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Pave streets with gold, but we won't call ourselves Indians'

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    Yoginder Sikand

    Yogi Sikand believes that contrary to what the Indian State might insist, it is not for economic development that the Kashmiris are out on the streets protesting today.

    "Even if India were to pave the streets of Kashmir with gold, we would still refuse to identify ourselves as Indians," insisted a Kashmiri Muslim friend of mine, whom I shall call Salim, the other day.

    Salim is no fervent Islamist or fiery Kashmiri nationalist. Indeed, he is completely lax in matters religious, bordering on the agnostic, and has scores of non-Muslim and non-Kashmiri or what he calls 'Indian' friends.

    Yet, like many other Kashmiri Muslims, he passionately advocates independence for his homeland. "We Kashmiris were never Indians, and can never accept to call ourselves so," he argues.

    He thinks the boys taking on thousands of well-armed Indian troops in the streets of Kashmir today, armed with just stones as weapons, are being foolish -- it will only result in even more tragic loss of Kashmiri life, he rues -- but he resolutely believes in what they are fighting for -- azaadi or freedom.

    Contrary to what the Indian State might insist, it is not for economic development that the Kashmiris are out on the streets protesting today.

    It is not for better houses, government jobs, tarred roads and regular supply of electricity that thousands of Kashmiri youth took to armed struggle two decades ago.

    Visitors to Kashmir are struck by the fact everyone in Kashmir seems to have a house and at least a bit of land, and people generally look healthier and better-fed than in 'India' -- and this despite the last two decades of strife that have played havoc with the local economy.

    True, there are poor people in Kashmir, but, generally speaking, poverty is no way as acute in Kashmir as it is in large parts of India.

    That being the case, no amount of loans, grants and income-generation projects funded by the government of India are likely to make much of a dent in many Kashmiri Muslims' fervent desire for independence from India or to 'win the Kashmiris' hearts', to use the phrase much bandied about by politicians and journalists alike.

    Nor are dire warnings that an independent Kashmir would hardly be able to economically survive, leave alone thrive, or assurances that it is bound to hurtle into interminable economic chaos if it joins Pakistan.

    "Man does not live by bread alone," Salim sagely quotes the Bible when I point all this out to him, and then again, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

    If it is not for lack of jobs or out of desperate poverty that many Kashmiri Muslims continue to dream of freedom from India, then what is it that drives them in what seems to be a never-ending war against one of the mightiest armies of the world, in which, so far, they have lost more than a 100,000 of their own?

    I have reduced the whole complex Kashmir imbroglio to two basic factors: Competing narratives, claims and demands of nationalism and of religion.

    In a dominant Kashmiri Muslim reading of history, the denizens of the Kashmir Valley are seen as having a unique cultural and ethnic identity of their own, and one which demands that it be expressed in a political form -- in the shape of an independent Kashmiri state.

    In this narrative, the historical cultural links with India are sometimes -- and, that, too, reluctantly -- recognised, but these are seen as merely incidental and as having become attenuated over the centuries when the vast majority of the Kashmiris abandoned Hinduism and Buddhism and turned Muslim.

    The demand for a free state of Kashmir also grows out of a historical perception of being ruled by others for centuries: by the Mughals, the Pathans, the Sikhs, the Dogras, and now by the Indians -- and, in so-called Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, by the Pakistanis.

    It constantly evokes the solemn promise given to the Kashmiris by none other than India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru that India would honour its commitment to the United Nations to allow the Kashmiris to decide their own political future -- a promise that India, 60 years on, has miserably failed to abide by despite the Indian State's triumphal and deafening claims of being the largest democracy in the world.

    On the other hand, the dominant Indian nationalist narrative has no space for a separate Kashmiri nation as a political entity.

    It demands that the Kashmiris must, even through force, recognise themselves as Indians and their land as an integral and indivisible part of India.

    The two nationalisms thus have no meeting point, and neither of them is willing to make even the slightest concession to the other.

    Competing understanding of religion and religious-based identity are the other principal basis for the desire of many Kashmiri Muslims to be independent of India.

    This, in turn, is inextricable linked to the notion of the religious other in dominant understanding of Islam. This notion can be construed in a positive, respectful way, but that has been the voice of only a small minority of Muslim eccentrics, mystics and modernists, who continue to remain on the fringe, often castigated as deviant and inauthentic.

    The dominant understanding of the religious other in Muslim thought (globally, and not just in Kashmir) is brazenly dismissive and condemnatory. Non-Muslims are typically seen as disbelieving kafirs, followers of undistilled falsehood, and as inveterate enemies of God and of Islam and its adherents.

    They are believed to be doomed to eternal punishment in hell.


    Close social interaction with non-Muslims and following their ways is frowned upon, in many cases, sternly condemned, for this is seen as threatening to dilute the Muslims' own commitment to Islam.

    The spread of conservative and supremacist versions of Islam in recent years in Kashmir, as represented, for instance, by the Jamaat-e Islami, the Tablighi Jamaat and the Wahhabi Ahl-e Hadith, has only further exacerbated these exclusivist tendencies and perceptions.

    Ideally, in this worldview, Islam and its followers must dominate over others.

    'Islam has come to dominate the world,' they insist.

    Not surprisingly, the idea of the Kashmiri Muslims being part of a wider Indian state that includes within its ambit people of different religions who enjoy identical rights is seen as anathema in this way of viewing the world.


    Such exclusivist tendencies have received a further boost with modern communications bringing instant news of Muslims in various parts of the world, and in India itself, suffering various forms of discrimination and violence at the hands of others.

    Every instance of violence and discrimination directed against Muslims in other parts of India, by Hindu chauvinists often hand-in-glove with agencies of the state, reinforces many Kashmiri Muslims' desire for independence from India.

    At the same time as it also strengthens negative understandings of people of other faiths, particularly the Hindus.

    Every instance of Indian State repression of the Kashmiri Muslims -- which, as newspaper reports indicate, continues unabated -- only further fortifies opposition to India and hardens exclusivist views about the Hindus, making prospects for peaceful reconciliation even more remote.

    But, to set the balance straight, it is also true that the status of the religious other in the general Hindu perception is by no means problematic.

    Over the years, I have had to suffer virulent harangues at the hands of scores of Hindus I met in Hindu-dominated Jammu, the winter capital of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, who had only the choicest swear words for Muslims.

    In the course of a study of Hindu-Muslim relations in Doda, the only district in Jammu and Kashmir where Hindus and Muslims live in almost equal numbers, I have met with numerous self-styled Hindu sadhus -- curiously enough, none of them were locals, almost all being from impoverished parts of eastern India -- who, with some notable exceptions, uniformly thought of Muslims as impure, cow-slaying demons, and believed that Hindus ought to have nothing whatsoever to do with them.

    Most of them were bitterly critical of local Hindus who had enjoyed cordial relations with their Muslim neighbours for centuries.

    The problem of negative stereotypes about the religious other in Kashmir is thus by no means a solely Muslim monopoly.

    Islamist ideologues I have had the chance to meet in Kashmir insist that the conflict in Kashmir is not a political one. Rather, they argue -- and here they strangely echo Hindu chauvinists -- it is all about religion, or what they christen as a jihad.

    In an interview I did with him years ago, Syed Ali Gilani, the principal Islamist ideologue in Kashmir, one-time top leader of the Jamaat-e Islami, and the man whose word seems to have become law for the mobs protesting on Srinagar's streets today, declared that the conflict in Kashmir was one between Islam, on the one hand, and kufr or infidelity, on the other.

    Naturally, in a war of such cosmic proportions, there was absolutely no room for compromise.

    For a Muslim to live in a non-Muslim dominated society," so Gilani claimed, "is as difficult as it is for a fish out of water."

    As he interpreted it, Islam could not countenance the Kashmiri Muslims living with India. Islam, he went on, demanded that the Kashmiri Muslims continue to struggle for separation from non-Muslim-dominated India and to set up what he called an Islamic state.


    When I pointed out the dismal failure of all attempts to establish such states in other parts of the world, he simply shrugged his shoulders. "They may not have been successful, but least they tried. We Kashmiri Muslims are duty-bound by our faith to try likewise," he declared.

    But, what, I asked Gilani, about the non-Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir, who account for almost a half of the state's population? Surely they were not enthusiastic supporters of his Islamic state project? "Of course they will support us," Gilani shot back, "if we properly convince them of the beauty of such a state. In the Islamic state we hope to establish, all communities will have their rights, and all will be happy. There will be perfect justice for minorities. Not like Hindu-dominated India, where Muslims suffer so many disabilities."

    There is, needless to say, no likelihood of non-Muslims taking these pious claims at all seriously -- the writings of radical Islamist ideologues, based on their particularly skewed interpretation of Islam, about the status of non-Muslims (condemned as second-class dhimmis) as well as the practice of most Muslim states, particularly those that claim to be more religiously inclined, towards their non-Muslim minorities (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan under the Taliban being the most notorious in this regard), are sufficiently odious to keep non-Muslims from probing the promises of Gilani and his ilk any further.

    Contrary to depictions in some sections of the Indian media, it is not that the Islamist project of the likes of Gilani and the Lashkar-e-Tayiba is widely shared by most Kashmiri Muslims.

    Not many of them, I wager, would want Kashmir to be ruled by the likes of the Taliban or even the Jamaat-e Islami. I personally know scores of Kashmiris, practicing Muslims, who vociferously insist that the radical Islamists' version of Islam is not Islamic at all.

    Yet, few dare to speak out against the claims made in their name and that of their religion by the radicals: this could well cost them their lives, in the same way as speaking out against the claims of the Indian state over Kashmir has cost the lives of literally thousands of their people.

    And so, trapped by competing narratives of nationalism and religion, the continuing violence in Kashmir is likely to persist -- until, perhaps, human beings are able to devise more open and inclusive understandings of the bases of human association.
     
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    If living in a non-islamic country is so hard for a muslim ("like a fish out of water") then why do so many move to europe and the america's?
     
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    I guess going to ***** country and making money in it is not a sin according to islam and when they settle there then turning ***** country into islamic country is great service to their religion
     
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    Only in India you will get Sha Rukh Khan, Only in America you will have Barak Obama, Only in England you will have lots of leading muslim names in all fields, yet any Infidel go to a muslim country see how they treat you ? you can never be one of them unless you convert and they would never give a non muslim a chance.
    Back to the topic Kashmir its a very tough and sensitive issue, Using the metaphor about the fish out the water for muslims was very stupid in my opinion. I agree with both above comments, if it is so hard for them the doors are always open to return to their homelands.
     
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    Sorry my main point was about Kasmir & Palestine, yes a lot of injustice is done i see both as the same. we see so much violence in these places something needs to be done to end it all once and for all. So many innocents get caught in between its just not right.
     
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    In the powerplay of politicians and religious leaders, the poor man on the street suffers more :(
     
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    It is myth that only Politicians and religious leaders are responsible.They just exploit what is is in the mind of people .The same poor man on street support
    the type of leaders they want.
     

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