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  1. sikh15

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    What exactly is a Keshadhari Sikh and how does one make the transition from being Sehajdhari to Keshadhari? I'm not yet ready for this transition, but I would like to know for future reference.

    -Justin
     
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    sikh15 ji

    I don't think this question has ever been asked in this way. A keshdhari is one, male or female, who keeps hair or kesh.

    Among the 4 things forbidden a Sikh, there is kurehit or prohibition against "dishonoring the hair." Thus, no cutting or trimming of one's hair or beard, no removal of body hair or facial hair for women by waxing, tweezing eyebrows, shaving. No coloring or dying of one's hair.

    If you are a young person living at home, and your family is not Sikh or Punjabi then you are right to want to take this step slowly. Make sure your parents are not taken by surprise so they do not view keeping hair as some sort of act of rebellion on your part. It is a serious matter.

    You might want to read related threads here at SPN. To get you started reading.

    http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-...at-happens-when-amritdhari-breaks-sacred.html
     
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    Here are some examples of Sehajdharees..

    1. The Stduent sehajdharee...I will STUDY tomorrow..tonight i will have a night out...sehajdharee studnet never passes his exams becasue he never let go of his sehajdhareeism type of studying..

    2. The Sehajdharee alcoholic...takes a swig..and then says.I will STOP drinking tomorrow..or when this last bottle is empty...next day he is at the liquor store buying a new bottle..sehajdhareesim

    Sehajdhareeis is a FAKE..postponing type of escapism...it doenst work in studying..it doesnt work in stopping bad habits..it doesnt work in SIKHI...I will STOP cutting my hair..i will stop trimming my beard..tomorrow..i will begin nitnem tomorrow..is ESCAPIST philsosphy...one is NEVER READY until one puts ones foot down and SAYS "NOW".:mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag::mundakhalsaflag:
     
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    A little off-topic, but what is the Punjabi word for ''Dishonor'' ??
    I often try to explain it to others in Punjabi that hair can not be 'dishonored' in the sense of not just cutting but also tampering/coloring .etc..
    I would appreciate if someone could give me the Punjabi term in this case:peacesign::peacesign:
     
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    I looked this up for you in the Punjabi version of the Sikh Rehat Maryada. The word "dishonour" is in the English translation. The Punjabi version actually prohibits a beadbi of the hair -- i.e., committing a sacrilege on your hair.

    I cannot get the Punjabi fonts to copy over from the pdf document. Therefore, I have uploaded a page grab from the actual entry on page 18. You can see the word "kurehit" as the 3rd word in the header. And the prohibition against dishonouring hair is the 1st item, with the word "b-eadbi"

    The actual phrase is "kesa di b-eadbi"

    Perhaps the idea of "sacrilege" would make more sense to someone who doesn't understand the idea of dishonouring. Keep trying and they will get it.

    Next time I am in Canada, I expect a cup of Starbucks on you for this research effort. :)
     

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    Beadbi is same as Dishonour..or sacrilege...maybe slightly different aspects of the basic understanding that the Kakaars are "HOLY"...and must be respected - in words, deeds too !!

    Youa re nOT Punjabi so youa re not familaiar with how Punjabis Dishonour Kesh by WORDS...some mothers use the word JHAATA...FAHAH WADDHAN...lia kanichee..jhatteh da kajiah mukavaan...

    Many Sikhs wont let their kesh touch the floor..never keep kesh uncovered in bathroom/lavatory...except when BATHING/WASHING it..never let anyone touch them..never let the dastaar touch the ground..never let the datsar get wet in the mouth etc..etc.. this is "HONOURING" the hair as well as calling it KESH and not WAAL..hair..too !!! Very fine line...
     
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    Incidentally many sikhs wont throw the broken combed out :singhsippingcoffee: KESH in the dustbin either...they accumulate them and dispose of them properly (burn it ) this is also part of the.... HONOUR THY KESH !! Thats why a sikh is never Nanageh sir..uncovered head..either..so keski is always on !!
     
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    :grinningsingh: Thank you for that research !!
    Starbucks, cookies, Tim hortons, donuts and anything else are all ready to be served:icecreammunda::icecreamkudi:
     
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    I am also one of them....i thought being sehajdhari was like one who follows the panth and is moving on it slowly, not ready yet but still moving and hoping one day he/she will be comfortable in Sikhi saroop then any other. I also heard once, more we love Gurbani more our spirit changes so does our body, the way we wanna look...like we don't have to force ourselves to look like a Sikh but feel comfortable in no other way but a Sikh's way.
    *feeling confused*
     
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    love and peace Ji,
    There isn't any need to be confused. What Gyaniji is saying is valid in his own right. Some people use the Sehajdhari clause to flout the Sikh Rehat Maryada, for example, if someone is raised as a keshadhari and cuts his hair due to trivial reasons, maintaining that he/she is a Sehajdhari, isn't permissible at all. On the other hand, one who hasn't been keeping unshorn hair cannot be expected to transform in a day, and nor should they do so. The Rehat Maryada is not to be followed in fits of acceptance, it is a way of life, a philosophy of the highest order, which means dedication and devotion towards a cause of higher calling.
    Please don't think of yourself as a culprit or wrongdoer.
     
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    The emphasis is on.."Begin PRACTISING....SIKHI..."
    Just like a kid just netring Kindergarten..cannot be expected to write a 500 page THESIS for a PHD in a week..in a month...in a year..in a decade..so si the same for PRACTISING SIKHI...no one expects one who just ENROLLED in school to be ready with a PHD Thesis... BUT the other side fo teh COIN is...One cnat be expected to keep on repeating the ABCDEFGH...ABCDEFGH...123..A for APPLE..for ?? How LONG ?? a year..a decade..a few decades..until age 90 ?? there is a LIMIT..a REASONABLE LIMIT....Sehajdhareeism is NOT a LIFE TIME PROJECT...there is a reasonable time frame...but NO HARD AND FAST RULES.....the GURU SAHIBS personal LIVES are a SHINING EXAMPLE for us to follow...some like Baba Sri Chand NEVER got it.even after living till GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB JIS TIME !!!!! ..ohers like Baba ZORAWAR SINGH GOT IT ALL at AGE 5 !!! Guru harkishan ji got it all and MORE at age 6....Baba Fateh Singh got it at age 7...baba Jhujaar singh at age 12..Baba Ajit singh at age 14....YOU CHOOSE YOUR TIME !!! SIKHI is all about CHOICE...JIOS..not compulsion..what will others say..what will others NOT say..what will my daddy say..what will my mummy think..BLAH BLAH BLAH has no value whatsoever...its all about what YOUR INNER SADHU SAYS..LISTEN.
     
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    Thank you Aristotle and Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji, I am very very sensitive on few things regarding Sikhi,. like cutting hair , though I do cut but I am definitely moving on, I also understand I should not be a sad girl behind the 5 K's, I should be a proud happy cheerful girl behind the Holy 5 K's. My should should be happy and ready for it, if it isn't the time is not right yet but never to give up, you never know when I would hate cutting hair and feel uncomfortable the way I am right now.
    Just can't make it through without the right guidance that is why I am here.
    thanks again.
     
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    Sikh15 ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    This is a very good question. It means much more than being just a Keshadhari Sikh. It is rather the beginning of our behavioural metamorphosis.

    Before I get into that, I would like to clear a big misconception in the literal translation and also in our understanding about it in Gurmukhi from the cultural viewpoint.

    The following one-liner is just for an example. I know the rules of SPN dictate to use the whole Shabad, which I can do if requested. This particular verse is to prove a point. This verse is from 15th Salok by Bhagat Kabir ji in the following:

    http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=344&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&fb=0&k=1

    ਰੋਮ ਰੋਮ ਮਹਿ ਬਸਹਿ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ॥
    Rom rom mėh basėh murār.
    and on each and every hair, the Lord abides. ( Translated by Sant Singh Khalsa)
    ਰੋਮ ਰੋਮ ਮਹਿ = ਚੌਦ੍ਹਾਂ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਰੋਮ ਰੋਮ ਵਿਚ, ਸਾਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਦੇ ਜ਼ੱਰੇ ਜ਼ੱਰੇ ਵਿਚ। ਬਸਹਿ = ਵੱਸਦੇ ਹਨ (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਜੀ)। ਮੁਰਾਰਿ = (ਮੁਰ-ਅਰਿ) ਮੁਰ ਦੈਂਤ ਦਾ ਵੈਰੀ, ਪ੍ਰਭੂ। ਜ਼ੱਰੇ ਜ਼ੱਰੇ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਸ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। (Prof. Sahib Singh Darpan)

    In the Sikhi culture, thanks to the kathavaachacks, ragis and the so called scholars ਰੋਮ is translated into Hair which is totally false. ਰੋਮ means pore/s not hair. All of us have pores on our bodies. In fact our skin is like a sieve. Many of us have hair sprouting out of our pores but not all pores are hairy. This is an important distinction that we as Sikhs should grasp because we are taught the incorrect/wrong meaning.

    It is a common saying by many which include the ones who have taken Khandei di pahul, which is,ਰੋਮਾਂ di be bedbhi nahin karni, eh kurhaith hai”- One should not pluck, trim, shave one’s bodily hair. It is a dishonour. This excludes Kesh on our heads, hence the distinction.

    The above actually means is that one should not mess with one's hairy pores. Just leave them the way they are.

    Coming back to the behavioural metamorphosis, one can start with Kesh which is a very visible change but should not hide the real things we want to improve in ourselves which are invisible to the naked eye although it is a great start.

    In other words, one can enter into the lift, press the button of the floor one wants to go to, but when one reaches there, and then one has to step out of it to go further where one wants to go.

    So, just being a Keshadhari is like reaching the floor but not stepping out of the lift.

    Thanks for the great question. You made me dig deeper.:)

    Regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Sat sri akaal Justin ji
    one who keep kesh is a Keshadhari Sikh .
    dear take your time until you feel urge from within . kesh gave spiritual(saintly) and manly(soldier) identity to Khalsa .


    blessings..
     
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    Dear all,

    Gurfateh,

    Thank you all so much for your responses! Many of them were very encouraging. And, just so everyone knows, I am not using Sehajdhari as an act of escapism. I don't smoke, drink alcohol or use any other intoxicants. My parents raised me not to do these things, although my mom drinks a glass of wine or 2 on New Year's Eve. It is very easy for me to not do these things. Not just my upbringing, but the way I view these substances is in a very negative light. I think they're just disgusting, not to mention the health risks. I do take Sikhi very seriously.

    Kind Regards,

    Justin
     
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    And poutine. Mustn't forget poutine!
     
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    I used to think cheese and onion crisps were disgusting, now I realise that they are just not for me :)
     
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    Gyani ji

    Please forgive my simple mind. I'm having trouble making the distinction between the sarcasm and true points in your posts. Are you serious in the above or...?

    Many thanks
     
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    Ishna Bhen ji....
    a thousand apologies....sometimes me too gets confused by me own posts...
    Seriosuly though i am not being sarcastic...lots of "Sikhs" actually store the kesh that come out in the comb...and then cremate them.. my dad used to make a huge rope out of the hair daily combed out from all our jooras and gutts...and then cremate the pile once a month....its personal...not Maryada....just like many sikhs wouldnt step on a page of Gurmukhi writing even if its not Gurbani..or use a gurmukhi pamphlet to wrap food in etc etc..its all personal..not really a compulsroy maryada..just what oen feels right about..
    ( Actually hair all over the floor..are a real mess..those in the Bath can clog up the sewerage system...so its WISE to keep them separate from trash...!!!)
     
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    In India, I remember having little string sacks made out from some beautiful left over material of the ladies' Salwaar, Kameez suits hanging from our dressing tables where we used to put our combed out hair in. It used to be or still is in some households more a kind of a tradition.

    I have not seen these things for a long time. I call this evolution in Sikhi psyche. We shed hair all the times. Our showers get clogged with hair and we have no way of catching each hair while washing it. So, we unclog our drains when needed.

    For me it has no value anymore, perhaps because I have lost the meaningfulness of the tradition. It seems kind of "idol worshiping" of only some kind of hair not all on our body to me. I apologise if my comment has offended anyone.

    Having said all this, I have seen many Sikhs especially the AKJ kind (some of them are my own family), while scratching their beards, if a hair or two fall off, they put it in their pockets. I have no idea what happens next. I would never dare to check into their closets with pocketfuls of the curlys. I have never been invited to any hair cremation ceremony in their houses with some sumptuous langar after the all night jagrans (a hindutva ritual), lovingly named Rehansabahis by the lot.

    Tejwant Singh
     
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