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Prof. Darshan Singh at Hayward, July 2013

Discussion in 'Sikh Rehat Maryada' started by Kanwaljit Singh, Jul 25, 2013.

  1. Kanwaljit Singh

    Kanwaljit Singh India
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    My views - Hardyal Singh ji was seen here merely asking him to take his stand, but not fight with other Sikhs. That's what I could make of it.

    http://www.sikh24.com/2013/07/excom...-continued-controversy-over-nitnem-and-ardas/

    SAN FRANCISCO, California (July 22, 2013)–This past weekend, Darshan Ragi, ex-jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib who has recently turned to slamming gurbani, and his missionary supporters had a program at Hayward Gurdwara Sahib, a hotbed of missionary activity. Like previous years, the Ragi was not given permission to speak at any other Gurdwara in the Bay Area, including Fremont and San Jose.
    Ragi’s program in Hayward attracted a handful of people while the panthik minded sangat had decided to boycott this program.
    Sikh24 has received reports that the notorious Ragi attempted to misguide Sikh Sangat on various subjects, including the nitnem and ardas. It should be noted that the ardas and daily nitnem includes banis from Sri Dasam Granth, a scripture penned by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. For quite some time, Darshan has purposefully tried to stir controversies over the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and in the process he has not even spared the amrit banis–Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Savaiye and Chaupai Sahib.
    This is one of Darshan’s latest statements:
    “ਸਾਡੀ ਤਾਂ ਅਰਦਾਸ, ਰਹਿਰਾਸ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ, ਨਿਤਨੇਮ ਦੂਸਰੇ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ, ਫਿਰ ਅਸੀਂ ਕਿਸ ਮੂੰਹ ਨਾਲ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਪੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਾਂ?”
    Our prayers–Ardas, Rehras, Nitnem–and our Amrit Sanchars can’t be done without that other granth. So with which mouth can we say that Sri Guru Granth Sahib is our perfect and complete Guru?
    At the Hayward program, the heretic Ragi made the following statement:
    “ਸਿਖੋ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਗੁਰੂ, ਤੁਹਾਨੂ ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੀ ਨਹੀ ਦੇ ਸਕਦਾ ? ਸਿਖੋ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੁਹਾਨੂ ਨਿਤਨੇਮ ਵੀ ਨਹੀ ਦੇ ਸਕਦਾ ?”
    Sikhs, your Guru can’t even give you Amrit? Sikhs, your Guru can’t even give you your daily prayers?
    Reports indicate that some members of the non-missionary Jathebandis also found their way to this program, and seemingly even supported this Darshan “Singh” in his anti-gurbani parchar. A video of one Dr. Hardyal Bains who is seen at some local programs of Akhand Kirtani Jatha has surfaced on social media websites where the elderly person has praised the mis-parchar of the Ragi. AKJ California, for their part have previously released statements staunchly supporting Sri Dasam Granth in it’s entirety.
    Prof. Darshan was excommunicated by the Akal Takht Sahib in 2010, the hukamnama, or order, against him states:
    “After deliberating on all the above cases and issues Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa is declared excommunicated from the Sikh Panth for being a ‘Guru Nindak’ and an enemy of ‘Guru Panth’. Having lost the pride of being a part of the Sikh panth he no more holds any right which a Sikh deserves. All the ‘Guru Nanak Naam Leva Gursikhs’ who consider Sri Guru Granth Sahib as their Guru and Guru Gobind Singh Sahib as their father are ordered to snap all relations pertaining to ‘Roti’ and ‘Beti’ with Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa.
    All the Sikh sangats of India and abroad are ordered not to allow Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa and his supporters to speak from a Sikh stage and to give any support. The one who fails to implement this would be the Tankhaiya of Guru Panth.”
     
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  3. spnadmin

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    Just some background. Sikh24 is one of about 5 so-called news venues on line that actually part of a network run by panthic.org They are essentially posting about one of their search and destroy missions. By so doing they make themselves the topic of news along with a particular target. Not a journalistic attitude. So don't consider this a news story.

    I never delete when someone posts from Sikh24 because our own TOS permits a variety of views. But this is not news. It is opinion and slander. Let's take this apart.

    This past weekend, Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa, ex-jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib OK a fact. However it should be known he resigned from his post.

    who has recently turned to slamming gurbani - An opinion

    and his missionary supporters had a program at Hayward Gurdwara Sahib A fact

    a hotbed of missionary activity. An opinion - And what does a hotbed mean?

    Like previous years, the Ragi was not given permission to speak at any other Gurdwara in the Bay Area, including Fremont and San Jose. Can this be verified?


    Ragi’s program in Hayward attracted a handful of people Not fact not opinion but meaningless - How much is a handful?

    This statement seems taken out of context and is familiar strategy. Exactly what happened just before Akal Takht called the professor to its headquarters before the "excommunication" proceedings, based on a doctored video tape. The person who doctored the tape has since admitted to that.

    The pasted section from the sundesh of Akal Takht is a fact; however it is about 3 years old now. The real story is that so many gurdwaras ignore it. The fact that it takes up more space in the article than the reporting of facts tells me that article is a poster for a point of view, not a report.

    The tone is gossipy and juvenile in its outlook. Beyond that, the use of terms like "hotbed of missionary activity" or "returned to slamming gurbani" are designed to elicit an OMG kind of response from the reader, rather than a rational one. Notice, I have parsed out only 2 sentences out of the total, and they are packed with these devices. Did anyone learn anything not already plastered on the net since 2008, other than the writer really has a low opinion of the Professor? So this is about the writer and his views, not a real news story.

    Thanks. Don't feel you have defend the truth or any individual named in the story. Nothing is new about the way this particular event has been reported. Sangats who invite the professor know it is coming ahead of time. It is the innocent reader who often doesn't have the running background to interpret the print.
     
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  4. Tejwant Singh

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    Guru Fateh to all.

    First and foremost, I totally agree with Spnadmin ji and her views on it.

    Many people are trying everything to diss, embarrass Prof.Sahib by distorting what he has actually said. It has not worked for many years and it is not going to work now, if they try to understand what Gurbani is from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru.

    This in fact is old news. It has already been discussed by me with some moderators in another forum some weeks ago before his visit to Hayward Gurdwara.
     
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