giver to countless beings.
He is the giver of the gift of jIA dwnu dy BgqI lwiein The gift of life and he is the one who attaches to Bhagti.
Scientists have discovered only now that in sky, in the stars we see, there are countless planets like ours and countless suns like our sun. It was regarding this that 500 years ago Satguru Nanak Dev said boldly
kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ]
So many Indras, so many moons and suns, so many worlds and lands.
Not only did he say this boldly, he made countless Gursikhs aware of the amazing giaan in Giaan Khand.
He showed the reality and scene of kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ] in clear form.
The research of scientists is yet very little and still not developed but Satguru Nanak showed Pir Dastgir’s son in the blink of an eye, all the hundreds and thousands of universes and galaxies. In the blink of an eye he took him on a trip through the galaxies and universes. To prove the truth of the vastness of creation to Pir Dastgir, who only believed in Islam’s 7 upper and nether regions, and to make him board the boat of true faith and belief, Guru Sahib did all this:
nwl lIqw bytw pIr dw AKIN mIt igAw hvweI]
Guru Nanak Dev taking along with him the son of the pir, melted into thin air.
lK AkwS pqwl lK AK Purk ivc sB idKlweI]
And in a wink of eye showed him the hundreds of thousands of upper and lower worlds.
And also,
Br kckOl pRSwd dw DuroN pqwloN leI kVwhI]
From the nether world he brought a cauldron full of parshaad and handed some over to the Pir
From this it is clear and proven that before offering salvation to this world, Satguru Nanak had spread the order and cycle of Satnaam in countless universes and galaxies and saved them. And Guru Baba’s Sangat in the nether worlds was enjoying Karah Parshad just like the sangat here does [it was from this sangat that Guru Sahib brought the karah parshad back for Pir Dastgir].
The lord of the entire creation cares about and is concerned for all his creation. And just like this, he is concerned about the goings on in each epoch.
Source:phorum - message board
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