1. Dear Guest, we truly appreciate your patience while we are working hard on the upgrade process, which was forced upon us due to the decline of our original forum software. Good news is SPN is almost ready to resume its normal operations soon. The new cutting edge software has been chosen with a primary focus on enhancing user experience especially while using SPN on the mobile devices such as tablets or phones. This new platform will also provide us the opportunity to implement new ideas which were not possible in old software. Forum appearance will be an on going process and you would notice significant changes as we mature working in the new software environment. Some of the core functionality like the blogs will be restored gradually. Once, the forum is fully active, please take your time navigating around the new forum functionality. We will also introduce you to new functionality from time to time.

Puratan Ragi- Bhai Bakshish Singh ji

Discussion in 'Kirtan' started by Gyani Jarnail Singh, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

    The way KIRTAN should be sung.....
    Each single word of GURBANI is clearly heard/audible..and sound of saaz/musical instruments is SECONDARY !! AND ONLY GURBANI as WRITTEN in SGGS...cent per cent..NO "additions" such as Waheguru waheguru satnam bolo ji Satnam etc etc to BREAK the uninterrupted flow of GURBANI !! Waheguru satnam can be japped at END of a shabad but NOT in MIDWAY...

    2. The WAY Gurbani Videos should be SHOWN....with GURBANI and or its Meanings..NOT as usually shown..Gaudily dressed RAGIS in Matching dastaars cholas shining new wajas tablas.... showmanship style. The RAGI JATHA usually occupies 100% of the VCD screen..and GURBANI is in the bACKGROUND as AUDIO ONLY. Even worse are the Dhadrianwallah types who dont even Sing GURBANI..but tell tall tales, sakhis, irrelvant stories and pass the time, in gaudy showmanship clothes.

    3. Notice the advise given in the Rahao Tuk....Har ka Bilovanna Bhai...its perfectly in line with what Modern Scinece tells us TODAY....Example is by Bhagat Kabir Ji more thna 600 YEARS AGO...6 CENTURIES AGO...BUT what Kabir Ji tells us..no one knew until a few years ago...That FAST SPEED BLENDING/MIXING/GRINDING etc etc DESTROYS essential Vitamins, food elements etc.....Bhagat ji informs us that For FULL and HEALTHY effect we need to blend/grind/mix whatever..at SLOW AND STEADY PACE..such action RETAINS ALL VITAMINS and essentila elements in "food"...in this case its SPIRITUAL LEVEL. Bhagat ji says the Name of HAR..should be blended at a slow sehaj speed with full LOve and attention...so that the "Tatts"..vitamins, minerals etc are NOT LOST....and our MIND/MANN gets full "benefits" from the blending/mixing of Har-Naam !! ( Bilovanna is what Punjabi housewives used to do early morning..place fresh milk/or YOUGHURT in an earthen pot and RIRRAKK..swirl a wooden stick rapidly inside the pot to make BUTTER..(DHUDH/DHAIEN RIRRKANNA) The resulting butter was then made into GHEE and the Butter-milk was drunk as Lassii.
    Now a days this Rirrking is doen by High speed Blenders with steel blades...no ownder then that lasee and ghee butter etc doesnt taste the same !! ATTA ground by steel drums revolving at high speed versus ATTA ground by STONE MILLS run slowly by Running water tastes miles apart..STONE GROUND ATTA is cool and sweet...high speed ground atta is HOT and tastes bitter !! Obvioulsy stone grinding retains all vitamins etc..BUT is not viable anymore due to high demand for quick grinding now done by modern mills of steel drums...THUS all vitamins minerals DESTROYED during manufacture have to be ARTIFICIALLY ADDED LATER !! as in Powdered Milk as well...Isnt it amazing that Bhagat Kabir Ji is telling us all this 6 centuroies ago....for ME.it is !!

    First Video....
    YouTube - Har Ka Bilovna Bilovo Mere Bhai - Puratan Hazoori Ragi Bhai Bakshish Singh
     
  2. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  3. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  4. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  5. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  6. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  7. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  8. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  9. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

    THIS is the LP that came out in the early 1970s..and I so fell in LOVE with Bhai bakshish Singh Jis Kirtan that I straight away bought a spare copy of the LP ( at a price of Singapore Dollars 90 which in those days was a princely sum...one copy was not enough as i didnt wnat to risk losing it ever..i still have both copies in pristine condition...those days a LP had just 1-3 shabads on it...imagine the hundreds of thoisuands free on the Internet today..hw incredibly lucky we are...)

    YouTube - Aao Jee Tu Aao Hamare (V1) - Puratan Hazoori Ragi Bhai Bakshish Singh
     
  10. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

  11. ballym

    ballym SPNer

    I have this question regarding singing:
    Is it more important to have correct sihari/ bihari/ wording or is it more important to have people/ Sangat sing along or after.
    In my view, singing/ prticipation is more important. fear of being 100% correct takes people away from the enjoyment of singing Gurbani. We should promote singing by all sangat.
     
  12. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

    Sangat participation is a two way street. To ensure a worthwhile session of snagat sing along participation a HARD COPY or a Computer screen image of the Shabad is VITAL.
    Normally what happens is the "sangat" is restricted to just..Boloh Ji Waheguru..boloh ji waheguru (repeated when the ragi feels he didnt get a loud enough response ).
    the dhadrianwallah types..just make everyone repeat their two liner jingle..presumably so they can get a breather..becasue seated right behidn them are professional repeaters with mikes placed before them so their voices carry clout as compared to the snagat without mikes.
    I spent almost all my life living among sikhs and close to ragis and all such...i have seen how ladies have been repeating wrong words all their lives...most common was the ardass shabad Tum Thakur tum peh ardass..UCHEH TE..was repeated as Uche SE..ready made answer..oh ji MOOHN Charr Giyah..naaleh Guru Ji jannee jaan han..i am NOT intentionally saying by mistake..everyone is doing it..blah blah.. If the snagat depends on "audio" to repeat...its sure fire way of making mistakes because different people hear differently !! its a FACT. The WRITTEN must be right in front of each person.

    But really all this is "technical"...each person in the sangat has his/her own private One on One with the GURU JI..I have long stopped agonisisng/flinching inwardly when the nice sikh man sitting next to me "murders" what the Ragi is saying..without a clue of what the words mean and what he is repeating is opposite !! Computerised projection sof shabds has improved a lot..Ragis also very careful they dont make a mistake..Paathi also reads bhog shbads at reasonable speed and clarity...all for the BEST JIOS...Main THING is to attend SANGAT.
     
    spnadmin likes this.
  13. ballym

    ballym SPNer

    Projector display makes a LOT of difference. I am going to a Gurudwara where display is made when possible and this is the first time in my life that I did sing after the Raagi Saahib. It felt so great. And the translation provides meaning for new generation. I guess the researcha nd study efforts on SGGS ji will focus on this aspect and make effort to make everyone realise God within.
    More efforts are needed to make the software more easy and more Gurudwaras must have it.
     
    Gyani Jarnail Singh and spnadmin like this.
  14. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

    WAY to go Ballym jio....spread the message...and please make an effort to learn up the software/laptop/projector set up at your local Gurdwara so YOU can run it when required...Most times the equipment is left IDLE and not used simply becasue no one knows HOW..and the regualr person is absent...each person in the snagat should learn this and treat it as SEWA...and IF possible Install MORE Screens so each person can get a clear view of the shabads..
     
    spnadmin likes this.
  15. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Sawa lakh se EK larraoan SPNer

    And BallyM ji..sihareean bihareena and BISRAAMS are VITAL to MEANING.
    After a reasonable time...make an effort to learn the correct pronounciation...wrong bisraam can "destroy/distort"... the real meaning...and THAT would be a real pity.
    An example from English.." Woman, without her, man is worthless." ..."Woman, without her man, is worthless...two entirley differnet meanings conveyed just by changing the comma Bisraam !! GURBANI has countless such Bisraams...
    But I agree with you that we should take things in our stride..learning, un-learning and RELEARNING as a continous process makes a good SIKH.
     
    spnadmin likes this.
  16. dalbirk

    dalbirk SPNer

    I also strongly protest a NOVEL WAY OF KILLING KIRTAN " The continuous chanting of WAHEGURU-WAHEGURU . A long hour of kirtan is consumed by 30-40 minutes of Waheguru chanting . This disease is spreading like a wild fire as if whole of Raagis are getting paid to KILL KIRTAN .
     
    spnadmin likes this.
  17. ballym

    ballym SPNer

    This trend may be growing because we do not have easy access to actual wording on display so that each one can sing along. Waheguru chanting is easy/ well known and promotes participation.
    We can have similar lines, like.... Sagal bẖavan ke nā▫ikā ik cẖẖin ḏaras ḏikẖā▫e jī.....
    There are all great wording in SGGS Ji but only a few are known/ understood by people.
    By the way, I did a mistake first when I was writing the shabad line above! and how do we know that we are correct?
    My point is that we should get participation first and then just try to correct them. If we insist on correctness first then we will not have any student and these students, in search of some religiosity, would turn to hinduism or elsewhere.
    You may say that we do not want to compete and compromise just to have more people..... usual quality vs. quantity argument!
    When you have less and less people, it turns out to be a cult because lesser number of people will dictate terms and benefit of more brains helping to find the best is lost.

    I agree that it is not a marketing... it is religion but you can not say that I do not like this person because he is not singing it correctly. He is a follower in his own sense. He is singing it with full devotion and that is a qualifying degree he has. How he does it... is a matter of opinion. Religion is inclusive.
    A controversial example: Harbhajan singh Yogi.... No one outside India/sikhs would have known sikhism otherwise. Even now not many come to Gurudwara except born sikhs.
    We do not force/ we do not have a mission to marry girls of other religion to make them sikhs. We welcome voluntary visitors .. in such a situation we have to invent ways to spread our message in easy language with less restrictive rules.
    Each brain is different and responds in different way. We can not have only one CORRECT way for all.
    Sorry for my language..... I should be more polite. I feel that it is ok but many feel it other way..... each one is different. Correct way seems to be what society ACCEPTS as right at this time.
    Another example: in 1897, the committee agreed that a particular form of Dasam Granth is authentic but now we have different view.
    Nothing is wrong... it is just different! ( as long as it is not causing deaths physical or mental)
     

Share This Page