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Missing Passage in Varan

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by tosh, Jan 15, 2009.

  1. tosh

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    Search on the Internet suggests there are 40 varan. However, there are
    passages which are not included in the 40 varas. What is the proof that
    there are just 40 varan?
    The specific passage that I am referencing is:
    kab laagai masathak charanan raja
    dharas dhaeiaa dhrigan kab dhaekho |
    anmrith bachan suno kab sravanana|
    kab rasanaa baenathee bisaekho |
    kab kar karo ddanddouth bandhanaa|
    pagan farikramaadh pun raekho |
    praem bhagath prathash praanapathi|
    giaan dhiaan jhavinapadh laekho |401|
     
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    The passage in gurmukhi :

    kb lwgY msqik crnn rj
    drsu dieAw idRgn kb dyKau ]
    AMimRq bcn sunau kb sRvnn]
    kb rsnw bynqI ibsyKau ]
    kb kr krau fMfauq bMdnw]
    pgn PirkRmwid pun ryKau ]
    pRym Bgq pRqiC pRwnpiq]
    igAwn iDAwn Jivnpd lyKau ]401]
     
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    tosh ji

    This is interesting because at searchgurbani.net the Chapter Index for Bhai Gurdas vaaran shows 41 vaaran. At this link:
    Vaaran Bhai Gurdas :Vaar41Pauri:SearchGurbani.com

    I tried searching using your Gurmukhi vaar above and was not successful. Wish you luck.
     
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    Mystery solved - found the passage in Kibit 801, not in Vaaran.
     
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    That is good news. Now we have all learned something because of your question. Thanks. :yes:
     
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    I made a typo - passage is in kabit 401
     
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    Dear Aad0002 Jio,
    Gurfateh.
    Regarding your query on Bhai Gurdass and his 40 or 41 vaars ????

    The Original Bhai Gurdass Ji ( Scribe of the Kartarpuri Bir..AAd Granth of Sri Guru Arjun Ji Sahib....and Mama Ji of Guru Arjun Ji..) wrote 40 Vaars.

    Somehow ??? mystery of mysteries.... some one ADDED a 41st Vaar to the 40 Vaars of Bhai Gurdass. This happened when the Printing Press came into being.
    Sikhs being good for "sleeping while the sun shines" ( while others amke the proverbial Hay !!)...kept on sleeping and saying 41 vaars of Bhai Gurdass....UNTIL one fine day..some one woke up and said...HEY...this 41st Vaar is about GURU GOBIND SINGH JI and His Khalsa.... so how could it be the work of the Bhai Gurdass who died LONG BEFORE Guru Gobind Singh ji !!!!
    The ready made answer..Gharriah gharriah jawaab ??..OH this 41st Vaar is by...none other than.....drum roll... BHAI GURDASS SINGH...or Bhai Gurdass Ji the SECOND !!!! DRUM ROLL....and the Sikhs went back to SLEEP !! No proof whatsoever about "SINGH"..as well..just assumed he must be a SINGH since he is post Guru Gobind Singh Ji.....
    Fast Forward..Age of the Internet arrived....people just refused to accept any and all "bull"...ESPECIALLY when it was found that the 41st Vaar was SO RACIST, ANTI-ISLAM and BLATANTLY LYING....just a tiny example..it declares that the KHALSA DESTROYED MOSQUES, STOPPED the NAMAAZ , BANNED Circumcison...and killed Muslims. Such a Blatant LIE....as the Khalsa did no such thing..in fact the Khalsa and its Gurus BUILT MOSQUES !!! Guru hargobind Ji built a mosque..Maharaja ranjit singh gave huge amounts to mosques...not a single incident of any mosque destruction even durign the Banda Singh times. Sikhs weere lulled into a deep slumber just by the inclusion of certain couplets like...Waho waho Gobind Singh aapeh Gur chela....Peevoh Amrit Khandeshaar hoveh janam suhela..etc which were sprinkled among couplets of naked HATRED and RACISM agaisnt the Islamics.
    The Cat was now out of the bag..well and proper...research shows that this poem is actually by a BRAHMIN living after Guru gobind Singh ji...and his "sikh" name is Koer Singh.....
    The 64 Billion Dollar question remains..WHY wasnt his real name revealed earlier...why hsi spurious vaar was SURREPTIOUSLY ADDED to the Bhai Gurdass's 40 vaars as the 41st Vaar..and who did this ?? ( Culprits are the BOOKSELLERS cum PUBLISHERS who had a monopoly on ALL Sikh literature/even SGGS birs etc etc..all this while ) Looks like a "conspiracy theory" doesnt it.... well it happens to be the TRUTH....and as they say TRUTH is stranger than Fiction...

    A very well researched article on this is available at the follwoing site under literature/books.
    Tapoban.org

    Gyani jarnail Singh:yes:
     
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    Gyani ji

    This is fascinating stuff. I did not actually read the Vaar, but just went to the index to see how many vaars were listed, before looking for the missing pauree. Then saw 41 and just decided to ask tosh ji whether what I saw sounded right to him.

    Well, he found he was in the wrong place. And now you are telling this amazing story. The context for the extra vaar could be a book I am betting.

    Thank you,
    Antonia
     
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    Well I went back and read the first 4 paurees from Vaar 41 -- AND YOU ARE RIGHT! IT IS CRAZY. :yes: So what is it doing in the collection of vaars without any editorial comment on this? :inca:And you have the wittiest way of explaining the problem. Thanks again.

    Here is something I found on the Internet about that.

    A bird’s eye view of Sikh history shows that from the very beginning of the Sikh movement there have been some who worked to interpolate into the holy verses of the Sikh Gurus. Quite a number of versifiers had cropped up even during the lifetime of the Gurus who would write verses in the style of the Gurus and would mislead the Sikhs. Even in Guru Arjan Dev’s compilation of the holy scripture – Adi Granth Sahib, there appear verses carrying Mahalla sixth and seventh in some birs. The fact is that the sixth and seventh Gurus never wrote a single line for inclusion into the holy Granth.

    From the very onset, Brahmanical influences have always remained hostile to the Sikh movement. A few instances would show how with this influence on people in general, some subverts were at work to subvert the movement from within. The move was so subtle that truth could not be sifted for long. Perhaps it took a century or two to find out. For instance, there was one Koer Singh who wrote Gur-Bilas Patshai Dasmi in 1751, 43 years after the demise of Guru Gobind Singh. He was a Vaishnav Hindu – Bishan Chand. He admits that he was a Sikh only by name. He invented a myth that before the creation of the Khalsa Guru Gobind Singh worshipped mythical Hindu goddess Durga and that he was blessed by other mythical gods and goddesses of the Hindus. He propagated that all Gurus of the Sikhs were in fact, avtars – incarnation of Lord Vishnu. This is pure blasphemy as we know from the study of Gurbani. He did not stop short there. He wrote a ballad (vaar) in praise of Guru Gobind Singh under the pen name Bhai Gurdas Singh and had it added as vaar 41 of Bhai Gurdas who was contemporary of the Sikh Gurus (from third to sixth Guru). This vaar 41 mislead the Sikhs in believing that Khalsa was created by Guru Gobind Singh to put an end to the religion of Prophet Mohammed. This goes against the basic principles of the Sikh Gurus (ref: Pauri 16 and 17).


    Authored by Madan Singh, can be downloaded in pdf format.
     
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    Dear Antonia Jio,
    Gurfateh.

    Dont you get the sinking feeling that perhaps such "dark forces" are still hard at work even today ? Wittness the "missing" hundreds of valuable handwritten manuscripts, ancient birs, hukmnamahs, etc etc which went "missing" during 1984 and have never seen the light of day even after 24 years ? The Sikh Reference Library was seen by reliable eyewittnesses to have been set on fire after it was emptied of all contents. Eye wittnesses reveal that the stuff was packed in gunny bags and loaded abroad Army Transports and taken away....up till today NO ONE..from PM to President of India..Defence Minsiter etc wants to say where this material all went and why it is beign with-held...and to top it all its "return" is LOWEST on SGPC/Badal Govt agenda....they half heartedly shoot off a letter or two to the Central govt ?? when pressure from sikh soures becomes too hot...and then its back to the cooler room...
    With modern resources available to GOVT SOURCES....whereby even currencies of neighbours are counterfeited to extremely high standards...."counterfeiting" and interpolating various agendas INTO these "authentic" sikh historical documents..and then releasing them slowly back into circulation to cause conflicts etc would be an easy job...

    This is ONE REASON why all "SIKH" history/writings etc etc MUST be weighed in at the touchstone of GURBANI in the SGGS as we have it today....anything that even remotely clashes with GURBANI must not be acepted at face value. We are lucky that the SGGS as it is is so widely available that countereiting it is impossible...although there are attempts being made to lay some "conflict" at its door step..doubts on Bhagat bani, Bhatt bani Bhai Sunder Jis bani etc etc are being actively pursued at many stations....so that Sikhs may begin to doubt the GURU....and fall easy prey to those varied agendas...active promotion of spurious books is part and parcel of casting doubt on sggs as the SOLE GURU of Sikhs. It si imperative that SIKHS have cast iron faith in the GURU SGGS and ONLY SGGS.
    Thus the Vaars Kabits etc must be tested on the touchstone of GURBANI in SGGS....and only those that PASS this LITMUS test will be accepted as genuine..others as interpolated at some phase in time.

    Gyani jarnail Singh
     
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    Yes, a sinking feeling followed by extreme exasperation. I will take ALL of your words very seriously, in fact graven in my brain.

    The question that is still out there is how to mobililze and AGITATE and FUND recovery of documents -- much like the recovery of valuable art and manuscripts after World War II. This is another example of putting history "under erasure" because of political and individual ambition. And I want to add... it is ambition that is criminal in nature because it is propagated by egotism masquerading around as the wisdom of one to impose on every one else. Not a good start to my weekend, but a sobering one.

    HERE IS A RELATED SPN DISCUSSION FROM SOME TIME AGO http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/3707-varaan-bhai-gurdass-ji-kunji-gurbani.html
    You were making the important points back then!


    I don't know what to say.......:mad:
     

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