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Controversial Namdhari Nitnem : Crossing The Line?

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by aristotle, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. aristotle

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    The Namdhari sect has long been maintaining its own lineage of Satgurus, needless to say, Namdharis don't consider Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj as their Guru because they allege the Gurgaddi was handed over to Balak Singh by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib mysteriously appearing before him in the year 1812 (I wonder how!).

    The Namdharis have their own places of worship, code of conduct and rituals which are much deviated from the Sikh philosophy. Recently, it came into my attention that the Namdharis have devised their own gutka, which they call the Namdhari Nitnem.
    The title page carries the heading of ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ (Ik Onkar Satguru Ram Singh Ji sahay); and the index of this supposed Nitnem gutka has some of their banis which read like,

    * ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਹਵਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ (Banis for preparing Amrit and performing havan)
    * ਹਵਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀ ਵਿਧੀ (Technique of performing havan)
    * ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਾ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੨ਵੀਂ (Rehatnama of Patshahi the 12th!!!!)

    The question is, can the Namdharis or other cults be allowed to use the word Nitnem for their petty purposes, even when the contents of the gutka are in gross violation of Sikhi principles?
    Doesn't such an outrageous attack on Sikh philosophy call for an intervention from the Akal Takht authorities?
     

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    aristotle jio...right now asking for action from the takhats etc is like asking Obama to breast feed a Taliban child in Pakistan ??? or a baby camel in saudi arabia !!
    Those sitting at those apex bodies are chapall chatt drivelling fools who obey their political masters..and to the political masters the namdharees are a vote bank..and thats why there is are SATGURU JAGJIT SINGH CHAIRS etc in Punjab Universities....and all that...when Badal visits a Gurdwara with SGGS parkash..he gets KNEE PAINS and has to sit on a CHAIR..but when he visits these deras and dehdharee gurus..his pains all disappear and he can do thousand backward squats if the guru so instructs..

    By the way..NITNEM is just a WORD..like TIMETABLE...DISCIPLINE...etc...anybody can use it.
     
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    ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੇ ਕੀ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਸ ਦੇ ਇਸ਼ਾਰੇ ਤੇ ਹੌ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ---?
    (ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀ ਨਿੱਤਨੇਮ) ੧ਓ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ॥ ਤਿਆਰ ਕੀਤੇ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਵਿਚ ਹਵਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ

    ਅੱਜ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਦੇ ਜੁਆਈ ਸਤਿੰਦਰਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਇੰਨਚਾਰਜ ਰਾਗੀਆਂ (ਸ਼ਹੀਦਾਂ)ਨੇ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਕੁਝ ਰਾਗੀ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਦਫਤਰ ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਹੈ ! 5--7 ਰਾਗੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਜਦ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਦਫਤਰ ਗਏ ਤਾਂ ਅੱਗੇ ਕੁਝ ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀ ਬੈਠੇ ਸਨ! ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਰਾਗੀ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੂਟ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੈਕ ਹੋਏ ਦਿੱਤੇ! ਜਦ ਰਾਗੀ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਘਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਕੇ ਪੈਕਿੰਗ ਖੋਲੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਗੁਟਕਿਆਂ ਉਪਰ :-----੧ਓ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ॥। ਅਤੇ ਮੋਟਾ ਕਰਕੇ (ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀ ਨਿੱਤਨੇਮ) ਲਿਖਿਆ ਸੀ!ਅਤੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਹਵਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਲਿਖੀਆ ਸਨ? ਰਾਗੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਤਾਂ ਪੜ ਕੇ ਹੱਕੇ ਬੱਕੇ ਰਹਿ ਗਏ? ਕੌਮ ਵਾਲਿਓ ਜਾਗੋ ਇਹ ਸਭ ਕੁਝ ਕਿਸ ਦੇ ਇਸਾਰੇ ਤੇ ਹੋ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ!---------?

    ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਦਫਤਰ ਤੋ ਇਹ ਕੁਝ ਹੋਣਾਂ ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਨਤਾ ਦੇਣ ਦੇ ਤੁਲ ਹੈ, ਜੇ ਅਸੀ ਅੱਜ ਵੀ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਗੇ ਫਿਰ ਸਮਾ ਲੰਗਣ ਤੇ ਜਾਗਣ ਦਾ ਕੌਈ ਫਾਇਦਾ ਨਹੀ, ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਬਿਮਾਰੀ ਦਾ ਇਲਾਜ਼ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਅਸਾਨੀ ਨਾਲ ਹੌ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ,----------------ਮੱਖਣ ਸਿੰਘ ਗਿੱਲ


    ENGLISH : The Hazooree ragis of Darbara Sahib were summoned to a private office by the son in law of the Jathedar AT..and the ragis were given these SAME GUTKAS - right there INSIDE the darbar sahib Complex...under whose orders ?? Take a Guess...and Obama can breast feed the Taliban kids anytime.
     
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    It appears that clothing and Namdhari gutkas were also distributed among ragis and at Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. However the ragis and granthis have returned these items.


    Distribution of “Namdhari Nitnem” among Darbar Sahib Granthis trigger controversy

    By Hainder Singh

    http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2013/10/...ng-darbar-sahib-granthis-triggers-controvery/

    Amritsar, Punjab (October 03, 2013): According to a news published in a Punjab vernacular “Daily Pehredar” the Namdhari sect followers distributed clothes, along with “Namdhari Nitnem” gutkas among Raagis and Granthis of Sri Harmandar Sahib, Amritsar.

    It is learnt that the “EkOankar – Satguru Ram Singh Ji Sahai” and “Namdhari Nitnem” is written on the front title of the gutkas distributed by the Namdhari followers.

    According to Daily Pehredar so-called “Namdhari Nitnem” carries “Hawan Vidhi” (procedure of Hawan) and so-called “Rehatnama of Patshahi 12”.

    According to Daily Pehredar (DP) the distribution of cloths and Namdhari Nitnem was in the knowledge of Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh; however, the DP notes that Giani Gurbachan Singh tried to escape the issue that he had allowed the persons to distribute the cloths because they were of his native place.

    It is learnt that the Granthis and Ragis who has received Namdhari stuff returned it in order to avoid any controversy.
     
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    :( Good to see he has more regard for a 'native place' in Maya than his position at the helm of what is meant to be a universal and unique way of life. What is the point of him even being there, exactly, if he's not going to act in the panth's best interests? :angryyoungkaur:
     
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    IMO these are just plain coverup statements. Even if they belonged to his native place or something, they still don't have any business in distributing Anti-Gurmat material to Ragis and Granthis in a Sikh place of worship. Even the Jathedar doesn't have the right to violate SRM, he is a Sikh above everything else.
     
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    I agree Gyaniji. The word Nitnem is but just a vernacular word. In fact, it wouldn't even be such an issue if the buck stopped here.

    But the machinations of Namdharis extend well beyond this. On one hand, they claim to be Amritdharis but on the other hand they have their Dehdhaari Gurus, a doctored version of the Sikh Ardas adding names of their so-called Dehdhaari Gurus, perform havans, even observe religious days related to Hindu deities(On the occasion of Krishna Janmashtami this year, a samagam was organised by Namdhari community of Thailand, with invitation pamphlets referring his as 'Satguru Krishna').

    Is there any clause of SRM the Namdharis haven't violated?
     
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    you know what they say about people who live in glass houses, it would be nice to see our own house in order....
     
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    Yeah I guess that's about right too.
     
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