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  1. rajneesh madhok

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    A Tribune Investigation
    MBBS in 11 yrs, but makes it to PPSC merit list
    Chitleen K Sethi
    Tribune News Service
    Chandigarh, March 6
    [​IMG] An aspirant for a doctor’s job in Punjab — the selection process taken care of by the Punjab Public Service Commission — had done his MBBS from a private college in Maharashtra with 58.3 per cent marks. Let alone the low percentage, he took eleven long years (1993-2004) to complete his five-and-a-half-year duration medical course. PPSC result: Among top five!

    [​IMG] Another candidate seemed so sure of his prospects that just before the interview he switched over from the reserved category of sports, where he would have competed with only a handful, to the general category. PPSC result: Among top 10!
    [​IMG] Yet another aspirant cleared her MBBS with 57 per cent marks. Her attempt certificate reveals that she cleared her first prof exams of MBBS in two attempts, II in two attempts, III prof in five attempts and the final in three attempts, a total of 12 attempts instead of four. PPSC result: Among top 20!
    These are a few of the surprising entries in the PPSC merit list of doctors — the list comprising of “chosen ones”, Punjab’s rich and powerful, desperate for the elusive government job. A Tribune investigation has found that the selection of 312 doctors last year by the PPSC was done through a process that barely veiled the intentions of those involved in the selection process, with 50 per cent marks allocated for the interview alone.
    Sources have told The Tribune that the posts were up for sale and anything between Rs 12 lakh and Rs 20 lakh per post was gathered by several conduits across the state allegedly on behalf of those running the show at the PPSC.
    The most used channel for the purpose, as per sources, was an ASI-level cop who worked in connivance with a revenue department official, who allegedly had an access to those who mattered. A senior vigilance bureau official, too, reportedly had his men contacting applicants, offering “competitive” rates.
    Several senior doctors of the state, as also some candidates, are also said to have turned into “middlemen”. A former MLA of the state, it is alleged, charged a fee for getting names of certain candidates into the “sifarish list” — allegedly drawn up by the state’s political bigwigs.
    Documents gathered under the RTI Act by The Tribune also show that the selected doctors include close relatives of judges, ministers, MLAs, IAS and IPS officers. The selections were made in two lots of 100 and 212 for which interviews were held between February and October last year.
    The RTI documents reveal that PPSC’s merit list of the first lot of 100 medical officers was a collection of below-average students, many of whom had done their MBBS from private colleges in Bihar, Maharashtra, Karnataka and Nepal on a paid seat. Also, many of them had cleared their medical degree in several attempts and had failed in one or more subjects during the course.
    While these candidates were selected, the meritorious ones, some of them even toppers in pre-medical entrance tests, colleges and universities, were ignored.
    A “topper” scored a mere 57.4 per cent in MBBS. Yet another top-ranker, son of a bureaucrat, scored 58 per cent marks in MBBS, which he took six-and-a-half years to complete. An MBBS from Jammu University, with 56 per cent marks, also made it to the top ten positions.
    PPSC chairman Sanjit Sinha could not be contacted. However, PPSC member Brig (Retd) DS Grewal said the commission had selected the medical officers through a proper process in which the interview boards left no room for any discrepancy. “No complaints whatsoever were received by the PPSC alleging that money had exchanged hands for filling up these posts.”
    (To be concluded)
    A Tribune Investigation
    45 doc interviews in 40 min! PPSC did it
    Chitleen K Sethi
    Tribune News Service
    Chandigarh, March 7
    The process of selection adopted by the Punjab Public Service Commission (PPSC), it seems, was “tailor-made” to suit the “pre-selected” candidates. Not only did the commission deviate from the past practice of holding a screening test, but also hinged the main selection procedure on an interview, which accounted for 50 per cent of the total marks.

    Moreover, the interviews too were a total farce, it is learnt. For, the interviews of most of the “pre-rejected” applicants only lasted from 30 seconds to a minute-and-a-half. The fact can be better gauged from this: Interviews of 45 candidates were completed in less than 40 minutes on a given day, the duration including the time taken for checking certificates at three levels.
    Notably, when the job-applicant ratio is substantially large, a screening test is conducted by public service commissions across the country. However, despite the fact that in this case the number of applications was over 20 times the number of advertised posts, PPSC decided to give the screening test a miss.
    Not only this, absurd questions were allegedly asked from “pre-rejected” candidates during interviews. “How many teeth does a frog have?; Give the flight details to Russia? Why didn’t you go in for a third child?” included some of them. Then, another student was called “stupid” and asked to “get out” when he tried to explain why he had become a doctor while his parents were non-medicos.
    “On the other hand, some VIP candidates were escorted in, offered tea and asked about the welfare of their parents,” a rejected candidate from Gurdaspur said.
    While the PPSC had kept 50 per cent marks for interviews, the remaining were divided as: academic background (35), higher qualifications (3), publications (5), social work (5) and participation in extra-curricular activities like NSS and NCC (2).
    However, neither the interview criteria nor this breakup of marks were intimated to candidates. Both the advertisements, inviting applications for the two lots of 100 and 212 posts, did not mention a word about the selection procedure. When some candidates sought the criteria under the RTI Act, they were told by the PPSC that this information was “secret” and could not be divulged. The criteria were, however, notified on the PPSC website 10 days after the conclusion of the interviews for the first lot of 100 selections.
    On the basis of documents gathered by The Tribune, it is clear that unlike the general mass of candidates, many candidates seemed to know this breakup much earlier as all the relevant certificates were attached by them with their application forms and bio-data sheets, giving them a lead of several marks over others.
    In some cases of the “pre-selected” candidates, the certificates were put on record only a few days before the interview, a fact borne out by the date of issuance of the certificates. One successful candidate was allowed to submit the certificates even after the interview.
    The genuineness of these “last-minute” certificates is also questionable. RTI records of the certificates submitted by a selected candidate in the first list of 100 doctors shows her to be in a state 2,500 km away from Punjab appearing for her final year exams and also attending NSS camp at Kapurthala.
    When contacted, PPSC member DS Grewal said there was no way of finding out if the certificate was genuine or not. “I agree many candidates took us for a ride,” he said. He said the interview method was chosen with an aim to have doctors with “well rounded personalities” and not mere medical experts. “We also did not want to make any drastic changes from the earlier system,” he added.
    Sources, however, pointed out that in 1998 when the last set of selections for the PCMS through the PPSC took place, there were 900 seats and 1,200 applicants and yet a screening test was conducted.
    (To be concluded)
    A Tribune Investigation
    Judge’s daughter in first PPSC doc list, son-in-law in second
    Chitleen K Sethi/TNS

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    Badal orders probe
    Taking cognisance of The Tribune reports, Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal on Monday ordered an inquiry into allegations of malpractices in the recruitment of doctors by the PPSC. Chief Secretary SC Aggarwal has been asked to conduct a probe and submit his report within 30 days.
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    Chandigarh, March 8
    In what may be called as a perfect example of the powered and moneyed people making best use of their influence, the “pre-selected” doctors who undertook Punjab Public Service Commission’s test for government jobs reportedly bragged about their positions much before the merit list was out. And interestingly, while the daughter of a judge made it to the first merit list, his son-in-law’s name figuired in the second.

    An investigation by The Tribune has revealed that several “backdoor channels” were active for ensuring a seat in PPSC’s final list and that lakhs were doled out by those desperate to get their wards into the Punjab Civil Medical Service.
    A rejected candidate said: “As I sat in my car after my interview, a person approached me with an offer to get my work done for Rs 10 lakh.” Another girl said: “After my interview, I was asked by an employee at the PPSC to meet a particular member at his residence but I refused.”
    Not only this, “pre-selected” candidates bragged about even knowing their positions in the merit list on the day of their interviews, some rejected candidates have alleged, adding other bragged about having gotten a bit cheap deal. “There were persons who had offers ranging from Rs 12 lakh to Rs 15 lakh for a seat. Only a handful managed to get a rate less than Rs 10 lakh,” a candidate said.
    Other than those who allegedly bought a seat for their wards, the state’s high and mighty also figure prominently in the list of successful candidates. The list of first 100 doctors included the name of the daughter of a then sitting High Court judge. The name of her father prefixed with “Justice” figured in the certificates she attached with the papers submitted to the PPSC, it has been found.
    Among the top five in the list was the sister of a sessions judge. She had scored 57.4 per cent in her MBBS from a private college in Amritsar. “I was shocked to see her name among the PPSC toppers. She and another top ranker of PPSC were my students. There were other students too in my class who had applied and deserved to be in the list,” a professor in the college said.
    The wife of another judicial officer also figures in the list. She had scored 55.4 per cent marks and took six attempts to pass instead of three. The top five also include the son of an IAS officer who is now retired but was in service when his son was interviewed. He scored 58 per cent marks from a government medical college where he took six-and-a-alf years to clear his MBBS. Another seat in the first lot also went to the wife of an IAS officer who was then posted as the Deputy Commissioner, Patiala.
    The second lot of 212 seats included the son-in-law of the Judge whose daughter figured in the first list. Going by the address in the application forms, this list also includes the son of another High Court Judge. He had scored 67 per cent marks in his MBBS from a private medical college in Haryana. This judge is also said to have approached the health department not only for an extension in the joining period for his son, but also for a posting near Chandigarh.
    Relatives of two serving ministers, one of the Akalis and the other BJP, also figure in the list. The daughter of a senior IPS officer was also selected. The addresses in the forms show that wives of two SSPs were among the top 10 in the second list. Both, however, had MD degrees and had also scored well in their MBBS. The wife of another IAS officer also made it to the top 60 of this list. She had scored 62.88 per cent marks in her MBBS, which she did from Rajasthan.
    Two close relatives of in-service civil surgeons posted in the state have also made it to the list, as also the relatives of two retired civil surgeons, besides the relatives of two former MPs. (To be concluded)


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    Shameless BADAL :AR15firing:
     
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    FANTASTIC..I hope i never fall sick in Punjab !! Jhola Chhaap docs...(snake oil types):angeldevil:
     
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    Don't worry Gyani ji You are rich NRI There are truck loads of private hospital chains caring for rich people with best of Doctors:):)
     
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    Dear Gyani Jarnail Singhji & Kanwardeepji,
    Regards,
    Whether the doctors appointed by the Punjab Govt will be able to diagnose and treat the sick or inured. Whether they are able to provide treatment, examine patients, managing childbirths, handle Outpatients, Handle Emergencies or they are just joining to refer the patients to the private hospitals to earn exorbitant commission which is running in Punjab @ 80%. The patient being admitted with reference of doctor gets 80% commission. The doctors of Private and Government Hospitals those have indoor surgeries make exorbitant money by malpracticing. The patient is being referred to bring the kit for operation. I am providing the example on child birth. When the patient reach to the hospital. The concerned doctor in almost 90% cases will say that the condition of the patient and child is very serious and so we shall have to go for Cesarean option for delivery. The reason of this suggestion is that if the normal delivery is being done then the bill of the hospital will remain 10% so the earnings of the doctors and the hospitals will be wiped out. The doctor will suggest that the Cesarean operation is required, Why? Because the doctor don't waste his/her time in waiting for labor pains. All of a sudden the doctor will suggest about the cesarean operation though the doctor who earns 90% commission in the shape of tests that are being conducted in the laboratories. The next moment doctor put the prescription slip in your hand to bring the kit of medicines. In almost all the cases doctor will not prescribe the medicines but he/she will write kit on the plain paper and this kit will be available in the medical shop of the particular hospital. The medical shop hand over you the kit. That carton of medicines, Gulucose, injenctions will never be opened in the operation theatre. The doctor will provide about two capsules in medicine and put anethesia injection to the patient. The operation will be conducted in say 15-25 minutes. How much medicines and injections a patient can take in this time. Your kit is being returned to the same chemist shop by the doctor who conducted the operation. But the doctor to win your confidence will certainly provide a loose cotton about 100 grams to you and two three tablets and one injection that these medicines have not been consumed. Have you followed the modus operendi. The patient is being robbed in the broad day light but if he knows the fact even then he keep his mouth shut. You have to shell out Rs 40-50 thousand. The doctors expenditure in this smallest operation will not be Rs 3,000 if you count all the expenditures made to you especially. This is the way the medical profession is becoming enriched day by day. I am not talking about obstricians only every doctor used to make money by adopting this phenomenon. The doctor prescribe the medicines of the particular Pharmaceutical company why? Because the company provide handsome gifts to the doctors. These gifts consists of Foreign tours with family to the expensive gifts, ACs and all that. The Chemists used to pay to a hospital not less than Rs 2 Lakh per month. The source of income of the chemists is not by earning from the medicines but to sell the Gerneric medicines. In Generic medicines of multi national companies the margin is 80% to 90%. If we go for the product of the non standard company then you can imagine the margin of profit. In addition to it the kit which goes in and comes out from the operation theatre also gives handsome margin to the doctor and chemist. In this process the chemists and doctor share the amount by 75-25% ratio.
    Now go on considering that this is charitable hospital, General Hospital the same mal-practices are being adopted every where.
    This is the aspect why the doctors are paying in crores to get appointed.
    Rajneesh Madhok
     
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    Guru Piayario Jios..Rajneesh madhok Ji and kanwardeep Ji..
    Firts of all I am a NRI..but not the "rich" kind..just about middle income bracket by Malaysian standard of living and upper middle income by Punjab standards. In Malaysia i go to Government hospitals for treatment....and to Private only in certain conditions where the treatment is better there..( example Eye surgery). IN Mlaysia the situation is such that Govt Hopsitals have the best facilities as only the Govt can afford to buy the latest machines/equipment etc..so Open Heart surgery/childbirth/ etc is best in Govt facilities.

    On Rajneesh's post..the BOTTOM LINE is CORRUPTION. in fact if one just remove the "Doctor" and replace with anyone else...the story will FIT. Just take the GURDWARA ( I know this best...obvioulsy !! he he )...you will find that replacing the "doctor/kit/medicine etc" and putting in "Granthi/Rumallah/Degh/etc" you will find the story fits to a T. The Expensive Rummalhs.chandoas that people bring to Gurdwara - Especially hugely popular places like Harmandar sahib Amrtisar..go straight BACK to the SHOPS that sell them....the Rations/atta etc...degh etc is all "contracted" out for PROFIT...its all one big BUSINESS !!! Paaths are SOLD..by email !! Goluck can be by BANK IN !! Ardass/hukmanmah can be BOUGHT by Bank In form Overseas...

    CORRUPTION is a CANCER..and once a SOCIETY gets sick with CORRUPTION...all parts/organs are affected..it can be the head..brain..liver..legs..blood...and it KILLS...similarly ALL in Society are affected..doctors..engineers..granthis..political leaders..teachers..whatever...ALL get INFECTED and SOCIETY DIES.:angeldevil:
     
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    Let me add two cents of mine in it.

    At First we have to look the problem First.India has adopted or should I said copied the method of west to become a Doctor.The process is not only hard but long and expensive too.The salary offered by Punjab government or any other state government in Rural area is peanut.So there is no way a qualified honest Doctor will work for Government When he/she has option of Private practice,private job or even leaving India.The time,energy and effort a student put through to get into an MBBS course is too much.
     
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    The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News
    A Tribune Investigation
    PPSC denying info on selections
    Chitleen K Sethi
    Tribune News Service
    Chandigarh, March 9
    The Punjab Public Service Commission’s (PPSC) belief in “transparent functioning” can be gauged from the fact that it has been denying all information pertaining to these selections under the RTI Act to almost everyone who applied.

    The commission was asked to supply copies of the application forms and the accompanying certificates of the 312 selected doctors. The information was, however, refused on frivolous grounds. This information, running into over 6,000 pages, was finally gathered from the Department of Health and Family Welfare after the PPSC sent details of the selected doctors to the department.
    Several rejected candidates were also denied information regarding marks details of selected and rejected candidates.
    “In the first lot of 100 selections, my son placed 24th in the reserved category list. His PPSC score was 55 per cent. A candidate whose ranking was in 280s on the list had scored 25 per cent marks. Neither my son, nor he was selected. However, in the second list of 212 doctors, my son’s rank was 315th (with a score of 27.31), while the other candidate, whose ranking in the first list was in 280s, was selected,” said the father of a rejected candidate from Mukerian. “We asked for distribution of marks from the PPSC, but were not given any information,” he added.According to RTI activist and advocate HC Arora, pleas for “information about application forms and bio-data sheets of rejected candidates also met with no response from the PPSC. The appeals against denial of this information is pending with the Punjab State Information Commission”.
    Another aspirant who did MBBS from the All-India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) and was among the rejected candidates was also denied information about the selection.
    What does the commission want to hide? “Nothing,” retorted PPSC member Brig DS Grewal. “Selection is a secret process and no one can be given this information under the RTI Act,” he added.A source in the PPSC, however, said the commission officials took special care to consider all RTI applications regarding selections. “The files went up to the top authorities, who specially ordered that information may not be given. Truth will come out if flags on those files can also be accessed,” he said.
    PPSC not to recruit next lot of docs
    Sources said the Department of Health, Punjab, had decided not to hand over the recruitment of the next lot of doctors for the Punjab Civil Medical Services to the PPSC.
    Panel formed by rejected candidates The rejected candidates from Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur and Bathinda have got together and constituted a front to carry the battle forward. “We are issuing an appeal to the other PPSC victims to contact us at doctorsjusticeleague@gmail.com so that a common strategy can be worked out,” said a doctor from Bathinda.
     
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    THATS..because...professions are no more to SERVE....just the fastest way to make as much money as possible...
    Just look at how many..Indian Doctors serve as VOLUNTEERS..say in Africa...or Rural INDIA ...Afghanistan...Mongolia..Bangladesh..cambodia..?? Almost ALL such volunteers are WHITES..and always have been...ASIANS..means a doctor is to make money.period. where got time to serve the poor ??
    Similarly..when a Patwaree has to give a BRIBE of a few lakhs..how cna nayoen expect him to SERVE ?? When a Police Constable ahs to bribe his way into a job..how cna he NOT accept BRIBES ?? When a SGPC member gets elected via Hundreds of litres of sheraab, and bribery..how can we expect him not to steal the GOLUCK ?? First time he may use his own money to dish out sheraab...but after winning..he will use the GOLUCK..year after year...just as Badal is now doing for past 40 years...

    Its CORRUPTION and IMMORALITY at the bottom of all this...MALAYSIA is not far behind India...its fast catching up...after all we have Indionesia as our neighbour..and corruption there is galloping as fast as the fastest Arabian Horse/stallion after a Mare !!:whisling::whisling::whisling::whisling:
     
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    Gyani ji

    White's have created countries after hundreds of years of exploitations.Their condition is like 900 choohe khaake billi haj ko chali.Their present and future is very secured.They know that their country will take care most of their needs.On the other hand in countries like India No money nothing,No one will give you Girl for marriage.Your friends ,relative's will taunt you as some kind of failure.

    For example if a doctor serve in rural area and suddenly an accident or other unnatural thing happen to him then who will take care of him and his family?
    You can only serve others if your own life is secured.In India we people one most unsecured life.So in this situation only person who is from rich family or a real saint can think of serving the others
     
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    Kanwardeep Singh Ji,
    Gurfateh.

    It is a Fallacy to think that one must be "Rich".."have a LOT".."have enough".."be secured"....etc etc before one can...share...serve...
    Man being what he is..can NEVER have "enough....a lot...be rich...be secured....etc etc

    IN Sidh Ghost the Sidhs gave Guru nanak ji a till seed..and told Him..Waand Chhako !! Guur Ji put this tiny seed in a Koonda, pounded it with a gallon of water and served all present with a sip...

    In History a Fakir gave Sheikh Farid Ji at age 5 ONE ANaar...and said..waand this to the few hundred persons present...Farid Ji opened it and distributed a "seed" to each person present...

    Bhagat ravidass Ji is Famous for Waand Chhako..He was a poor COBBLER with a FAMILY..and it is said no one who came to his DOOR ever went away HUNGRY !! and what could be the earnings of a cobbler ?? I read that Bhagat ji was viisted by a Fakir who had a PARAS STONE. He tried to persuade Bhagt ji to take that Paras and thus manufacture GOLD so he could serve many many more people Langgar etc. Bhagt Ji refused saying i have ENOUGH. The Fakir kept insisting...so Bhagta Ji told him to place the Paras in his roof and he would USE IT..IF the NEED AROSE.
    Mnay years later the same Fakir viisted the town of Bhagat ji..and he remebered the Paras he gave to Bhagt Ji..he thought by now Bhagat ravidass Ji would be liivng in a Mansion, and Langgars would be running on ahuge scale with thousands being fed and hundreds of rooms etc for visitors etc...WAS HE SURPRISED to see Bhagat ravidass Ji sitting outside the same hut doing the same job...not a single change. He approached Bhagat ji and asked him...you didnt use the Paras to manufacture GOLD ?? OH I DIDNT feel the NEED to do so...because each day the Creator gave me ENOUGH JOBS to do, earn ENOUGH to feed my family and any visitors who came my way...I had told you..i will use the Paras if i felt the need to do it...thnaks to Him..I never needed it. You are welcome to retrieve it from the roof where you placed it years ago...

    WE have one saint...Bhagat Pooran Singh of Pingalwarra..he started with NOTHING..and ended with NOTHING..but along the WAY..he helped thousands...we also have THOUSANDS of MALIK BHAGOS...billionaires in Delhi, Dubai, etc etc who are SIKHS..yet who give NOTHING to uplift the poor sikhs among them....I cant beleive the Super Rich Industrialists sikhs of Delhi have never heard of Tralokpuri Sikhs...the Sikligars...who also live in DELHI ?? Maybe the Rich Sikhs still dont have "enough"...they are not secure yet...only THEN will they help their neighbours ??

    IF we have the WILL..we can share even a TILL SEED...or one anaar...and IF we DONT have the will..then even a Million ACRE ORCHARD full of ANAARS..will not be ENOUGH for us to give away one ROTTEN FRUIT !!!:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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    Gyani ji

    Please re read my I already said that a person must be real saint in these circumstances to
    do sewa.I am talking about people in General .

    It is not like they haven't heard.But majority of sikhs believe that It is the duty of Gurdwara
    committee's to take care of them.Both SGPC and DSGMC are super cash rich.From where this money is coming?
    .The problem is that rich sikhs or rich people Don't want to dedicate their time for sewa
    because their entire time is for business and then for family.
     

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