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Is democracy approved in Sikhism????

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by noor_e_khalsa, May 15, 2008.

  1. noor_e_khalsa

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    Democracy as taught in schools is "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". I am curious to know if democracy type thing is allowed in Sikhism. According to me democratic rule is not a way of Sikh living. Please comment.
     
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    Approved, endorsed and the ideal for SIkhi….how do we know this:

    1) Guru Gobind Singh ji bows to the Panj Pyarey (accepting equality amongst his Sangat), he also accepts consensus or Gurmatta on several occaisions.

    2) Gurmatta - or consensus is a central principle of Sikhi

    3) Guru Granth and Guru Panth - also accepted principles of Sikhi.

    4) Panj Pyarey are (who are chosen to lead community) are elected from the community by the community.

    there are many more examples of this.​
    PS On a side note - Sant Matt groups where a Central Saint is the leader of the organisation eg GNSSJ, Namdhari, Radaoswami, Rarowali etc etc are actually incompatible with Sikh principles because the leaders are unelected.​
     
  4. Harjas Kaur Khalsa

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    Very nice ji. I never thought of the political implications of Gursikhi like that.
     
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    well... think in a different way... in simple words democracy is rule of majority over minority... good people are always less in number bad people form the majority.... bad people rule by democracy......
    -Panj pyare are nominated not elected
    -Gurmatta is concensus on topics pertaining to sikh religion... gurmatta cannot be passed on issues other than sikhism (see Rehat Maryada published by SGPC)....
    -Guru Granth Sahib ji was nominated by the tenth Guru Himself....
    -Guru Panth nominates or select people or rule or solution by its relevance not by majority or minority voting...
    Its a proven fact that whenever the system of majority winning is applied, sinister politics take up the scene... Until the jathedars were selected on their merits and service to Sikhism and mankind, the Sikh thrones (takhats) were a revered place for justice... When election started, jathedars started pleasing everyone to get votes and mandates.... SGPC is corrupt becoz its having election system...
     
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    (On Side note).......Also our Guru jis were never elected....that means sikhism is wrong way of faith becoz it never followed the process of election to elect their leader.... think...
     
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    Yes, this is the most correct view. Sikhi goes against the grain of the fake world, while encompassing the best and highest aspirations, it could never be held hostage to whims of a misguided majority.

    To be honest, while there are many good things in a democratic system, democracy is a political failure as we see the encroaching fascist tendancies to favor the corporate rich and powerful, even to committing atrocities and injustices in the "name of the people."
     
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    Which other better way is there besides democracy? It is flawed, but as of now, it's better than anything else we have had thus far.
     
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    if indeed it actually existed........
     
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    Lottocracy/demarchy (leaders chosen from the population at random) could work quite well if the selection system were computerised and weighted in favour of skilled, well-qualified individuals. But it would only be possible in an advanced, smoothly-functioning society, perhaps one of the Nordic countries.
     
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    Obviously it is permitted, don't look at India's as an example lol
     
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    China's Pseudo communism or whatever you call did and still doing much better than so called democracies

     
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    What is the definition of a "smoothly-functioning society"? What if the people chosen don't want to do it? i recently got picked to some part of some committee at work, and it really ****** me off, cos i didn't want to do it. I think that could backfire.
     
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    China doesn't have a proper legal system. So that's a hefty minus point for me.

    Communism, does have its attractiveness. The best govt, should be comprised of all these different political ideologies. A true mixed economy.
     
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    Of course China has many flaws.Its system may not work in developed nation
    But for many undeveloped and developing nations may be it is more productive than democracy.A poor man does not need how many rights he has on paper. What he needs is government which eradicate his poverty and improve his life standard
     
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    That is true, but once that has been achieved, won't you agree that such a man deserves his "freedom"? Actually, a poor man does not need know his rights, or rather, he wouldn't care, but he's still should be entitled to those rights.
     
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    I don't get politics. I vote for a benevolent dictatorship! But as for the title question, Sikhi is a way of life, it shouldn't have an opinion on a form of government outside of itself.
     
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    If it's a way of life, it must have some opinion? No?
     
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    Sikhi doesn't claim to be everything - religion, legal system, political framework. IMO.
     
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    it should be but its not
     
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    Roopsidhuji,

    could you explain?
     

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