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UK Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji jee

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  1. Hardip Singh

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    Today on my Khalsabook account, I received this attached picture of Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the holy scripture.

    One thing I could not understand was, that how a Gursikh of Ranjit Singh's calibre could himself sit under a canopy (Chandoa) and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji jee does not have one. Ranjit Singh , as much I have studied, was a very humble Sikh and whenever in Darbar Sahib he visited, he was like a devout Sikh and not like a Maharaja as shown.

    Is this possible or its just an artistical view. Request to all, pl if you can clarify it. Thanks.
     

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    Re: Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the holy SGGS jee

    imho its a FAKE..designed to promote the DG as a parallel granth ( see 2 grantsh parkashed exactly same way)...the Maharaja would NOT accept any valuable gifts even..he would send them all to Harmandar sahib...so he cant be treating the GURU this way...and WHY would the GURU be OUTSIDE the Harmandar sahib ?? This also undermines the position of the Harmandara s well as the Akal takhat.
     
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    That exactly was my thought too, but was not sure. Thanks, Sir.
     
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    Re: Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the holy SGGS jee

    I've also seen this pic being used to argue that Dasam Granth is on the same level as GGS.

    Rather, I think these are two copies of GGS being recited at the same time.

    You cannot recite DG and GGS together. It would be like singing 2 different songs at once. It would sound like a mess.
     
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    Re: Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the holy SGGS jee

    When this picture was painted there was no such granth as the Dasam Granth. There were approximately 52 separate collections of hymns of unknown origin bound together. The actual contents of these individual collections did not match. Some hymns in one; others in another bound collection. The Dasam Granth emerges as a separate tome around 1901
     
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    1. I'm not going to weigh in on any theological controversy here. I don't know enough about that.

    2. These sorts of paintings often depict fanciful scenes, not real events. It is definitely a western-style painting, so either it comes from after the Anglo-Sikh Wars and was painted by a Sikh wanting to show a romantic image of the old days of Ranjit Singh, or it was painted by a westerner at some other time just as an Orientalist 'exotic' scene. The fact that there's no canopy over the SGGS is just one of several odd features. There are also misplaced 'Akalis' in pointy turbans flanking him for some reason, other people's turban styles look rather different to those in contemporary Persian paintings, and there seem to be all sorts of exotic servants around, like what seems to be a big fat shirtless man doing chaur-sahib seva at the back, a midget child running about in the middle and maybe even a harem girl near the rail.
     
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    The painter was Auguste Schoeff. He was a contemporary of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, and the scene would have been drawn from life drawings. We have to remember that the court of Ranjit Singh was full of riches and sensual delights - the maharaja himself had concubines. August Schoeff was there in person to capture the details of court life.

    August Schoeff was not standing at his easel painting the scene before him as we see it in the image.

    On your point of it being "fanciful." This painting was not composed from a real-time scene. So it is fanciful. Artists of the 19th Century brought renderings together to create the "big picture.' It is the result of many sketches or details of court life combined to create the panoramic view. As such it does represent the artist's personal reconstruction of a court scene built from many facets of court life.

    There is actually a story about the Nihang presence in the court and I will try to find out more. The "pointy" turban is historically correct for the British period.
     

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    Good info Singh ji, thanks.
    Makes sense, it would explain the general jumble of different things. Servants, akalis, canopy-bearers, priests and the emperor himself all together at once. It would also explain the ignorance of some specific details of the Sikh religion, like the lack of a canopy over the SGGS.

    Some questions:
    Is the red, toga-like dress worn by some of the men in that picture historical? Or is it artistic license? I've not seen such a thing worn as part of Panjabi dress today.

    Did Maharaja Ranjit Singh frequently have Granthis reading in court in reality?

    Was that pointy turban actually part of the Nihang uniform during the imperial era? I had thought it was earlier.
     
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    AngloSikhPeace ji

    So I still need to look up the Nihang story. And will churn up some information about the Akali Nihang dastar. You will notice they are decked with symbols of Shiva. To this day Shiva is an important theme within their maryada.
     
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