Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

Bhagats In Love with Ignorance: Reflections on the Bani of Guru Ram Das and Sant Ravidas

Discussion in 'History of Sikhism' started by sachkhojacademy@gmail.com, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. sachkhojacademy@gmail.com

    sachkhojacademy@gmail.com
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    3
    ਜਦ ਤਕ ਮਨ ਸੰਤੋਖੀ ਨਹੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ (ਮਰਦਾ ਨਹੀ) ਓਨਾ ਚਿਰ,
    ਪੁਲਿੰਗ (ਮੇਲ, gender) ਹੈ !
    ਇਸਦੇ ਮਾਰਨ ਤੌ ਬਾਅਦ ਬੁਧੀ=ਅਕਲ ਦੀ ਪਰਧਾਨਗੀ ਆ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ,
    ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਜੀਵ ਆਤਮਾ, ਤ੍ਰੀਆ (ਬਿਬੇਕ ਬੁਧੀ ) ਕਹਾਉਂਦੀ ਹੈ !

    ਸਬਦ : ਪੁਲਿੰਗ , male, ਕੰਤ , ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ !

    Surat : ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਲਿੰਗ , female, ਚੇਲਾ , ਤ੍ਰੀਆ ਹੈ !

    Page 342, Line 15
    ਅਲਪ ਸੁਖ ਛਾਡਿ ਪਰਮ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਵਾ ॥
    अलप सुख छाडि परम सुख पावा ॥
    Alap sukẖ cẖẖād param sukẖ pāvā.
    Renouncing the shallow pleasures of the world, she obtains the supreme delight.

    Page 342, Line 15
    ਤਬ ਇਹ ਤ੍ਰੀਅ ਓੁਹੁ ਕੰਤੁ ਕਹਾਵਾ ॥੪੧॥
    तब इह त्रीअ ओहु कंतु कहावा ॥४१॥
    Ŧab ih ṯarī▫a ohu kanṯ kahāvā. ||41||
    Then, she is the soul-bride; He is called her Husband Lord. ||41||

    ਤ੍ਰੀਆ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਬੁਧੀ ਦਾ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਹੈ !
    ਇਹ ਬੁਧੀ ਦੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ !
    ਬੁਧੀ ਦੋ ਤਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ !
    (੧) ਸਦਬੁਧੀ
    (੨) ਕਬੁਧੀ

    ੧) ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ੧੨ ਵਾਰ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ ! ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ ਕਬੁਿਧ!
    ੨) ਤ੍ਰੀਅ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ੧ ਵਾਰ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ ! ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ ਸਬੁਿਧ !
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Loading...

    Similar Threads Forum Date
    SATSANGATlover Joins Sikh Philosophy Network! New SPN'ers Nov 12, 2016
    Do You Believe In Love? Blogs Jun 15, 2016
    Is There A Thin Line Between Love And Hate? Interfaith Dialogues Apr 25, 2016
    Should I Become A Sikh For Love? Relationships Mar 28, 2016
    Interfaith Sikh Santa is Spreading the Festive Love Interfaith Dialogues Dec 20, 2015

  3. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    aschkoacademy@gmail.com ji

    The passage you quote is from Bhagat Kabirji in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. It is part of the acrostic poem/hymn that is very famous. Why have you posted it in the Bachitar Natak section?

    You may be on the road to some interesting comparison of AG and DG, but I can't tell.

    Here is the entire section


    Please post in English -- or I can move the thread to the Punjabi language section of the forum if you like.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh
    Respected Sister,
    Atheist with communist mindset do not understand the deeper meaning of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, so they attack the Bani of Tenth Master.

    Attempt is being made here to decipher the spiritual meaning out of the language of Charitropakhyan, which end with title Triya Charitra.
     
  5. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    I think vijaydeep singh ji you are answering a private message that I sent to you on a public thread posted by another forum member. How is that fair? Please do not do this.
     
  6. Tejwant Singh

    Tejwant Singh United States
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    4,560
    Likes Received:
    6,989
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Vijaydeep Singh ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Once again you are slinging mud on other Sikhs, seekers, learners which shows you own egotism than anything else, which is sad and disappointing.

    It is also sad to notice that you have ignored Narayanjot ji's post for the sake of you own inflated chest, it seems. I hope I am wrong.

    Only Ik Ong Kaar knows which milestone each of us is at. Neither you or myself nor anyone else can find that out.

    So, please STOP playing Ik Ong Kaar. It is very unbecoming on your part.

    Tejwant Singh
     
  7. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh
    Respected Singh Sahib,

    Forgive das for any mistake.

    When terms like touts, Dasam Granthiyas are hurdled, it pains then also, so let the same pain be tased by people who hurdle.


    As yourself are not one of them , then why worry.
    Das has no chest of his own but chest belongs to Guru. What was given above in Punjabi, its comprihension by das was given in there.

    Ek Oankar is in creation but Akal is there before creation, after creation and after creation is destroyed.
     
  8. Tejwant Singh

    Tejwant Singh United States
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    4,560
    Likes Received:
    6,989
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Vijaydeep Singh ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Your post in response to my post has nothing to do with what I said in my post. This has been the norm in almost all your posts. It seems to me that either you do not understand what is being said or you have some blinders on to doggedly pursue one thing which is nothing to do with the teachings in the SGGS, our ONLY GURU.

    Read my post and if you do not understand it, do not feel ashamed to ask questions and then be a true Guru ka Sikh to respond to what you have been asked. Nothing more.

    Regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
  9. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh

    Well das is made up of mud and mud can not washed. This state of human.

    Forgive das if he offended you.

    Das is always surprised to see some of us over reacting with term comrade or atheist ? Is this guilt contentiousness among us ?

    It will take time when Great Sikh of Guru like you will understand the motive of Das. Das will try his best that it is clear to you as soon as possible.

    regards

    ignorant, most corrupt, filthy vd singh
    not worthy to be called as human even.
     
  10. Tejwant Singh

    Tejwant Singh United States
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    4,560
    Likes Received:
    6,989
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Vijaydeep ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Once again you have failed to respond to my post the reasons only known to you. As mentioned before the same trick has been applied in almost all your posts that are posted in this forum.

    Sikhi is based on honesty and personal integrity, not on some meaningless rhetoric.

    Regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
  11. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh
    Das did not read this.

    Anyway again sorry to S. Tejwant Singh Ji.

    This is nothing to do with Das's PM.

    Das wanted to write the meaning comprhended from above.

    It has been told over in first post that Triya means 12 times in Gurbani as Evil intellect and Triya means one time in Gurbani Good/postive intellect .

    Characteristics of Triya Charitar are forcefull charectoristics of mind.

    While on this das wanted to add that term Triya as told by Gyani Balbir Singh Ji (satsatsrikal.com)stand for Thee qualities and Triya Charitar means Akal's showing own charectoristics in three qualities.

    Das stands by what he said about non belivers in capabilities to understand Gurmat Via Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But not directed to any member here as such.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. The Khalsa Fauj

    The Khalsa Fauj
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2006
    Messages:
    315
    Likes Received:
    186
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Tejwant, no need to waste time, some people just don't have the brain to tell difference between 10th Nanak and poet Shyam. Those who have love for duality don't understand. Our Khasam is only Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Those who like others khasams such as porn stories, Gurbani says the following:

    ਖਸਮੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਲਗੇ ਡੁਬੇ ਸੇ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਵਿਰਲੈ ਕਿਨੈ ਵੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੪੭੦}
    Khasam Shod Doojai Lgay Dubay Say Vanjaareaa || Satgur Hai Bohethaa Virlai Kinai Veechaareaa ||<O:p</O:p
    Those who forget the Husband Lord and connect to another are drowned merchants. Satguru, the True Guru, is the ship which carries us across but not many have contemplated.

    You people get called Dasam Granthiyas because you love Dasam Granth. We love Guru Granth Sahib Ji and accept joats of Guru Nanak over poet Shyam so you can call us Nanakvaadis or followers of Nanakian philosophy.
    <O:p</O:p
     
    • Like Like x 3
  13. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Just my thoughts!


    The thread is moved to the section on Bhagats.
     
  14. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh
    Dear Brother TKF Ji,

    Only one request. If you do not like you can kill das when ever you meet him.

    Call S. Tejwant Singh Ji with respect. He is elder to us. Though das is misunderstood by him yet he is gem of a man. So use term Singh with his name.

    Coming to term Nanakwadi.

    As per the statment of spokesman editor, Only Verse related to First Master are valid in Shri Guru Granth Sahib rest is interpolation. This is what his ex buddy Kirpal Singh Batinda writes. So who has a hidden agenda to attack Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Das today posted the stuff but will tranlate the main point and repost them soon.
     
  15. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    das ji

    I am elder to both you and Tejwantji. Don't let that stand in your way. The hour of my death is not up to you or to me.

    Don't say something like that == I can kill you when I meet you. That is not good to say.
     
  16. Tejwant Singh

    Tejwant Singh United States
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    4,560
    Likes Received:
    6,989
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    I am just a kid on the block and intend to remain so till the rest of my life.....
     
    • Like Like x 2
  17. The Khalsa Fauj

    The Khalsa Fauj
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2006
    Messages:
    315
    Likes Received:
    186
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Where is spokesman coming from? It doesn't matter what spokesman believes or does. True Sikhs only have faith on Guru Granth Sahib Ji. They don't need books of poet Shyam to live according to Gurmat. I appologize for not saying Tejwant Singh.

    I don't need to kill you. You already got eaten by Mahakaal.
     
  18. sachkhojacademy@gmail.com

    sachkhojacademy@gmail.com
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    3
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਆਤਮ ਗਿਆਨ, ਬ੍ਰਮਹ ਵਿਦਿਆ ਹੈ ! ਪੰਡਿਤਾ ਜਾਂ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਇਸ ਬ੍ਰਮਹ
    ਵਿਦਿਆ ਨੂੰ ਅਵਿਦਿਆ ਬਣਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਤਾਂ ਤ੍ਰੀਆ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਜਾਂ ਨਾਰੀ ਵੀ ਮੰਨਿਆ
    ਗਇਆ !

    Page 486, Line 7
    ਮਾਧੋ ਅਬਿਦਿਆ ਹਿਤ ਕੀਨ ॥
    माधो अबिदिआ हित कीन ॥
    Māḏẖo abiḏi▫ā hiṯ kīn.
    O Lord, he is in love with ignorance.

    ਬਿਬੇਕ ਦੀਪ ਮਲੀਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    बिबेक दीप मलीन ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Bibek ḏīp malīn. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    His lamp of clear wisdom has grown dim. ||1||Pause||
    Devotee ਰਵਿਦਾਸ

    ਜਿਵੇ :-
    ਚਰਨ : ਪੈਰ
    ਕਰ : ਹੱਥ
    ਨੇਤਰ : ਅੱਖਾ
    ਸਰਵਣ : ਕੰਨ ਆਦਿ
    ਮੰਨ ਲਏ ਗਏ ਓਸੇ ਤਰਾਂ ਤ੍ਰੀਆ ਨੂੰ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਵੀ ਮੰਨ ਲਿਆ ਗਇਆ ਪਰ ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲ ਫੁਰਮਾਨ
    ਹੈ,

    Page 102, Line 3
    ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਘਰ ਮਹਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
    सभ किछु घर महि बाहरि नाही ॥
    Sabẖ kicẖẖ gẖar mėh bāhar nāhī.
    Everything is within the home of the self; there is nothing beyond.

    ਬਾਹਰਿ ਟੋਲੈ ਸੋ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਹੀ ॥
    बाहरि टोलै सो भरमि भुलाही ॥
    Bāhar tolai so bẖaram bẖulāhī.
    One who searches outside is deluded by doubt.

    ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਸੋ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਸੁਹੇਲਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
    गुर परसादी जिनी अंतरि पाइआ सो अंतरि बाहरि सुहेला जीउ ॥१॥
    Gur parsādī jinī anṯar pā▫i▫ā so anṯar bāhar suhelā jī▫o. ||1||
    By Guru's Grace, one who has found the Lord within is happy, inwardly
    and outwardly. ||1||

    ਭਾਵੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਬਾਹਰਲੇ ਅਰਥ ਵੀ ਬਣ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਨੇ ਪਰ ਬਾਹਰਲੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਨਹੀ !

    ਜਿਵੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ,
    ਸੂਰਜ, ਚੰਦ, ਤੀਰਥ, ਸਤਗੁਰ, ਸਮੁੰਦਰ, ਦਰਿਆ, ਆਦਿ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਤਾਂ ਬਾਹਰਲੇ ਨੇ ਪਰ ਅਸੀਂ ਅੰਦਰਲੇ ਅਰਥ ਹੀ
    ਲਵਾਂਗੇ ਕਿਓਂਕਿ ਬਾਹਰਲੇ ਅਰਥ ਕੱਚੇ ਤੇ ਅੰਦਰਲੇ ਅਰਥ ਪੱਕੇ (ਨਿਰਾਕਾਰੀ) ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ !



    pl visit:
    ::: SachKhoj Academy, Punjab :::

    :welcome:
     
  19. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    This is really nice - and I visited that web site. Why not ask Nihang Dharam Singh to post here -- unless that is you.

    It is a pity that someone like me cannot understand eveyrthing you have on the site or above.

    Thanks for posting the Ang and the English for the tuks. Sat Nam ji
     
  20. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ 1:

    Gurfateh
    "you" of das or "i" of das is eaten by Mahakal.

    Das will not die again, as death of das is dead, killed by death of death ie Mahakal.

    Das is sorry for writing anything in emotions.
     
  21. The Khalsa Fauj

    The Khalsa Fauj
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2006
    Messages:
    315
    Likes Received:
    186
    Mahakaal itself is spiritual death. Spiritual death doesn't eat spiritual death. It only increases the level of spiritual death. I see that you have an agenda to misinform and mislead the Sikhs here. Don't try to be clever. It won't work with me.

    God saves us from Mahakaal so mahakaal is clearly spiritual death and nothing better. It is pathetic and dishonest to interpret Mahakaal as God. ​

    Read quote again:​

    ਜਪਿ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਗੋਪਾਲ ਲਾਲੁ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਤੂ ਜੀਵਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਨ ਖਾਈ ਮਹਾਕਾਲੁ ॥ ੧॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੮੮੫}
    Jup Gobind Gopaal Laal || Raam Naam Simar Too Jeevhe Fir Na Khaaee Mahakaal || 1|
    Meditate on the beloved master of the universe; He is the provider of the world. Live by remembering God’s name in your heart and you shall not be devoured by Mahakaal (great death). 1.

    Is there you in above quote? Yes, there is. What are you going to do about the you in Gurbani? Vijaydeep, you can only twist meanings of things so much and try to be clever so much that you fall into trap. Above quote is clearly talking about the person and not about killing I. I dies when maayaa takes or I dies when Gurmat takes over. When maayaa takes over, it is Mahakaal which is spiritual death and when it is Gurmat, it is death of maayaa.

    Also, if you in above quote is God and Mahakaal is also God. God won't eat God? Do you ever think if you ever make sense or does claiming to be from low caste give you freedom to speak as falsehood as you like? By the way, there is no caste system in the Sikh faith. People like you, who keep on claiming to look at things based on caste, bring in the caste system.
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page