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Hinduism Kinds of Raam?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by Archived_member2, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. Archived_member2

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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all!

    May I ask how many kinds of Raam the Gurus have mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee?
    Can somebody guide me please?


    Balbir Singh
     
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    Dear Bablir Singh ji Satsriakaal!

    I dont know answer to your question as there seems to be too many references of Raam in Guru gRanth sahib and also I think I havent read all of Guru Granth Sahib so basically dont know?

    What I know is common understand of Viakhiakaar and Preachers is that its used in Two Context most as Attribute of God but also as refering to personality called RAAM that is also part of Epic RAmayana in Hindu Mythyology

    But this seesm to creating Duality in my mind and Ithink Guru should Dispel Duality and not create one So I m not sure on this One


    any way I also have query for you . I ope you will will help me !

    Help me understand First line to thi s Shabad from GuruDev



    rwgu sUhI mhlw 4 Gruu 1
    raag soohee mehalaa 4 ghar 1
    Raag Soohee, Fourth Mehla, First House: <> siqgur pRswid ]
    ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||
    One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
    min rwm nwmu AwrwiDAw gur sbid gurU gur ky ]
    man raam naam aaraadhhiaa gur sabadh guroo gur kae ||
    My mind worships and adores the Lord’s Name, through the Guru, and the Word of the Guru’s Shabad.
    siB ieCw min qin pUrIAw sBu cUkw fru jm ky ]1]
    sabh eishhaa man than pooreeaa sabh chookaa ddar jam kae ||1||
    All the desires of my mind and body have been fulfilled; all fear of death has been dispelled. ||1||
    myry mn gux gwvhu rwm nwm hir ky ]
    maerae man gun gaavahu raam naam har kae ||
    O my mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord’s Name.
    guir quTY mnu prboiDAw hir pIAw rsu gtky ]1] rhwau ]
    gur thut(h)ai man parabodhhiaa har peeaa ras gattakae ||1|| rehaao ||
    And when the Guru is pleased and satisfied, the mind is instructed; it then joyfully drinks in the subtle essence of the Lord. ||1||Pause||
    sqsMgiq aUqm siqgur kyrI gun gwvY hir pRB ky ]
    sathasa(n)gath ootham sathigur kaeree gun gaavai har prabh kae ||
    The Sat Sangat, the True Congregation of the True Guru, is sublime and exalted. They sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
    hir ikrpw Dwir mylhu sqsMgiq hm Dovh pg jn ky ]2]
    har kirapaa dhhaar maelahu sathasa(n)gath ham dhhoveh pag jan kae ||2||
    Bless me with Your Mercy, Lord, and unite me with the Sat Sangat; I wash the feet of Your humble servants. ||2||
    rwm nwmu sBu hY rwm nwmw rsu gurmiq rsu rsky ]
    raam naam sabh hai raam naamaa ras guramath ras rasakae ||
    The Lord’s Name is all. The Lord’s Name is the essence of the Guru’s Teachings, the juice, the sweetness of it.
    hir AMimRqu hir jlu pwieAw sB lwQI iqs iqs ky ]3]
    har a(n)mrith har jal paaeiaa sabh laathhee this this kae ||3||
    I have found the Ambrosial Nectar, the Divine Water of the Lord’s Name, and all my thirst for it is quenched. ||3||
    hmrI jwiq pwiq guru siqguru hm vyicE isru gur ky ]
    hamaree jaath paath gur sathigur ham vaechiou sir gur kae ||
    The Guru, the True Guru, is my social status and honor; I have sold my head to the Guru.
    jn nwnk nwmu pirE gur cylw gur rwKhu lwj jn ky ]4]1]
    jan naanak naam pariou gur chaelaa gur raakhahu laaj jan kae ||4||1||
    Servant Nanak is called the chaylaa, the disciple of the Guru; O Guru, save the honor of Your servant. ||4||1||
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    Thanks


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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all and Jatinder Jee!

    Quote "What I know is common understand of Viakhiakaar and Preachers is that its used in Two Context most as Attribute of God but also as refering to personality called RAAM that is also part of Epic RAmayana in Hindu Mythyology."
    Sikhs may be in occasion. They want to listen, the true Gurus. Preachers build a wall obstructing them with their explanations.
    I do not know if the Gurus have ever used the words like 'Ramayana' and 'Hindu Mythology'. Knowing it from where the preachers have learnt those words would be interesting.

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    Thanks for the wonderful Sabad from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee on page 731-7.
    Quote "Help me understand First line to thi s Shabad from GuruDev."

    This is my understanding of the the first line.

    ਮਨਿ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ॥
    मनि राम नामु आराधिआ गुर सबदि गुरू गुर के ॥
    "mani raam naam aaraadhhiaa gur sabadi guroo gur ke."
    In mind Raam Naam is worshiped with the technique of Sabad Guroo His Way.


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    BalBir Singh Ji SatsriAkal!

    Thanks for your explanation!
    Yes it helped me understand the shabad


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    BalBir Singh Ji SatsriAkal!

    About the common preception of preacher why they use RAAM as from RAMAYANA is that many times they dont have the right answer and they are under pressure to explain everthing and anything due to their so called enlightened status so under pressure they just tell what ever they is appropiate in the context

    this my understanding why they do so!


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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all!

    My curiosity to raise this query was awakened after reading articles of some writers. They are trying to convince others that the true Gurus did not sing about One Raam. The reverend Gurus when praise Raam He is the Supreme Lord. Sometimes they feel that the Gurus were not praising Raam then He was a human being and subjected to criticize. I am not sure if Gurdev ever criticized Raam.
    I may have not understood these writers.


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    i can see Raam everywhere Balbir ji

    i will ask this question directly

    maybe you can too...someday :)
     
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    well ill give u a link, read it then either believe it or make sure it an appropriate link by going to the books it mentions and making sure the quotes are true

    after reading the link you will see a difference between RAAM and Raam. Wut i mean is the difference between WAHEGURU (Name of God) and Waheguru Singh/Kaur (name of a person).

    Here is the link: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures
     
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    tu kyu dhoondey hai board board...tere rom rom mein Raam Raam.. :)
     
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    Bhagat Singh ji

    you seem to be reading some wonderful literature :)
     
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    There are some entries that I am quoting below for reference purpose.

    1.nwnk inrBau inrMkwru hoir kyqy rwm rvwl ] (464-17, Awsw, mÚ 1)
    O Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him.
    2.gwvin sIqw rwjy rwm ] (465-9, Awsw, mÚ 1)
    They sing of Sitas, and Ramas and kings.
    3.gurmiq swieir pwhx qwry ] (1041-6, mwrU, mÚ 1)
    Through the Guru's Teachings, Rama floated stones across the ocean.
    4. ds AvqwrI rwmu rwjw AwieAw ] (1279-18, mlwr, mÚ 2)
    The ten incarnations, and Rama the king, came into being.

     
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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all and Amarsanghera Jee!

    Quote "i can see Raam everywhere Balbir ji . . . i will ask this question directly . . . maybe you can too...someday"
    Thanks for your good wishes. Are you waiting for that day?

    Quote from Bhagat Singh Jee "after reading the link you will see a difference between RAAM and Raam. Wut i mean is the difference between WAHEGURU (Name of God) and Waheguru Singh/Kaur (name of a person)."
    That is great. People know the difference and holding it fast. May I ask if this difference can vanish also?

    Quote from Seeker07 Jee "O Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him."
    1.nwnk inrBau inrMkwru hoir kyqy rwm rvwl ] (464-17, Awsw, mÚ 1)

    I feel God is dust HIMSELF.

    Quote "They sing of Sitas, and Ramas and kings."
    2.gwvin sIqw rwjy rwm ] (465-9, Awsw, mÚ 1)
    By singing Seetaa is enthroned with Raam.

    Quote "Through the Guru's Teachings, Rama floated stones across the ocean."
    3.gurmiq swieir pwhx qwry ] (1041-6, mwrU, mÚ 1)
    By serving Gurmat, stone float across.

    Quote "The ten incarnations, and Rama the king, came into being."
    4. ds AvqwrI rwmu rwjw AwieAw ] (1279-18, mlwr, mÚ 2)
    Das Avtaaree Raam, The King has come.


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    Thank you Balbir ji

    waiting IS the process...isn't it?
     
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    Thanks for translations

    They make perfect sense to me and also solves the problem of two RAM so far


    Thanks Balbir Singh ji


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    yes i am reading a storyboard of a hindu porn movie. I didnt think it existed but it does. The stars of the movie are vishnu (the seducer), shiva(the raper) and brahma(the masturbater). Brahma creates, vishnu sustains and shiva destroys. This storyboard was wirtten a long time ago. Read about the support characters they are even more interesting.
    and No my rom rom does not have Raam the murderer of low castes.
     
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    Read the link, and ull know the difference. Skip to the ram section. The rest is very entertaining and at times humourous.
     
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    happy reading to you :)
     
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    Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
    Dear all and Bhagat Singh Jee!

    The link provided is the understanding of the author in English. I doubt it if the author really knows truth behind the scriptures in the original language.
    The problem is with the perverse understanding of the translators. The wisdom of Truth expressed through the enlightened persons in scriptures is above them. The true Gurus, enlightened persons or the ancient Rishees may express it.


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    thank you balbir ji

    i could not have put it better way

    Guru ji also talk about the glasses we wear while seeing and interpreting things
     
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    <<my rom rom does not have Raam the murderer of low castes.>>
    what does it have bhagat singh ji?
     

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