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Sanatan Sikhi Jhatka and Nihangs

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    This thread is with respect to this Pic http://www.sikhismguide.com/hm9.html

    This pic makes me feel sick. Sikhs dont eat meat?
    Nihangs are also Amritdhaari's? On what grounds they can justify this.

    Anyone having more clear views on Nihangs, please help me to understand them better.
     
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    I think Nihang Sikhs are Sikhs who believe killing animals will give them moksha... load of rubbish in my opinion.


    However - Sikhs can eat as it is NOWHERE strictly prohibited in Sikh scriptures. I am yet to see where a Sikh scripture says "eating meat is wrong".
     
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    Fateh jio

    i think that Nihangs believe that its ok to eat me as long as it isnt halal, and she u can see in the really desturbing picture they animal was killed instantly (jhatka) soo i guess they do not see anything wrong with it...

    Fateh jio
     
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    Ek Oankar Akal Sahai,

    On this issue Nihungs and Kala Afghana are on the same side.Yes Nihungs do Jhatka and Das also has done it.In his book maans maans kar Murkah Jhagre he did mentions about Budh dal.

    Das is not supporting Kala Afghana Sahib otherwise as Das is ready with one antidote to his saying Vichitar Natak is not as per Gurmat.Today das would have pasted it but oculd not get time as Das was busy with one muslim brother ,who wrote ill of Panth.Kala Afghana Sahib can be treated some other day.

    coming back to another reason for Das not agreeing to Kala Afghana Sahib is regarding his adverse comments towards Damdami Taksal,a university,Set by Guru himself.So brother Plamba will give an incite for book by Kala Afghan Ji regarding Meating eating being supported in Adi Guru Darbar.


    Regarding Dasham Guru Darbar,in Vachitar Natak Guru himselfs writes of hunting ungulates.

    There are still many posts about the one which tells about meat for or against.

    Coming bach to Nihungs,In the book of Suraj Prakash by Chura mani Kavi Santookh singh Ji or writing of bhai veer singh Ji(Both have Taksali connection) meat is not a tobbo for Sikhs.Being Amritdhari as per Akal Takhat also eating meat is OK but eating Halal is not OK but in nihungs even use of Alchohal ,opium or cannbis are not forbbiddan and that like a medicine.

    Coming again for meat issue,There are many types of Gurmat Yogis posture for which there is a deit code.As per it only light food is to be taken.This means rich diet like peanut,dry fruit ,greasy food,oily food is to avoided,And meat is one of that.So in that type of way only meat is forbiddan.

    A Sikh ,who is above Lakh Chaurais is above sins(PaaP) and good deeds(punya) as they doen by human beings but in truth it is God who does all.So meat is not allowed in many a part of Sikhs just as any other veg food to control deit for some yogic work thats it and thats all.but there is no sin or good deeds attach to it.A Khalsa is above this and anyone who is still bothered with it is yet to be Khalsa.

    Das only wanted to tell you all to NOT to read the book of JS Talwara,why kill Checken ,rahter read it but annalyses it and it apperas to be bundles of logic that jains use.like seeds or vegitations are devoid of life.It is against Gurubani.gurbani talks of life and not of active or non active.This means that a person who cannot mve should be killed?

    Eating vegtable is like sleeping with wife while eating meat is like sleeping with {censored word, do not repeat.}.So this means that wife is not alive and {censored word, do not repeat.} has a life?

    Das is only doing work on two whcih he did not do yet which are the verse Talwara has misquoted
    rwmklI mhlw 4 ] (881-13)
    raamkalee mehlaa 4.
    Raamkalee, Fourth Mehl:

    jy vf Bwg hovih vf myry jn imlidAw iFl n lweIAY ] (881-13, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    jay vad bhaag hoveh vad mayray jan mildi-aaN dhil na laa-ee-ai.
    If I am blessed with supreme high destiny, I will meet the humble servants of the Lord, without delay.

    hir jn AMimRq kuMt sr nIky vfBwgI iqqu nwvweIAY ]1] (881-14, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    har jan amrit kunt sar neekay vadbhaagee {censored word, do not repeat.} naavaa-ee-ai. ||1||
    The Lord's humble servants are pools of ambrosial nectar; by great good fortune, one bathes in them. ||1||

    rwm mo kau hir jn kwrY lweIAY ] (881-15, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    raam mo ka-o har jan kaarai laa-ee-ai.
    O Lord, let me work for the humble servants of the Lord.

    hau pwxI pKw pIsau sMq AwgY pg mil mil DUir muiK lweIAY ]1] rhwau ] (881-15, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    ha-o paanee pakhaa peesa-o sant aagai pag mal mal Dhoor mukh laa-ee-ai. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    I carry water, wave the fan and grind the corn for them; I massage and wash their feet. I apply the dust of their feet to my forehead. ||1||Pause||

    hir jn vfy vfy vf aUcy jo sqgur myil imlweIAY ] (881-16, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    har jan vaday vaday vad oochay jo satgur mayl milaa-ee-ai.
    The Lord's humble servants are great, very great, the greatest and most exalted; they lead us to meet the True Guru.

    sqgur jyvfu Avru n koeI imil sqgur purK iDAweIAY ]2] (881-16, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    satgur jayvad avar na ko-ee mil satgur purakh Dhi-aa-ee-ai. ||2||
    No one else is as great as the True Guru; meeting the True Guru, I meditate on the Lord, the Primal Being. ||2||

    sqgur srix pry iqn pwieAw myry Twkur lwj rKweIAY ] (881-17, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    satgur saran paray tin paa-i-aa mayray thaakur laaj rakhaa-ee-ai.
    Those who seek the Sanctuary of the True Guru find the Lord. My Lord and Master saves their honor.

    ieik ApxY suAwie Awie bhih gur AwgY ijau bgul smwiD lgweIAY ]3] (881-18, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    ik apnai su-aa-ay aa-ay baheh gur aagai ji-o bagul samaaDh lagaa-ee-ai. ||3||
    Some come for their own purposes, and sit before the Guru; they pretend to be in Samaadhi, like storks with their eyes closed. ||3||

    bgulw kwg nIc kI sMgiq jwie krMg ibKU muiK lweIAY ] (881-18, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    bagulaa kaag neech kee sangat jaa-ay karang bikhoo mukh laa-ee-ai.
    Associating with the wretched and the lowly, like the stork and the crow, is like feeding on a carcass of poison.

    nwnk myil myil pRB sMgiq imil sMgiq hMsu krweIAY ]4]4] (881-19, rwmklI, mÚ 4)
    naanak mayl mayl parabh sangat mil sangat hans karaa-ee-ai. ||4||4||
    Nanak: O God, unite me with the Sangat, the Congregation. United with the Sangat, I will become a swan. ||4||4||


    here look at the second last line above.It is stateing that actually doing any sort of shamming with Guru is like eating of Filthy carcass by eagert or crow.Eagert(Bgula) also eats veg food.so does it makes veg food unedible.

    Karang means carcass taken as whole and Vikh means poison or filth(Vishtha) so crows do eat such thing which man does not eat.It is more giving by Example Guru Ji are stateing us to not to Shame in front of Guru and any attempt to drag it to ritualism is anti Gurmat.

    Karnag Bikh or Filthy/poisionous Carcass does not represent meat but dead animal eaten by birds but that birds are also not bad but realy bad is who shams.

    Second
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    <> siqgur pRswid ] (723-13)
    ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.
    One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

    Kwk nUr krdM Awlm dunIAwie ] (723-13, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    khaak noor kardaN aalam dunee-aa-ay.
    The Lord infused His Light into the dust, and created the world, the universe.

    Asmwn ijmI drKq Awb pYdwieis Kudwie ]1] (723-14, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    asmaan jimee darkhat aab paidaa-is khudaa-ay. ||1||
    The sky, the earth, the trees, and the water - all are the Creation of the Lord. ||1||

    bMdy csm dIdM Pnwie ] (723-14, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    banday chasam deedaN fanaa-ay.
    O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish.

    dunˆØIAw murdwr KurdnI gwPl hvwie ] rhwau ] (723-14, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    duneeN-aa murdaar khurdanee gaafal havaa-ay. rahaa-o.
    The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ||Pause||

    (So here being oblivious to God is actual eating of Dead,it is mark of poor social staus but used here for spritual purposes)

    gYbwn hYvwn hrwm kusqnI murdwr bKorwie ] (723-15, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    gaibaan haivaan haraam kustanee murdaar bakhoraa-ay.
    Like a goblin, or a beast,Forbiddan, they kill and eat the carcasses.

    Here man is termed as ghost,Beast,Haram(forbiddan),Killing(Kustan(is mazdar of Farsi stand s for to kill while Kustani is for killing) and so man is
    like ghost,beast,they carry out killing,which is forbbiddan and that is like eating of dead. or to be more clear (if) killing (any one without reason) is Forbiiddan and let that person eat Dead.

    as eating means Khurdan in farsi,To order ie Sitak e Amal we use bi in front of second person.

    So to order one person to eat like (hey) you Eat! ie Bikhore and to more then one Bikhoreed.

    So Guru is only telling to desisit from senseless killing else killing is not forbbiddan as it is said in Japu Ji Sahib

    innumerable thraot cutter earn killing.. says lowly(Self humbleness Nanak) , I Can not be sacrifise to You(God as nothing even my body is not mine so how can i give it you as it is your oh God) even for once,what ever you do ,that it is good deed(This means evil deeds are done by God and they also have a good result ultimately like Jesus was crusified for good by will of God),you are always intact formless(God)Japu Ji Sahib.

    idl kbj kbjw kwdro dojk sjwie ]2] (723-15, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    dil kabaj kabjaa kaadro dojak sajaa-ay. ||2||
    So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell. ||2||

    vlI inAwmiq ibrwdrw drbwr imlk Kwnwie ] (723-16, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    valee ni-aamat biraadaraa darbaar milak khaanaa-ay.
    Your benefactors, presents, companions, courts, lands and homes

    jb AjrweIlu bsqnI qb ic kwry ibdwie ]3] (723-16, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    jab ajraa-eel bastanee tab chay kaaray bidaa-ay. ||3||
    - when Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death seizes you, what good will these be to you then? ||3||

    hvwl mwlUmu krdM pwk Alwh ] (723-17, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    havaal maaloom kardaN paak alaah.
    The Pure Lord God knows your condition.

    bugo nwnk Ardwis pyis drvys bMdwh ]4]1] (723-17, iqlµg, mÚ 5)
    bugo naanak ardaas pays darvays bandaah. ||4||1||
    O Nanak, recite your prayer to the holy people. ||4||1||

    As per Panth Prakash of Rattan Singh Bhangu,Eating murdar(dead) was forbiddan in Sikhs so the people who eat dead are not treated equally even by Nihungs of Malwa but still Gurbani says that Murdar is doing wrong Das is givneing verse which has both term meat and dead in it.
    isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ] (15-9)
    sireeraag mehlaa 1.
    Siree Raag, First Mehl:

    lbu kuqw kUVu cUhVw Tig KwDw murdwru ] (15-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar.
    Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.

    pr inMdw pr mlu muK suDI Agin k®oDu cMfwlu ] (15-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    par nindaa par mal mukh suDhee agan kroDh chandaal.
    Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium.

    rs ks Awpu slwhxw ey krm myry krqwr ]1] (15-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    ras kas aap salaahnaa ay karam mayray kartaar. ||1||
    I am caught in these tastes and flavors, and in self-conceited praise. These are my actions, O my Creator! ||1||

    bwbw bolIAY piq hoie ] (15-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    baabaa bolee-ai pat ho-ay.
    O Baba, speak only that which will bring you honor.

    aUqm sy dir aUqm khIAih nIc krm bih roie ]1] rhwau ] (15-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    ootam say dar ootam kahee-ahi neech karam bahi ro-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    They alone are good, who are judged good at the Lord's Door. Those with bad karma can only sit and weep. ||1||Pause||

    rsu suienw rsu rupw kwmix rsu prml kI vwsu ] (15-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    ras su-inaa ras rupaa kaaman ras parmal kee vaas.
    The pleasures of gold and silver, the pleasures of women, the pleasure of the fragrance of sandalwood,

    rsu GoVy rsu syjw mMdr rsu mITw rsu mwsu ] (15-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    ras ghorhay ras sayjaa mandar ras meethaa ras maas.
    the pleasure of horses, the pleasure of a soft bed in a palace, the pleasure of sweet treats and the pleasure of meat.

    eyqy rs srIr ky kY Git nwm invwsu ]2] (15-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    aytay ras sareer kay kai ghat naam nivaas. ||2||
    -these pleasures of the human body are so numerous; how can the Naam, the Name of the Lord, find its dwelling in the heart? ||2||

    ijqu boilAY piq pweIAY so boilAw prvwxu ] (15-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    jit boli-ai pat paa-ee-ai so boli-aa parvaan.
    Those words are acceptable, which, when spoken, bring honor.

    iPkw boil ivgucxw suix mUrK mn Ajwx ] (15-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    fikaa bol viguchnaa sun moorakh man ajaan.
    Harsh words bring only grief. Listen, O foolish and ignorant mind!

    jo iqsu Bwvih sy Bly hoir ik khx vKwx ]3] (15-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    jo tis bhaaveh say bhalay hor ke kahan vakhaan. ||3||
    Those who are pleasing to Him are good. What else is there to be said? ||3||

    iqn miq iqn piq iqn Dnu plY ijn ihrdY rihAw smwie ] (15-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    tin mat tin pat tin Dhan palai jin hirdai rahi-aa samaa-ay.
    Wisdom, honor and wealth are in the laps of those whose hearts remain permeated with the Lord.

    iqn kw ikAw swlwhxw Avr suAwilau kwie ] (15-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    tin kaa ki-aa salaahnaa avar su-aali-o kaa-ay.
    What praise can be offered to them? What other adornments can be bestowed upon them?

    nwnk ndrI bwhry rwcih dwin n nwie ]4]4] (15-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
    naanak nadree baahray raacheh daan na naa-ay. ||4||4||
    O Nanak, those who lack the Lord's Glance of Grace cherish neither charity nor the Lord's Name. ||4||4||

    why Das is annyed with Talwara Sahib is that if Sikhs have not to kill the living beings then this means that all People who killed and died to get Khalsa Raj were sinners or Papi or when say das may kill an enemy in battle field then das is a sinner.

    Coming to AKJ,Das knows that Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh Ji were Brahm Gyani.Some of his writings were his before becoming Brah Gyani,Before his departure to Sach Khand we even did an edition of Dasham Granth Ji.It was without Hiqayats and Triya Chritars as they were complex so he was to do a research on it but he did not live long to complete it.Anyway his way of getting Brahm Gyan passes via strict code of conduct.It means lots of rituals and strict discipline and this includes the tendency of not taking meat(a Rajsik or Matterialistic food).his way is correct and when many AKJ people obtain Brahm Gyan via this way that also is OK BUT

    This does not means that other Sikhs are not knowing the truth or they can not reach Akal.As Akal by self chooses us all,whom so ever he wants to give salvation.This can be stone worshipper Dhanna or meat eating Shams Tabreez or Shek Farid Sahib.

    so to see how Jhtaka is done and fact about it visit the site below
    http://www.shastarvidiya.org/htmls/chatka_introduction.html

    Das here also want to put another view of his that being from Nirmala side to his type in general eating meat is forbbiddan but in some profession and to one who live in household life it is allowed.

    Das did undergo some class of Martial arts from Budha Dal and understand there views.

    Das keeps on discussing many a matters with Reformers or missioanries of Kala Afghana type and in fact many views regarding opposition to ritualism in daily life are same as per as Nihungs and Kala Afghana side are concerend

    But Lastly Das also wants to say that Das have many friends who are from AKJ and they are better then his brothers.And Das also understand them as better Sikh then Das himself.And AKJ as heart of Sikh Panth.

    But by meat eating Das does not think that a person is no longer a Sikh.It is true with Halal meat but not with other meats.
     
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    Ek Oankar Akal Sahai
    gaibaan haivaan haraam kustanee murdaar bakhoraa-ay.
    Like a goblin, or a beast,Forbiddan, they kill and eat the carcasses

    Das can explain it better now.As he had to re study Grammer book of modern Farsi for that.

    It is from old farsi or Kadeemee Farsi

    Like Iran is a noun and after adding ee or i we make Irani an adjective.

    so by adding kustan also a tpye of noun meaning kiling with ee we make an adjective kustanee or killer.

    So it must be read as such.

    (oh) Ghost(!) (Oh) beast (!) Forbiidan killer(Go and) Eat dead(its an order).

    So as yet eating is not done.And no killing of animal is done but a killer who do senseless killling which is forbbidan is eqauted with animal or ghost and his deeds are equal to eating dead.
     
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    "Only fools argue whether to eat meat or not. They don't understand truth nor do they meditate on it. Who can define what is meat and what is plant? Who knows where the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non-vegetarian?"
     
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    Amerikaur:

    I'm glad someone finally quoted Asa Di Var! I thought the very same thing when I saw this question.

    Thank-you Amerikaur and welcome to SPN. I look forward to discussions with you in the future.
     
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    For some reason we have deviated from the initial topic of discussion!
     
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    Thank you so much for the warm welcome, Ravi Singh ji!

    I am also looking forward to discussions with you. I appreciate the welcome onboard.
     
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    Caramel Chocolate,

    I don't believe we have deivated from the topic. My initial understanding of the question led me to believe that the poster felt that the repulsive thing was: 1)Sikhs especially Amritshari ones should not eat meat --this is incorrect as you and Amerikaur have pointed out 2)If nihangs are amritdharis they should not eat meat --again incorrect given the above 3)What are the nihangs.

    Amerikaur and myself dealt with 1 and 2 and not 3. I can give brief thoughts on 3: Nihangs consider themselves the army of Akal Purakh (god) and the guardians of gurdwaras; they hold several unique traditions among sikhs (they only eat out of cast iron, they only eat animals that they have killed instantly by beheading, the ritual use of marijuana; etc. They have kept intact many practices that date back to the times of the gurus. They consider themselves the "true" khalsa whereas others are not --this does not mean that they impose their views on others in fact they are very tolerant. Many people mistakenly call anyone who wears a particular style of dastar a nihang --this is incorrect.

    Personally, I do not find their practices to be objectionable.

    If anyone would like to find out more info about this group this site has some information on them:

    http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/sikh_akali1.html
     
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    Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

    Das only wants to clarify another thing ie

    Maas Maas Kar Murakh Jhagre is from Malar Di/Ki Var and not Asa Di Var.

    Das was not doing querel but was a bit annyoed by the fact that often Nihungs are taken in wrong light like many other Sikhs just for thier eating meat.Whiile often veggies are more ritualistics ,which mqay not be as per our Faith.

    Those veggi Sikhs are good who respect meat eating Sikhs and do not look on them with an eye of uneqality.Das can respect veggy and treat them as equal.what problem do they have?

    Saying by some late great person can be of lesser importance then Adi Guru Darbar(Darbar means court of king and Granth is house of God,Pothis parmeshwar Ka Thawn).

    Problem is with some pro Khalistanis who support veggitarianism.Das does not support anti Indian or anti hindu views.But theses khalistanis whithout eating meat or coming out of anti Gurmat retualism das find it very diffeicult that they can acheive thier goal.

    Then they must not talk of miracles as x person was having this thing or that thing.Bullet does not see miracle and kills.Miracle to fight bullet to is to use bullet on person fireing at you.That makes the concept of violence to survive.Or to eat.
     
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    why is there any argument whether we are aloud to eat chatka meat or not. Look in the sikh reyat maryada it clearly states sikhs are prohibited from eating halal meat. Why do we have question on issues like these when there is a sikh reyat maryada. It is a privalige the gursikhs have around the world but there are limited people taking advantage of this privilige. yet we are sill having discussions on these issues.
     
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    Gurfateh

    Some claim that "chatka" (swift slaughter) is allowed in the Sikh diet. In the whole of the Guru Granth Sahib where is there the mention of the word Chatka?

    Even if chatka was acceptable how would one chatka an egg? How would chatka be performed on a fish? A fish dies painfully as soon as it is out of water!

    Religion(Dharam) is born out of Compassion(Deya). If you have ever seen how an animal fights for it's life during slaughter then where is the compassion in that?

    Guru Nanak Ji ,in his ten guru roops , performed many actions that have been recorded in history. Historical Gurdwaras have been erected to mark Guru Ji's achievments. Is there a historical Gurdwara "Chatka Sahib" anywhere?

    WJKWJF
     
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    I'd just like to point out that the eggs that we eat are actualy unfertilised, which means that there is no life in them to slaugther.

    As to the meat eating thing, *sheesh* how many time are us Sikhs going to go over that?

    Ask yourselves this question. Where did this to eat or not to eat meat come from? Is it a remnant of Hindu faith, of Hindu culture, we Sikhs have no precedant to even ask the question. It has nothing to do with Sikhi.

    I guess the ideal thing to do would be to strive to become Khalsa, and once in touch with God more fully, then wait until God tells you what to eat, and what not to eat. Otherwise it is all worthless dogma and ritual, one of the many reasons that Guru Ji founded this path.

    Whern indugling in ritual, ask your selves what is the point of this, if you find no point then forget about it.

    So how does the ritual abstiance of meat bring one closer to God? The answer is, it does not. In fact as Amerikaur so rightly says only fools argue about it.

    What does bring you closer to God?

    Simran & Seva, and the closenes of the sadh sangat.
    This is all you need remember, anything else is meaningless.

    Cheers,

    lee.
     
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    Jhatka or Chatka (from Hindi jhatkā झटका, Punjabi: ਝਟਕਾ literally, killed with a jerk, or hacked) meat, is meat from an animal which has been killed by a single strike of a sword or axe to sever the head,[1] as opposed to Jewish kosher or Islamic halal in which the animal is killed by ritually slicing the throat.Snatan Shastar Vidya defines Jhatka as "Chatka' - Corrupted from Sanskrit word 'Jhatakarakh'. A sudden shake, a jerk; cutting of the head of an animal at a stroke with a sword, the meat of such an animal which alone is lawful for Sikhs or Rajputs".[2] This kills the animal immediately because the spinal cord is severed, and the blood flow to the brain is stopped almost instantly, causing brain death within seconds. Therefore the method is adopted as being the less painful to the animal than other methods.
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    Hindus and Jhatka

    Historically and currently, those Hindus who eat meat prescribe jhatka meat.[3] This is the a common method of slaughter if animal sacrifices are made to some Hindu deities, however Vedic rituals such as Agnicayana involved the strangulation of sacrificial goats. Nowadays, due to considerable Vaishnavite influence in Hinduism, as well as the heavy influence of western values and mores among modern Hindus, animal sacrifice is not often practiced within most Hindu sects in cosmopolitan urban areas.

    Jhatka Meat and Sikhs

    Those Sikhs who eat meat are recommended to eat Jhatka meat,[4] as they do not believe any ritual gives meat a spiritual virtue (ennobles the flesh).[5][6] Another reason Sikhs do not eat halal meat is due to determining to change to it being a prerequisite for conversion to Islam. However, there is little availability of jhakta meat in, for instance, the United Kingdom, so families may find themselves eating other types of meat.[7]

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    1. ^ 10 November 2008 (2008-11-10). "YouTube - Hazur sahib jhatka for tilak part1".
    2. ^ Nihang Teja Singh. "Sanatan Sikh Shastar Vidiya - Chatka". Shastarvidiya.org. Sanatan Sikh Shastar Vidiya - Chatka. Retrieved 2009-08-09.
    3. ^ "What is Jhatka?". Indiacurry.com. What is Jhatka?. Retrieved 2009-08-09.
    4. ^ 10 Misconception Regarding Sikhs
    5. ^ Singh, I. J., Sikhs and Sikhism ISBN 8173040583 And one semitic practice clearly rejected in the Sikh code of conduct is eating flesh of an animal cooked in ritualistic manner; this would mean kosher and halal meat. The reason again does not lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the flesh. No ritual, whoever conducts it, is going to do any good either to the animal or to the diner. Let man do what he must to assuage his hunger. If what he gets, he puts to good use and shares with the needy, then it is well used and well spent, otherwise not.
    6. ^ Mini Encyclopaedia of Sikhism by H.S. Singha, Hemkunt Press, Delhi.ISBN 8170102006 The practice of the Gurus is uncertain. Guru Nanak seems to have eaten venison or goat, depending upon different janamsakhi versions of a meal which he cooked at Kurukshetra which evoked the criticism of Brahmins. Guru Amardas ate only rice and lentils but this abstention cannot be regarded as evidence of vegetarianism, only of simple living. Guru Gobind Singh also permitted the eating of meat but he prescribed that it should be Jhatka meat and not Halal meat that is jagged in the Muslim fashion.
    7. ^ [1] Sikh Women in England


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