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    Nanaksar Movement

    Nanaksar Movement

    Doctrines A strict belief in vegetarianism (excluding eggs and fish), celibacy (both gurus were celibates), austerities, asceticism and meditation (using a rosary), and a focus on Guru Nanak, all push the Nanaksar devotees into Sanatan Sikhism (see entry). The gurus of this group also favoured the Nirmala tradition of asceticism (see entry) known to be the core of Sanatan Sikhism with the Udasis (see entry). They believed that deep reverence of the Guru Granth would lead to the darshan (spiritual vision) of Guru Nanak himself. Thus the Adi Granth is very much the focus of this movement. They believe that the Sevadhars (those who help in the temple precincts) must be celibates, and are called bahingams, literally 'birds' that have no attachment to earthly abodes. This again stresses their Sanatanist nature. Devotees believe that Guru Nanak was an incarnation (avatara) of the Divine. [The Hindu doctrine of avatar has been explicitly rejected by orthodox Tat Khalsa Sikhs, see entry]. They specialise in extended sessions of kirtan (devotional singing of the praises of the divine) at times of the full moon (purnimasi). Guru Nanak's birthday is celebrated with special vigour on the nearest full moon. It is believed that staying awake (meditating and performing kirtan) all night is more beneficial than staying awake during all the other nights of the year put together. (See also Sikh Panth entries).

    History The Nanaksar movement was founded by Nand Singh (1869/1872-1943). Nanaksar is near Kaleran village, five kilometres from Jagraon in the Panjab. Nand Singh was a celibate who practised severe austerities and prolonged meditations. He had visions of Guru Nanak, Guru Har Krishan and Guru Gobind Singh, when performing his seva (religious service) at Huzur Sahib Gurdwara. These visions drove him to study the meaning of the Guru Granth Sahib. He became a disciple of Sant Wadhawa Singh and Harnam Singh and practised meditation, especially with the latter. In 1912 Guru Nanak came to them in meditation. He asked them to ask for something. Nand Singh replied only that he should be Nanak's own. Nanak, pleased with their devotion, replied "recite and teach others to recite". In 1918 he returned to Kaleran village and continued his austerities and meditations in underground holes (bhores). He did not allow Gurdwaras to be built in his name nor where he meditated but prophesied that there would be a fine Gurdwara built on such a location. And Indeed it was built there where he meditated in Kaleran village.

    In 1927 Nand Singh met his eventual successor Ishar Singh. It is often said that Ishar Singh served Nand Singh as Guru Angad served Guru Nanak. Ishar Singh also did not marry. In 1950 he began the construction of the prophesied Gurdwara, where one of Guru Arjan's hymn (the sukhmani 'pearl of peace') is constantly recited. Ishar Singh did not name a successor and the movement has split under several gurus.

    Symbols The Nanaksar Gurdwaras do not fly the Khalsa flag (nishan sahib). This is symbolic of its apolitical stance, since the emblem on the flag represents the orthodox and much politicised institution of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and its political wing the Akali Dal. Indeed the movement claims to be non-political. They wear white turbans tied horizontally across the forehead, a white long shirt (chola) but without the usual trousers (pajama). This dress is evidently symbolic of Nand Singh who dressed the same way captured in paintings and photographs. The Guru Granth Sahib is treated with greater reverence than any other Sikh group; they do not merely give it a small stand but a full-sized bed, and full-size gifted sheets (ramalas) to cover it. Often and uniquely the movement's paintings of Guru Nanak depict a star on the sole of his upturned feet. Such spiritual-cum-prophetic marks (lakshanas) are usual in Hindu and Buddhist iconography, depicting the saintliness of the Guru or Avatar, Bodhisattva or Buddha. Devotees interpret the symbol on the foot (known as padam) as meaning that Guru Nanak is an avatar (divine incarnation of God/Krishna).

    Adherents Little research has been conducted concerning this group. There are no official numbers, (see note at the end of the Explanatory Introduction).

    Headquarters/
    Main Centre
    The main centre is in Nanaksar itself. Other centres have sprung in Dehra Dun, Kurukshetra, Gurdaspur, Faridkot and bases exist in Coventry (UK), and Vancouver, Canada.
     
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    From the doctrines, history and the symbols, one can easily see that this sect is enshrined in Hindutva and has nothing to do with Sikhi. It is also an insult to Guru Nanak's teachings of living one's life as a householder.

    All their rituals are immersed in Hindutva and they have nothing to do with Sikhi.

    Nishaan Sahib is a Lighthouse that invites people for spiritual and physical solace. That is why it is hung so tall that all, irrespective of their hue,creed and faith can find a Gurdwara where they can find peace,serenity and love.

    Not having Nishan Sahib shows that Nanaksar wants to remain a cult on its own and is only interested in raking money under the auspice of SGGS, our only Guru, which is a shame. They also do not want to come under the management of SGPC which is another proof of its non-Sikh values.

    So, how can it can be called a Gurdwara without a Nishan Sahib?

    Talking about celibacy in this sect, there were some sexual scandals in BC Canada involving some Sants from the Nanaksar cult. One of them was with a lady who had a breast cancer and the Sant conned her into giving her land and house to the cult in return for the cure. Obviously, this charlatan knew what was happening and the lady passed away due to the cancer. Her family sued the cult and the judgement went against the cult. The family got the property back.

    There were other sexual scandals too.

    Soul_jyot ji and others who live in BC, Canada can shed more light to it and I request them to do so and expose this anti Sikh cult to all Sikhs. These kinds of cults are dangerous and are doing nothing but trying to destroy Sikhi by inventing their own rules, and anti Sikhi rituals.

    Celibacy is a slap on their parents' faces and also on our Gurus'. How would they be here otherwise?

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Tejwant ji

    There are various Nanaskar gurdwaras/temples in California, New York, and UK. Prominent among Canadian Nanaskar places of worship are Toronto, Winnipeg, Richmond, and Quebec, and in addition the Vancouver area.

    I am posting this information, and also plan to post more about Nanaskar and also information about the origins of AKJ in the near future, so that I and others knowing as little as I do and are curious can develop a baseline regarding what members of the Nanaskar movement themselves say they believe. I really knew very little.
     
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    Narayanjot ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    This is a great a endeavour on your part. All cults that use SGGS, our only Guru as an instrument to rake money rather than the Guru bestowed to us by our Dasam Pita and invent their own rituals which contradict Sikhi should be exposed and I thank you for that.

    Let's urge our readers for their input if they have any knowledge or are either in favour or against these cults.

    Thanks for all your efforts.

    Regards

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    No probs, Tejwant ji. It will take me a while because the information is hard to mine from the net. There is very little. Very little research done as well.
     
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    Brothers and Sisters, I request you to please read this before using such harsh words for Nanaksar. You may be insulting a true saint out of ignorance.

    First of all the question of celibacy, Baba Nand Singh ji did not marry but he never asked his followers to abstain from a family life. Its the followers who have started this practice in the name of holy Baba Nand Singh Ji and its their choice. The famous hazoori raagi of Baba Nand Singh Ji, Sant Sujan Singh Ji, was a married person. So will you get a lot of examples like this.

    Second is the question of worshipping Guru Nanak as divine. I'll quote three quotes here which shall answer your question:

    "Guru Gobind dou khade, kaake laagu paaye, balihaari Guru aapna Gobind liyo milaaye" Bhagat Kabir

    "Eh Bidh karat tapaseya bhaeyo, Dwae te ek roop hwae gaeyo" Bachittar Natak Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh Ji
    roughly translated: My meditation to the primal lord reached its zenith and I became ONE WITH THE LORD

    "Gur Nanak Nanak Har Soee" Guru Nanak is the true guru, Nanak is the lord himself: Ang 864 Sri Guru Granth Sahib

    Just read the last tukk, it cannot be more clear than this. GurSikho if you believe in Guru Granth Sahib Jee, than you should believe in this. Guru Nanak Dev Ji never said he's the lord, but then that was his humility, he also said "Nanak neech kahe veechar", he called himself neech, haramkhor in the baani, but was he?? This is the glory and beauty of my sachhe pathshah Guru Nanak, he never claimed to be anything.

    Lastly about the babas of Nanaksar, then saadh sangat I can point out hundreds of cases in which head granthee sahibaan have commited so many sinful acts, but does that mean that we stop going to the Gurudwara. No, because our Guru is sampuran, his servants are humans and are prone to errors, but our guru is complete so why not just look at the guru. Similarly please read the life of Baba Nand Singh ji, you'll realize how great a saint he is. You will argue he did not see Guru Nanak. Why is it so hard to believe? Baba Ji had the darshan of guru nanak dev ji from guru granth sahib, it was his bhavna. If dhanna bhagat cud see god in a stone then this is Guru Granth Sahib jee we're talking about, the jyot of all 10 paatshahiyan. Baba ji used to say "May my tongue burn if I call it a Book, Watch from my eyes its Guru Nanak sitting there".

    At the time of babaji there was no Gurudwara in kaleran Nanaksar, the place of origin of this movement, It was a kuchha place, because Baba ji used to say when my body isn't permanant y should I have a permanant structure built, this is the reason there is no nishaan sahib because Baba ji never built a gurudwara, you cannot offer money at nanaksar, only fruits, milk and cooked food is offered at the gurudwara. If someone is taking money, he's going against the maryada.

    If you still have doubts about Nanaksar, please ask me. I'll be happy to clear them. Once again kindly read about Baba Nand Singh ji first.
    Guru Fateh
     
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    I have had darshan from Sant Babaji Gurdev Singh maybe once a year for some years now.

    In my opinion he is a truly pious and Saintly soul. Everytime i see him - I see his amazing Brilliant white Aura around him. Sometimes its so bright it hurts my eyes to look at him.

    I also checked in my meditations and I had confirmation that this is indeed so-
    he is a Saint a very Evolved Being very connected with God.

    Their movement too is pure. The Spiritual energy around the Gurudwara's are also very powerful.

    I have also been privelaged to be blessed by his spiritual energy.

    How does one feel this energy?

    Its Spiritual - CHI or QI energy which one imparts with a blessing to another.
    As you meditate deeper and deeper one can feel and see these energies around. All creation has these Vibrations energies.

    The Nanaksar - They do a good job in helping their sangat to evolve spiritually higher and they also protect their devotees with Grace.

    Meditate deeply and see what answer you recieve.

    In Meditation we hear the Voice of God! as we still our thoughts to allow God to talk to us.

    In every Apple barrel there are always rotten Apples, thus in many organisations we find rotten people who have given into their

    KAAM, KRODH, LOBH, MOH, HANKAR, and let these vices take over.

    Our Saints and Sages have warned us time and time again to be careful of these sins.
    When we given into these sins we let outside influences, negative energies from other Dimensions to attach to us.
    While we think we are in charge - in fact the Negative energies around us are controlling us.

    The Viel between the dimensions around us is very fragile.
    This is one reason our Babaji's and Saints say be careful be Pure.

    I have seen many people who act with much Anger and jealousy etc, and they always invariably have some negative energy attachment which is controlling them.

    Making them act even more negative.

    Around us are many dimensions

    (In our Sacred Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 10 Babaji talks of many dimensions
    In these dimensions are many elemental and
    spirit creatures).

    10 ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ
    Ka▫ī kot bẖūṯ pareṯ sūkar marigācẖ.
    Many millions are the evil nature-spirits, ghosts, pigs and tigers.
    ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ
    Ka▫ī kot pāṯāl ke vāsī.
    Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds.





     
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    When Guru NANAK JI SAHIB - GURU Gobind Singh ji has given FREE and UNINTERRUPTED access to the "PRIME MINISTER" AKAL PURAKH !! APEX SOURCE of all JOYS.........via the SGGS......some people keep on stopping just at the "Gate" and admiring the Security Guard/Chaunkidaar and seeing auras around his face....Now I know why there are so many DROPOUTS from SCHOOLS....many of these are just too lazy to GRADUATE..especially since the Grdauation Process requires one to OFFER the HEAD on the Plam...admiring auras on chaunkidaars faces is much much easier !! Ha ha.
     
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    Veer amarjit singh bamrah ji hallucinations and dreams are a reflection of extreme love/attachment with a subject. They only reflect the level of attachment and do not prove the qualities of the "attachment". That is a separate inquiry.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Paji

    Satnaam Waheguru

    I m sorry I fail to understand what you have written
    Perhaps you can eloborate and write it clearer
     
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    ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ

    Ka▫ī kot bẖūṯ pareṯ sūkar marigācẖ.
    Many millions are the evil nature-spirits, ghosts, pigs and tigers.
    ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ
    Ka▫ī kot pāṯāl ke vāsī.
    Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds.

    Read what Gurbani actually means about Bhoot Prets.

    http://www.sikhmarg.com/2009/0215-bhoot-prayt01.html PART ONE
    http://www.sikhmarg.com/2009/0222-bhoot-prayt02.html PART TWO
     
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    Guru nanak ji Sahib Ji came to this earth in HUMAN FORM to give us the SHABAD in HUMAN LANGUAGE FORM..written in INK on Paper.

    The GURBANI and GURMATT is NOT for the heavens or the hells ..akashes or the pataals...its ABOUT HUMAN LIFE HERE ON EARTH....how to IMPROVE our Daily Lives so we become MORE and More like the SHABAD..GURBANI..AKAL PURAKH..kiv SACHIARA HOOEYEAH !!!

    Thus Gurbani and Gurmatt categorically and clearly REJECTS all ancient worn out FAILED beleifs in heavens and Hells, pataals and akahses, bhoots and prets etc etc..paaps and punns..etc etc. The GOAL of HUMAN LIFE is to become a GURMUKH...fly SKY HIGH...and turn away form MANMUKH..those who are so full of AUGUNNS..bad habits and inclinations that they are actually living in PATAAL..the DREGS of Society..the Keerreh of SEWAGE.

    WE cannot interpret Gurbani "literally"...its got its Antreem Bhaav..INTERNAL MEANING..Divine Message....and its for HERE AND NOW !!!

    The CREATOR is os full overflowing with GUNNS....we need to IMBIBE as many as we can...while LIVING HERE....so we cna put on the HUMAN FACE..become GURMUKHS....or we can descend into augunns..follow our animal base instincts..and become more and more Manmukh...take on the BHOOT FACE..and actually turn into BHOOTS with HUMAN BODIES..so simple and easy to understand..but we just love the "horror" of IMAGINATION...bhoots with long flowing hair, long teeth, bloo.dy tongues hanging out..blah blah blah..and look to Gurbani to prove this Fantasy !! NO HOPE !! These things dont exist except INSIDE US.....
    AS Kabir Ji says so eloquently... ਕਬੀਰ ਜਾ ਘਰ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਸੇਵੀਅਹਿ, ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਾਹਿ॥
    ਤੇ ਘਰ ਮਰਹਟ ਸਾਰਖੇ, ਭੂਤ ਬਸਹਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਾਹਿ॥
    --ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੩੭੪.............Those dwellings..are inhabited by BHOOTS ??? where there is no Dharma..no compassion for fellow humans or animals or plants..where the humans are so into Maya..wealth gathering..get rich quick...where the "SAADH" living WITHIN..is IGNORED..where the Inner Conscience that speaks the TRUTH is STIFLED...those houses look like they are inhabited by "humans"..but NO..those are human forms with BHOOT habits !! Those are the ONLY "bhoots" that Gurbani recognises...and they are among us..our neighbours..our colleagues..even OURSELVES !!

     
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    I think this movement can be considered as the Birth of SANTWAD .We can see there after an avalanche of so called SANTS all over.
    We should analyse the reasons behind such movements .We can observe the reasons are still present and nothing is or has been done to come out of this entrapment.
    Ultimately it all ends as a calculated POLITICAL GAME.....Nothing else.
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    Veer Ji, by the same logic u're insulting Guru Granth Sahib Jee, that when there is the almighty akal purakh, y do we need the guru. The answer is to show us the way to him.

    I know there a lot of fake babas around but when someone truly shows you the way and joins you with your guru, won't you rever him?? There are a lot of sects which misguide sikhs these days, Nanaksar is not one of them. It is where Guru Granth Sahib jee is treated with the utmost respect.
    "Gursikhan ki har dhood de, hum paapi bhi gatt paayein"
    What will you do when you meet a gursikh, won't you touch his feet??

    Forgive me if I overstepped somewhere. Guru Fateh
     
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    Param88 Ji,
    I dont think its insulting to have the SGGS simply because there is already an Akal Purakh present. As i said the GURUS came in Human Form to this Physical Earth to LIVE among us like men to give us the Divine Message of Akal Purakh via the langauge we understand and can read. Guru Gobind Singh Ji could have easily kept the HUMAN LINE going..He didnt - He passed the Authority to the Guru Khalsa Panth = Guru Granth Sahib....as SHABAD is our GURU and SHABAD is AKAL PURAKH...so in the SGGS we have SHABAD in the form we humans can understand and grasp.

    2. Its a Fallacy that so and so sect affords more "shardha' "respect" to sggs than so and so. The Nanaksarees are the First to Challenge the Guru Khalsa Panth SOVEREIGN STATUS signified via the NISHAN SAHIB... They also posed the second biggest challenge to the NIRMAL PANTH of Guur Nanak ji by BANNING GURU KA LANGGAR which is so imporatant that it even gets mention in SGGS...and is copied by other deras like the one in Beas..
    3. Nanaksarees Hate the word GURDWARA...hence they establish THAATHS without the Nishan sahib or Guru ka Langgar. But for the time being they still NEED the SGGS to be present..

    Latest nagar Kirtans in nanksaree areas show their true colours...in several major ones the SGGS was NOT EVEN PRESENT.....The PRIDE of Place was given to PHOTOS of the dead sants they revere so much...Nanad singh ishar singh etc...which means that over time ( give a few more decades)..that will get added photos of the latest Nanksaree babas dead ones..and SGGS will be SHOWN THE DOOR as has already happened in the CASE of the BEAS DERA !! Please do read the History of BEAS DERA..its Land was actually donated in the name of SGGS and SGGS used to be Parkahs there..UNTIL the RS Guru decided that enough was enough..OUT with the book !! Same "Lachhan" are cearly visible in Jagraon a nd related Nanaksaree THAATHS.
    Read the following thread on Nanksarees in malaysia..http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/36554-charnamrit-of-sikh-babaji.html
     
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    GIYANI JARNAIL SINGH Ji,

    I fully appreciate your concern and views.But we should realise at some point our Khalsa Panth failed in satisfying the spritual needs of Sikhs asper SGGS .When politics becomes the prime goal such things have already been established.And at this point we are feeling helpless even from the concerned responsible persons of Khalsa Panth.
    There is a proverb .NIP IN THE BUD...if not done then face the situation as such Inspite of criticising the situation we should go ahead with solution and that I feel is all missing.
    Prakash.S.Bagga
     
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    Another MAJOR INSULT to the SGGS that the nanaksarees do exclusively is the way they ADD their selected "Shabads" into the Flow of SGGS....they call this Ghor Manmatt...SAMPATT.
    While an ordinary Sikh would read the SGGS as GURU JI WROTE GURBANI..uninterrupted..the Nanaksaree sants have introduced a Sampatt way of STOPPING the Flow of Gurbani by reciting a number of shabds or panktees from ELSEWHERE in SGGS....after a few LINES....thus they practise a sort of "Paath Interruptus"...which is the Grossest and biggest INSULT to SGGS if ever there is one.
    This "Paath interruptus" means the Nanaksarees see their dead sant as WISER and better than the GURU/SGGS. Its like the Teacher commands a child to recite 1 to 10..and the child says..1, 2, 3 ..(-.99.9..95.9..23..666..88..490..)..- 4, 5....( 99.9..98.3..990..745..87..).-6, 7, 8,...(98.009...997..76..88..653)...9..10. !!
    And the Teacher asks..Hey WHAT was THAT all about..and the child says..OH that was "RECITATION OF NUMBERS INTERRUPTUS"....it has more POWER this way. The entire Sikh jagat reads the Numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10....the nanaksarees say its Better to recite their way...as sampatt. IF this ISNT insulting then what is ??.

    2. At a Normal BHOG ceremony of the SGGS, the normal sikh procedure is to READ the Nauvehn mahalla sloks + Ragamala....the Nanaksaree procedure is to SKIP the Slok mah 9..and go straight to Raagmaala INTERRUPTUS !! So even when they actually read out LESS BANI...its still cnsidered More Shardha/respect to SGGS. Most Sikhs only get to hear the Slok mah 9 at BHOG TIMES..and the Nanaksarees made sure even THAT small portion is REMOVED !! Great respect.
     
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    Brother I don't know where you got the news from but Langar is not banned in Nanaksar, I visit there almost every month and enjoy the langar.
    Secondly, about the Nishaan sahib, then please read my first post on page one of this forum. Baba Nand Singh ji never formed a gurudwara, the place was all open land where baba ji used to live in a small cottage with the prakash of guru granth sahib jee, sangat used to visit later and only on pooranmasi night...Now if there is a sant samagam every month in huge park will you install a nishan sahib there?? It was later that the Nanaksar was made into a full fledged structure. All I am saying is, for your own good, please don't insult Baba Nand Singh ji. Do you insult Guru Gobind Singh ji if one of the sikhs commits a murder...No...Baba ji was forever a true gursikh, a servant of Guru Nanak and the holy Guru granth sahib...If people are committing blasphemy in his name, they'll be punished. Don't accuse Babaji for that.

    And lastly about the sampath paath, then the path is done with complete respect to Guru granth sahib..they don't interrupt the shabad, rather after the completion of every shabad, mool mantar is recited and then next shabad is recited. Is it so bad to recite mool manthar?? As far as I know it is the basis of our religion. The more you recite it, the less it is.

    Please read about Baba Nand Singh Ji here http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Baba_Nand_Singh
    If you're interested in discussing about Baba Nand Singh Ji and him only, I am happy to answer any of your questions. However if you want to debate over his followers and what they're doing now. I am sorry. I believe in Baba Nand Singh ji, who brought me back to the path of righteousness and showed me what true devotion of Guru Granth Sahib jee means. The rest of them I have no idea about. May Waheguru Ji guide you always. Guru Fateh
     
  20. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    Brother..Thats exactly what many say about Guur Gobind Singh ji..Panj kakaars Khalsa discipline tc etc...their stock answer is"....I am beleiver in ONLY Guru Nannak ji..or Guru ramdass Ji..I dont know and odnt care about what the other Gurus did or what their followers do...''''..IF you wnat to discuss Guru nanak ji ...Fine..if about Sikhs Khalsa etc..sorry. !!
    Baba Nand Singh ji is no more among us to be discussed...whats being discusse dis the PRESENT manmatt at Nanaksaree Thaaths.
    There was no Guur ka Langgar at the MAIN Nanaksaree thhath in Jagraon when i viisted many times..NO one can ever say that about Darbar sahib Amrtisar or any other Historicla Gurdwaras r takhats...However..there is of course Langgar at many Gurdwaras controlled by nanaksarees...i have one within 10 km of my place..its a historical Gurdwara founded by Gurditt singh sarhali of Kama gata Maru fame...lack of sikhs came about due to migration to bigger towns nearby..Gurdwara had little sangat..a jatha of nanksarees arrived form India..now have over 25 pathees etc who perform akhand paaths 24/7..and of course langgar is also 24.7...becasue Langgar is one of the attractions and means of goluck....its a NECESSITY rather than Maryada..

    2. I dont discuss sikhs who have passed on...so nothing about Nand Singh or Ishar singh or anyoen else in that category. Please continue with your devotion.
     
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  21. BhagatSingh

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    Amarjit Singh ji,
    Can you please describe this darshan?
     

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