Religion And Haircut Issue

[Aahil Singh]

what if your father was Hitler?

WTH?

 

[Aahil Singh]

You have to honor your mother and father.

Ji I try to but doesn't always turn out right.

 

[Harry Haller]

Ji I try to but doesn't always turn out right.

and he isn't even Hitler!

 

[Aahil Singh]

Aahil ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:



You can get the answers from this thread about your question above. No, there is no prohibition in SGGS as far eating meat is concerned.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.8828/

And here is the general idea of what Sikhi is in a PowerPoint presentation given by me to HLS- Homeland Security.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threa...ion-by-tejwant-singh-malik.44889/#post-201714

I hope the above helps. If you have any more questions, we are all here for you.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Thank u sir, I did go through the sources including the presentation and they were all wonderful....I didn't know the connotation behind wearing a Kara before going thorough ur presentation...thanks 4 that.
As an conclusion I guess, I'll just have to face it and start of with going to mum and ask; to just open the topic and see what happens and go from there...regardless of the unexpected drama/consequences. that'll be the weirdest moment of my life, hopefully all goes well, i'll just wait for the right time to start the process.......!
But thank you for your support sir

 

[Aahil Singh]

and he isn't even Hitler!

sorry but I don't know wat ur going on bout mate.

 

[Aahil Singh]

Then change your life and actions to be based on the words of Lord Krishna.



It's ok if you don't want to be a Sikh and adhere to the Sikh code of conduct. You can be visit all the various religious temples, etc. as per your wish. That is fine. But if you will take this path, then please don't don any of the Sikh artifacts. Please take off the kara, turban, etc. and leave them behind. The last thing that Sikhs want is more confusion about who they are and what they stand for.

As far as visiting Gurudwara, everyone is welcome regardless of what their beliefs are. So you will still be able to attend Gurudwara even after you cut your hair, etc. Putting on a turban is not a requirement to enter the Gurudwara. If you've already decided to cut your hair and remove the turban, there is no sense in putting on the turban on certain days or when visiting Gurudwara. Just go as you are.

[AoG]

ActsOfGod ji, I star Krishna’s words because they interest me and interest isn’t everything. There is a difference between liking something and viewing something as interesting. Nor does interest is the highest stage. As in, you might like something but wouldn’t want to be involved in it and might just prefer to watch it from a distance. I like all religions but Krishna interests me more- this has variety of reasons including, to amount of detail displayed, stories, rituals etc.

I never said I don’t want to be sikh, Is an individual Sikh not allowed to go to any other religion temples? Does an individual without a turban not allowed to hold the status of being a sikh?

And I don’t think anyone’s words can take away a title or change an identity. I mean no disrespect by saying any of this..

See!! it’s elements as such which forms conflict within society, I just wish there were no religions, if there was to then only one religion…and that way the word religion wouldn’t even exist.

Also because of elements as such I believe is the cause of the existence of more than one religion; In other words: Division in society through the argument of acceptation or rejection of particular elements of certain religion causing the religion to split and turn into two different religions with a different identity and a title.

I would prefer to match in with the atmosphere depending on the situation, even tho it might not be essential in most cases. Thanks ji..

 

[Aahil Singh]

So what you're saying is that you just want to flirt and date without making a commitment. That may be ok for now, but remember that in the long run, the girl will expect her man to eventually propose to marry her, and then they can settle down and begin their life together. Until you make a real commitment from your heart, there cannot be love.



It's not important what others think, it's important what you think. Why place the burden of moving you from your decision on other people? Make a decision and stick to it. This is a forum on Sikhi, so naturally people here will be more inclined towards Sikhi. So many people come here and post the same thing about wanting to cut their hair, as if they somehow expect people to convince them otherwise, or to give them permission to do so. What really matters is what's going on inside your head and heart. Take some responsibility and make a decision. Don't put it all on the sangat.

If you want the sangats answer, they will always say "No! Don't do it!" Because they value the gift from Guru Sahib. But you have to have eyes to see. This is no easy task.

As far as hair & turban being a tradition/culture and part of a system. It is not. The 5 K's are an integral part of Sikhi. It is the Hukam from Guru Sahib that we keep our unshorn kesh. A Sikh loves Guru Sahib and follows Hukam. We accept Guru's wisdom ("Gurmat") as enlightened wisdom, and we make efforts to follow it instead of our own, severely limited mat ("Manmat"). This has nothing to do with tradition or culture, or fads or fashion which comes and goes.

[AoG]

What, I do love god but just don’t take unnecessary elements in much of consideration or as highlight…. But not against anything here. Nor do I flirt with anything. I have highlighted every fact in the beginning that there’s nothing new for me to mention. I am not trying to be a smartass or show off anything or try to attract people to the beliefs which I consider. I’ve never shared my religion beliefs to anyone other than few close friends and preferred to view a review from within Sikhism, that was the main reason me mentioning lot on religion related stuff although my focus was to find a method to practice the process of getting a haircut & how I could maybe convince my parents which have the same stable believes as most of the sangat here….

I had no attentions to hurt anyone’s feeling or draw them to an incorrect direction, or go against any individual’s faith or beliefs. Apologies, but your words seem harsh, sorry if I produced a mistake….

 

[ActsOfGod]

I never said I don’t want to be sikh, Is an individual Sikh not allowed to go to any other religion temples?

Yes of course a Sikh can go visit the temples, mosques, synagogues, etc. However, adopting their rituals and form of worship, ideology, philosophy is a different matter altogether.

Does an individual without a turban not allowed to hold the status of being a sikh?

I am not the one to answer that question as I hold no authority on that subject. Best to ask Guru Sahib.

And I don’t think anyone’s words can take away a title or change an identity. I mean no disrespect by saying any of this..

Good question, what is identity? How does one convey to others what their identity is?

See!! it’s elements as such which forms conflict within society, I just wish there were no religions, if there was to then only one religion…and that way the word religion wouldn’t even exist.

Religion is a man-made concept, to be sure. However, from your posts it seems to appear that you haven't investigated or learned very much about Sikh philosophy and teachings. Perhaps take some time and do a deeper study of Sikhi, and you will be surprised at what you learn. Sikhi is not a religion of rituals and rites. It is a way of living.

[AoG]

 

[ActsOfGod]

What, I do love god but just don’t take unnecessary elements in much of consideration or as highlight….

Please elaborate.

But not against anything here. Nor do I flirt with anything. I have highlighted every fact in the beginning that there’s nothing new for me to mention.

Suppose someone goes to a casino. He decides to play the roulette. The dealer calls for everyone to place their bets. This guy says "I want to play this game, but I don't want to place my chip on red or black."

Dealer says: "Place your bets place. Red or black."

Man says: "I really am committed to playing this game, I really am. But I'm not placing a bet."

Dealer: "If you don't place a bet, you can't play."

Man: "I want to play!"

Dealer: "Then place a bet. Red or black."

Man: "I like them equally! I like them both! Besides, why can't I come up with my own color, I really think yellow suits the board."

Dealer: "There is no yellow here, only red or black. If you want to play the game and have a chance to win, place your bet."

Man: "I want to play! But I don't want to place on red or black! Why is that so wrong? Why can't I use yellow?"

Dealer: "If there was a yellow slot, you could put your chip on it. But there are only red or black. That's how this game is played. Want to play or not? Other players have placed their bets and are waiting."

I am not trying to be a smartass or show off anything or try to attract people to the beliefs which I consider. I’ve never shared my religion beliefs to anyone other than few close friends and preferred to view a review from within Sikhism,

I'm very interested in hearing your religious beliefs, if you would be so kind as to share.

that was the main reason me mentioning lot on religion related stuff although my focus was to find a method to practice the process of getting a haircut & how I could maybe convince my parents which have the same stable believes as most of the sangat here….

Ah, so we finally learn your motivation for asking the question. You just want to know how to best approach your parents because you think that the sangat here are pretty much the same as them.

It makes me feel a bit sad, honestly. There are some sangat members on here who are real gems, and I know that I've learned so much about Sikhi from people on this forum. One in particular guided me towards Guru Sahib in a way which I will be forever grateful for. You never know which Guru ka Sikh you will encounter, and if you have such good fortune that your path in life may be altered for the better. These kinds of things are what we consider real blessings.

And yet, here you are just trying to find a good argument to present to your folks for cutting your hair. You've missed out on the treasure chest of invaluable jewels and diamonds, and are digging around in the dirt for a worthless shell. That's the analogy that comes to mind when I think about what you're doing here.

[AoG]

 

[Sanjeev Singh]

Satnam Waheguru,

Satshriakaal ji,

I read different comments from different people, and they all are from different age group with different experiences. Let waheguru do its part so patience is what you all need.

When time comes the answers will be showered on you about what is right and what is wrong. "Gyan utare Dhoye" knowledge is what you should seek from Guruji (GuruGranth Sahib ji) not from other beings who are getting knowledge from Guruji and with little knowledge they start answering questions. The answer lies within you ask yourself you will get the reply. Best way to get the answers is read Gurubaani with Sateek (translated in easy language) by Prof.Saheb Singh Ji.

As per modern culture sikhi helps from:-
1. radiation and signalling of mobiles, pollution and other environmental hazard - we have turban.
2. no era gera can touch us - we have kirpan
3. we can take shower in open (if need arises, also some other benefits also there) - we have kachcha
4. no devil can attack us - we have kara
5. no bad influential like womanizing, smoking, doing childish acts - kesh protect us to do so.
6. we should avoid using plastic comb as they create static charge - so guruji gave us wooden comb kanga.

please decide what more you want to survive in greedy era.

"Waheguruji ka khalsa wahe guruji ki fateh!"

 

[Harry Haller]

As per modern culture sikhi helps from:-
1. radiation and signalling of mobiles, pollution and other environmental hazard - we have turban.

how can anyone take anything seriously when you are advocating that the turban is some sort of supernatural device that has divine powers?

2. no era gera can touch us - we have kirpan

sorry, what is an era gera? and what happens if it touches you?

3. we can take shower in open (if need arises, also some other benefits also there) - we have kachcha

oh well, if there was ever a reason to be a Sikh, that would be it!

4. no devil can attack us - we have kara

does the kara have magical powers?

5. no bad influential like womanizing, smoking, doing childish acts - kesh protect us to do so.

how? and since when was doing childish acts bad? are adult acts any better? I would rather be a child with no agenda, than an adult with lots of agendas,

6. we should avoid using plastic comb as they create static charge - so guruji gave us wooden comb kanga.

well you certainly make Sikhism sound like a modern intelligent fact based way of life!

I just have one more question, what happened to all this stuff in 1984? or, again, does Sikhism exist to lessen our static charge and get rid of era geras? should it have a disclaimer? this religion is for novelty purposes only, not to be used if hordes of people are trying to kill you?

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

Being a Sikh gives me the strength to keep going through all adversity, usually with a goofy grin on my face. Even when hoards of cretins are trying to kill me. Even when my own body has turned against me. That's enough for me.

 

[Sanjeev Singh]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh,

Thanks for your concern, you made your comments with points, just want to say little that two people standing on different angle have their own point of view.

 

[Inderjeet Kaur]

Just for reference, hereis the official definition of a Sikh from Sikh Rehit Maryada (SGPC)

SIKH CODE OF CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS

Section One

CHAPTER 1
The Definition of Sikh :

Article I
Any human being who faithfully believes in
i. One Immortal Being,
ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,
iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,
iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and
v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

No mention of kakkars or turban or even gurudwara.

 

[Ishna]

So, @Aahil Singh Ji, how are you going?

 

[Sanjeev Singh]

Hi Aahil singh, in today world everybody is smart then other, you ask and many will arise to give opinion even though they themselves are confuse in life. So do what your life directs you and find solution in your inner self.