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If the rivers became cows

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  1. drkhalsa

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    AMg 141​
    ang 141
    Page 141
    sloku mÚ 1 ]​
    sul​
    ok mu 1
    Shalok, First Mehl:

    ndIAw hovih Dyxvw suMm hovih duDu GIau ]​
    nudh​
    eeaa hovehi dhaenuvaa sunm hovehi dhudh gheeo
    If the rivers became cows, giving milk, and the spring water became milk and ghee;

    sglI DrqI skr hovY KusI kry inq jIau ]​
    sugul​
    ee dhuruthee sukur hovai khusee kurae nith jeeo
    If all the earth became sugar, to continually excite the mind;

    prbqu suienw rupw hovY hIry lwl jVwau ]​
    purubuth s​
    ueinaa rupaa hovai heerae laal jurraao
    if the mountains became gold and silver, studded with gems and jewels

    BI qUMhY swlwhxw AwKx lhY n cwau ]1]​
    bh​
    ee thoonhai saalaahunaa aakhun lehai n chaao
    -even then, I would worship and adore You, and my longing to chant Your Praises would not decrease. ||1||




    sorry for the Title Just wanted some attention

    I came across this beautiful shabad would like to know your views about it


    Jatinder Singh
     
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    I am led to beleive that Guru Nanak Ji gave this reply when someone said that if "we all started to naam japp then who would do the ordinary jobs in the world". Guru Ji stated that if everyone was to do naam japp then rivers become milk,the land becomes sweet,the mountains become gold & precious.

    The point Guru Ji was making was that the world is not dependant on man but rather dependant on God the creator. Man does not have the capability to sustain the world but God does.


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    Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.

    This Slok must not be read in isolation. If we read it in association with the Preceeding bani on the same Page 141... we will find that Guru ji is discussing How difficult it is to be a GOOD MUSLIM...and a Good KING/RULER.

    The Kings and Rulers of the day were Muslims.

    It is commonly beleived that in the "Muslim Heaven"... Rivers of Honey and Wine are said to flow, Beautiful Maidens roam by the thousands to serve the men, and palaces of GOLD and riches are there... ( EVERYTHING that ordinary "men" cannot or FAIL to get here on EARTH while ALIVE...is "PROMISED" in this Heaven/Behshast !!)...a Fat JUICY CARROT if there ever was one dangled before anyone !!!....alas such a "carrot" holds no value whatsoever to a SIKh of GURU NANAK...

    Guru Ji is giving HIS SIDE of this ... by declaring even IF all rives begin to Flow with Milk ( and HONEY !!)...and the Mountains and Hills all become made of GOLD and JEWELS...the ONLY thing GURU JI is really interested in is AKAL PURAKH ONLY..and to SING His PRAISES. In other words SIKHS are NOT INTERESTED in such "wealth' and ...such "promises"....??? Only the PRAISE of WAHEGURU supercedes all this..and thats what we aspire towards...ALl the time.

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    Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.

    I dont know where veer ji got this quote from... BUT we are ALL REQUIRED to NAAM JAPP..as per GURBANI's instructions. SO there is NO QUESTION of "IF" as stated in the quote above.

    Guru Ji came to this Earth with the SOLE OBJECTIVE of getting all of us to naam japp...and since we can all see that there are NO RIVERS of MILK anywhere, and neither are there any mountains of GOLD and Jewels.. that would mean that not "enough" people are nam japping ??? and when this FIGURE reaches the correct number..all RIVERS will turn to MILK Overnight ?? Gurbani says no such thing.

    Please read my previous message also.

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    'I am led to beleive that Guru Nanak Ji gave this reply when someone said that if "we all started to naam japp then who would do the ordinary jobs in the world". Guru Ji stated that if everyone was to do naam japp then rivers become milk,the land becomes sweet,the mountains become gold & precious."...

    WE MUST ALSO not FORGET THAT A sikh OF GURU NANAK JI IS not JUST A "NAAM JAPPING" monk WHO DOESNT DO ANY WORLDY JOBS !!!


    far from it, Guru nanak ji HIMSELF was a Hard working FARMER, who planted crops, cut grass to feed his animals..and did all thsoe daily chores of a farmer..while Naam japping !! Guru ji gave us THREE hukms..Kirt karo, Wand Chhako, naam jappo. Kirt Karo is HONEST LABOUR !!! Then we must SHARE the Fruits of this Honest Labour...and then only comes Naam japp.

    ALL those "SANTS" and derawallhs who sit around their deras being "naam japping....and nothing else.. are in DIRECT CONFLICT with Guru Jis FIRST HUKM of KIRT KARO....and IF they DONT have KIRT KARO..they have NOTHING to WAAND CHHAKO...thus they FAIL the second HUKM as well.

    IF someone were to "point" a finger at GURU SAHIBBANS and say..Guru Ji also did Naam japp just like these SANTS..I would say..Guru JI all had NORMAL KIRT JOBS.... Guru nanak ji was a FARMER, SHOPKEEPER, STORE KEEPER.. Guru Angad Ji Guru Amardass ji supported their selves by making ropes and selling those in the market to earn honest income etc etc. Further more GURU SAHIBS came Direct from AKAL PURAKH and are not the same as these human Sants...after all Guru Ji has made us SANT-SIPAHI..and not just sant alone. Sipahi means a WORKER also...who fights vikaars, does honest labour, earns a honest living...etc etc.

    Gurbani at many places shames those who just do "naam japp" and then go to Grishtee homes of married men to have their FOOD. Guur ka Langgar is not a place for such free loaders as well.

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    ਜਿ ਤੁਧ ਨੋ ਸਾਲਾਹੇ ਸੁ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਕੇਰੀ ॥
    j thudhh no saalaahae s sabh kishh paavai jis no kirapaa niranjan kaeree ||
    One who praises You obtains everything; You bestow Your Mercy upon him, O Immaculate Lord.

    ਸੋਈ ਸਾਹੁ ਸਚਾ ਵਣਜਾਰਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਵਖਰੁ ਲਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਨੁ ਤੇਰੀ ॥
    soee saahu sachaa vanajaaraa jin vakhar ladhiaa har naam dhhan thaeree ||
    He alone is a true banker and trader, who loads the merchandise of the wealth of the Your Name, O Lord.

    ਸਭਿ ਤਿਸੈ ਨੋ ਸਾਲਾਹਿਹੁ ਸੰਤਹੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਦੂਜੇ ਭਾਵ ਕੀ ਮਾਰਿ ਵਿਡਾਰੀ ਢੇਰੀ ॥੧੬॥
    sabh thisai no saalaahihu santhahu jin dhoojae bhaav kee maar viddaaree dtaeree ||16||
    O Saints, let everyone praise the Lord, who has destroyed the pile of the love of duality. ||16||


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    ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਤਾ ਆਪਣਾਂ ਨਾਉ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥
    jaa aap kirapaal hovai har suaamee thaa aapanaan naao har aap japaavai ||
    When the Lord Master Himself becomes merciful, the Lord Himself causes His Name to be chanted.

    ਆਪੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਲਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਦੇਵੈ ਆਪਣਾਂ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਆਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥
    aapae sathigur mael sukh dhaevai aapanaan saevak aap har bhaavai ||
    He Himself causes us to meet the True Guru, and blesses us with peace. His servant is pleasing to the Lord.


    ਆਪਣਿਆ ਸੇਵਕਾ ਕੀ ਆਪਿ ਪੈਜ ਰਖੈ ਆਪਣਿਆ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
    aapaniaa saevakaa kee aap paij rakhai aapaniaa bhagathaa kee pairee paavai ||
    He Himself preserves the honor of His servants; He causes others to fall at the feet of His devotees.

    ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਹੈ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਕੀਆ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਸੇਵਕ ਨੇੜਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥
    dhharam raae hai har kaa keeaa har jan saevak naerr n aavai ||
    The Righteous Judge of Dharma is a creation of the Lord; he does not approach the humble servant of the Lord.


    ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਸੋ ਸਭਨਾ ਕਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਰ ਕੇਤੀ ਝਖਿ ਝਖਿ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਵੈ ॥੧੭॥
    jo har kaa piaaraa so sabhanaa kaa piaaraa hor kaethee jhakh jhakh aavai jaavai ||17||
    One who is dear to the Lord, is dear to all; so many others come and go in vain. ||17||



    ਰਾਮੁ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਫਿਰੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
    raam raam karathaa sabh jag firai raam n paaeiaa jaae ||
    The entire world roams around, chanting, ""Raam, Raam, Lord, Lord"", but the Lord cannot be obtained like this.

    ਅਗਮੁ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਅਤਿ ਵਡਾ ਅਤੁਲੁ ਨ ਤੁਲਿਆ ਜਾਇ
    agam agochar ath vaddaa athul n thuliaa jaae ||
    He is inaccessible, unfathomable and so very great; He is unweighable, and cannot be weighed.

    ਕੀਮਤਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਈਆ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਲਇਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
    keemath kinai n paaeeaa kithai n laeiaa jaae ||
    No one can evaluate Him; He cannot be purchased at any price.

    ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਭੇਦਿਆ ਇਨ ਬਿਧਿ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
    gur kai sabadh bhaedhiaa ein bidhh vasiaa man aae ||
    Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, His mystery is known; in this way, He comes to dwell in the mind.


    ਨਾਨਕ ਆਪਿ ਅਮੇਉ ਹੈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ
    naanak aap amaeo hai gur kirapaa thae rehiaa samaae ||
    O Nanak, He Himself is infinite; by Guru's Grace, He is known to be permeating and pervading everywhere.

    ਆਪੇ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਆਪੇ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਆਇ ॥੧॥
    aapae miliaa mil rehiaa aapae miliaa aae ||1||
    He Himself comes to blend, and having blended, remains blended. ||1||


    ਏ ਮਨ ਇਹੁ ਧਨੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਤੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
    eae man eihu dhhan naam hai jith sadhaa sadhaa sukh hoe ||
    O my soul, this is the wealth of the Naam; through it, comes peace, forever and ever.


    ਤੋਟਾ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਲਾਹਾ ਸਦ ਹੀ ਹੋਇ ॥
    thottaa mool n aavee laahaa sadh hee hoe ||
    It never brings any loss; through it, one earns profits forever.


    ਖਾਧੈ ਖਰਚਿਐ ਤੋਟਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਓਹੁ ਦੇਇ ॥
    khaadhhai kharachiai thott n aavee sadhaa sadhaa ouhu dhaee ||
    Eating and spending it, it never decreases; He continues to give, forever and ever.

    ਸਹਸਾ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਹਾਣਤ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
    sehasaa mool n hovee haanath kadhae n hoe ||
    One who has no skepticism at all never suffers humiliation.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥੨॥
    naanak guramukh paaeeai jaa ko nadhar karaee ||2||
    O Nanak, the Gurmukh obtains the Name of the Lord, when the Lord bestows His Glance of Grace. ||2||

    ਪਉੜੀ ॥
    pourree ||
    Pauree:

    ਆਪੇ ਸਭ ਘਟ ਅੰਦਰੇ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਾਹਰਿ ॥
    aapae sabh ghatt andharae aapae hee baahar ||
    He Himself is deep within all hearts, and He Himself is outside them.

    ਆਪੇ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਜਾਹਰਿ ॥
    aapae gupath varathadhaa aapae hee jaahar ||
    He Himself is prevailing unmanifest, and He Himself is manifest.

    ਜੁਗ ਛਤੀਹ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਰਤਿਆ ਸੁੰਨਾਹਰਿ ॥
    jug shhatheeh gubaar kar varathiaa sunnaahar ||
    For thirty-six ages, He created the darkness, abiding in the void.


    ਓਥੈ ਵੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਨ ਸਾਸਤਾ ਆਪੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਰਹਰਿ ॥
    outhhai vaedh puraan n saasathaa aapae har narehar ||
    There were no Vedas, Puraanas or Shaastras there; only the Lord Himself existed.

    ਬੈਠਾ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਇ ਆਪਿ ਸਭ ਦੂ ਹੀ ਬਾਹਰਿ ॥
    baithaa thaarree laae aap sabh dhoo hee baahar ||
    He Himself sat in the absolute trance, withdrawn from everything.


    ਆਪਣੀ ਮਿਤਿ ਆਪਿ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਗਉਹਰੁ ॥੧੮॥
    aapanee mith aap jaanadhaa aapae hee gouhar ||18||
    Only He Himself knows His state; He Himself is the unfathomable ocean. ||18||


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