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Gurus If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?

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    Q & A: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?, Responding to Challenges to Sikhi

    By Manvir Singh Khalsa


    Q: If the Gurus said that all religions are equal paths that lead to the same goal, you'll be ok whichever religion you're in. Then what is the point of the existence of Sikhism? Just proves that Sikhism is wishy-washy and holds little substance.

    If a Hindu should be a good Hindu and Muslim should be a good Muslim and all paths lead to God, then Guru Nanak never intended to make a new religion but rather renew and remind Muslims of Islam and becoming good Muslims?

    A:
    It is a ‘totally false’ argument that Sikhi believes all paths lead to the same goal and thus all religions are equal. From its very inception, Gurmat (the Guru’s Path) has been declared a unique and distinct path. Bhai Gurdaas jee writes:
    ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸਿੱਕਾ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਪੰਥ ਚਲਾਯਾ॥
    “In the world, Guru Nanak Sahib jee established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a Path (of religion), devoid of any impurity.”
    (Vaar 1, Pauree 45 – Bhai Gurdaas jee)


    The claim that all paths lead to the same goal is covered in Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh jee’s book ‘Anhad Shabad Dasam Duar - Open discussion of unstruck ethereal music at tenth door of abode-divine’, pages 46-47:

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    If we use this viewpoint to analyse some mainstream schools of thought, we may reach the following conclusions:
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    In Hindu or Vedantic traditions, Liberation = various states according to different schools i.e. freedom from transmigration, realisation of self as God (Sohang) etc.

    In Buddhism, Liberation = realisation of the nature of self/ escape from desires/ Nirvaana.

    In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Liberation = heavenly abode/ paradise

    In Sikhi, Liberation = absorption into Vaheguru/Naam, the destruction of self/ego, the merging of Aatma (soul) into ParAatma (Universal Soul) - all of which can only be achieved through complete dedication to The Guru's Teachings.

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    Yes, all paths lead to The One; but no, not every concept of Vaheguru or liberation is the same. This is because, and here we reach the crux of the issue, not all paths are the same.

    The concept of equality exemplified by Sikhi is not the result of a debate concerning which paths are more (or less) efficient and ultimately productive; equality is not based upon such rational discussions or language games. The Sikhi concept of equality is an inward and outward acceptance of all and seeing everyone as a soul rather than religious labels, which results directly from the practice of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee's teachings.

    When it comes to true enlightenment, or liberation, Guru jee is very clear about its unique nature and definition within Gurmat; and in doing so we are taught who and what really is The True Teacher.

    Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee over and over stresses the importance of "Gurmat Naam". Without Gurmat Naam no one can merge in Vaheguru or reach ‘Sach Khand’ (the spiritual state of Truth). In the House of Guru Nanak only Naam is found, the only tool to experience and merge into God.

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    ਏਹੁ ਅਹੇਰਾ ਕੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
    ਨਾਨਕ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮੁ ॥੪॥੪॥
    “God has given this gift. Nanak’s home is filled with only Naam, the Name of Vaheguru. ||4||4||
    (Ang 1136)

    Without Naam, no one can be liberated and merge with God. GurbaaNee is clear about this fact:
    ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਧੁਨਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੀ ॥
    ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟਸਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਤਰੁ ਤੂ ਤਾਰੀ ॥੯॥੭॥
    “Those enshrined the True Name within their heart, those within is the flowing current of Naam, and those whose consciousness is attached to the vibrations of the Guru's Baani obtain all comforts and liberation from Maya (the illusionary world). O Nanak! Without the Naam, no one is saved; You too swim across to the other side this true way in which there no chance of drowning. ||9||7||”
    (Ang 1013)

    Sikhi is unique by the fact that it does not condemn others to Hell or say if you are not Sikh you are eternally damned. Rather a Sikh prays at least twice daily for "Sarbat Da Bhallaa", meaning the good and prosperity of all Humanity regardless of religion, belief or faith.

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    ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮ ਚੜਦੀ ਕਲਾ। ਤੇਰੇ. ਭਾਣੇ ਸਰਬੱਤ ਦਾ ਭਲਾ।
    "May the Divine-Name preached by Nanak be exalted. May all prosper and be blessed within Your Will."
    (Daily Sikh Ardaas)


    All faiths will get what they work towards. Guru Nanak Sahib jee is the only True Guru who has preached Naam, and given Gurmat-Naam. Only Gurmat has a concept such as Sach Khand and God-Realisation in such a clear way. Thus, Gurmat is the only path to Sach Khand, i.e. merging with God.

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    Manvir Singh Khalsa ਮਨਵੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਖਾਲਸਾ
    Source: Discoversikhi.com



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    Thanks for shareing this Kaur-1, while i share most of the sayings, we have to realize that other ways of life are "unique" to say "equal path" is false, as equal is different to all.

    We still must respect others and their way of life, and at the same time respect our own as a unique way of life too. With this said, "equal" is irrelavant.

    We must realize that one word or philosophy can mean something different to others.

    -LC
     
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    Re: Q & A: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?

    Dear Manvir Singh Khalsa, Sikhism is extremely unique. If you have the time, read some verses in the Holy Quran and also in the Holy Bible.

    Thank you.

    Regards
     
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    Re: Q & A: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

    Nim_23, Thanks for the reply.

    Manvir Singh Khalsa has posted a very well written Q&A to a very similar type question(s) that a few unscrupulous anti-sikh website (most are muslim sites) seem to constantly query on and argue over.!!

    Unfortunately, theirs is a religion that is constantly ramming their nonsense, propoganda and lies down others throats as a conversion tactic.
     
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    Dont get you!.
     
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    Re: Q & A: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?

    kaur-1 ji i agree with you there are many muslims who just attack sikhism from time to time.a muslim has just attacked sikhism on {url not allowed}

    www.{url not allowed} :: View topic - 10 Questions on Sikhism From Muslims / Ex-Sikhs

    muslims have also created a website
    [Mod note: This anti sikh website has been trying to promote their nonsense on various other sikhi forums. Lets NOT help them]
     
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    Re: Q & A: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made?

    Veerji, yes I have noticed that. Just shows you what kind of mentality these fanatics have.

    The more they register into Sikhi sites and post their propoganda, the more the world is aware of their unscrupulous tactics!

    All I am aware of is they are banned from various sikh sites.!
     
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    don't get me?

    It's basically saying that different paths mean different things to people.
     
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    If your sikh, muslim, hindu, christian, buddhist, judaism, or any other religion there is, all are in the eyes of god, think about it, people are distinguising religion and appearance together. Its not like religion is a grouup, but more of a teaching then a group. Its not about belonging to this or that. Religions were created for different teachings that needed to be learnt, and all religions are in the eye of god, all are one with god. Whatever religion you are, belong to it, follow it, have faith in god!
     
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    I agree with Anoop jee's comment that in the eyes of God we are all equal.

    Sikhism is the most tolerant and loving religion, which gives respect to everyone regardless of gender, ethnicity or beliefs. Unlike other religions Sikhism does not believe that non-believers go to Hell or are eternally dammed. This is pure injustice and there is no surprise why religions have led to massacres, crusades, jihads, terrorism and murder in the Name of God. Rather a Sikh prays at least twice daily for "Sarbat Da Bhallaa", meaning the good and prosperity of all Humanity regardless of religion, belief or faith.

    The Sikh motto is: “See God in all, or not all.” If you cant appreciate, love and live with God’s creation and God’s created people then how does one expect the Grace of God?

    Through Guru Nanak, and Guru Nanak alone, Sikhs believe one can merge into God in life through living a complete and perfect spiritually balanced way of life immersed in the loving devotion to God and His Creation. The religion and its beliefs are unique. The concept of equality exemplified by Sikhism is not the result of a debate concerning which paths are more (or less) efficient and ultimately productive; equality is not based upon such rational discussions or language games. The Sikhism concept of equality is an inward and outward acceptance of all and seeing everyone as a soul rather than religious labels, which results directly from the practice of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee's (the Sikh’s Sacred Scripture) teachings.


    "Whatever religion you are, belong to it, follow it, have faith in god!"

    I agree that everyone should have faith in God. However, can you please support the claim that whatever religion you are, belong to it and follow it?

    First thing which could come in the mind of someone is - What's the point of Sikhi and the Path of Gurmat if all Guru Nanak Sahib jee wanted us to do was become a good Muslim who follows Quran and Sharia, good Christian who follows Church and Bible etc? Therefore, there is nothing unique or special to Gurmat and Gurmat is equal to all other Paths and ways?

    f this were true - then the worrying thing is that we are saying that Guru Sahib is saying if you are Christian - go drink wine, slaughter animals and kill them for your hunger, woman is responsible for sin, as per Paul's writings that woman should be under authority of father, then husband then if husband dies son, there is no emphasis on Naam or Naam Japnaa because "believing" in the Saviour alone is fine.

    In terms of Judaism - if it were true that "If you are a Jew, obey Jewish tenets and become a good Jew. " Then the worrying thing is that as Sikhs we are agreeing to the following things that its okay curse women and say " Thank God that I am not born as a Woman" (which is tenet practiced by Rabbis (Jewish Priests) every morning), that women are impure and therefore not allowed to teach the Tohra (Jewish Scripture) or allowed to lead prayer or even by in the same hall as a man when praying, we are saying that its right for people to mutilate their God given body and practice circumcision?
    Vaheguru.

    Guru Nanak Sahib jee DID tell the Muslim to become a True Muslim and a Pandit (Scholar) to become a True Pandit (this in Gurbaani). However, Guru Nanak Sahib jee REDEFINED what a TRUE Muslim is, what a TRUE Pandit is, what a TRUE Yogi is, what a TRUE Sidhi is etc. For the Guru - a true Yogi, true Muslim, true Pandit, true ascetic, true Brahman is a GURMUKH - one lives the teachings Guru Nanak Sahib jee and follows the religion of GURMAT NAAM. For example Guru Nanak Sahib jee tells the Muslim to read Namaaz (prayers) however Guru Sahib REDEFINES Namaaz and tells the Muslim what the TRUE Namaaz is ( i.e. the life of a Gurmukh) - you can read the shabad here:
    SikhiToTheMAX - Enabling Gurmat Knowledge

    Bhul Chuk Maaf,

    Daas,
    Manvir Singh
     
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    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    There are no challenges to Sikhism. A religion and belief system is known by the substance and calibre of its followers and adherents. Great tyrants have sought to destroy this noble faith and yet it has to date withstood all attempts to malign or distort its fundamental principles and cognitive concise premise.

    The Sikh Faith is as strong fair and noble as the philosophical integrity to truth and peace within the heart, home and community of each Sikh. When in times of social upheaval divorce and domestic strife become commonplace we are failing in upholding the tenets of our founding forefathers who considered the squabbling, battling or fighting and division within a home, community or the faith as a personal affront.

    Sikh society has become exposed to the modern day plague of discontent given the economic upsurge in quality of life and living. That is our failure, a tragedy upon the testimonial allegories of our forefather ability to resolve any dispute and feud within our communities. Any faith is as strong, as sound and as valid as each individual’s ability to apply its values in their ordinary daily lives.

    Some consider it a blessing to maintain peace within their own thresholds, whilst others are blessed with the wisdom, grace and authority to inter mediate in the problems encountered by their peers and resolve any such matters considered the responsibility of the community elders. That is the only failure. A unified Sikh community thinking, acting and driven by one will to a collective honour, virtue and social cohesiveness is the route to success and triumph. This is the basic fundamental premise of any faith.
     
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    I agree with Star Darcy Lion Child veerji ...Different Paths mean different things to people ...We should be certainly be aware why we chose a Path.

    In India it is obvious that a Keshdhari Sikh family's son will be a Sikh ..so also with other faiths ..however the commitment is always questionable ..since there is more of compulsion and less of choice ...

    I have often seen my friends blackmailing their fathers if they r forced to tie Pags instead of Patkas..this one guy I know just snaps back..saying 'Dont teach me ..otherwise you will regret to see a cap":inca:
     
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    Re: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made? - Responding to Challenges to Sik

    There is a song in Christianity that expresses our fellowship with Christians the world over. It goes like this:

    In Christ there is no north or south; in him no east or west. But one great fellowship of love throughout the whole wide earth.

    Jesus made exclusive truth claims that set him apart, much like the gurus. On reason I like Sikhs so well is because of their charitable service and good principles.
     
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    I had the opportunity to sit with our Giani Ji recently and asked his views on whether the phrases in shabads also applied to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as it does to Vedas and Puranas. My question was " Page 56, Line 8
    ਪੰਡਿਤ ਵਾਚਹਿ ਪੋਥੀਆ ਨਾ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
    पंडित वाचहि पोथीआ ना बूझहि वीचारु ॥
    Pandiṯ vācẖėh pothī▫ā nā būjẖėh vīcẖār.
    ThePandits, the religious scholars, read their books, but they do not understand the real meaning.
    Guru Nanak Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

    His reply was that the Vedas (4 vedas) each have a different set of reasons to recite them and none of them teach to rise above the desire level. Whereas, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we are repeatedly told to discard the 5 passions, the strongest being ego.

    Secondly, reading SGGS is like talking to God directly for e.g. [/SIZE][SIZE=-2]Guru Granth Sahib Page 11[/SIZE]
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    Re: If All Paths Are Equal Then Why Was Sikhi Made? - Responding to Challenges to Sik

    ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਭੁਲੇ ਹਉਮੈ ਮੋਹੁ ਵਧਾਇਆ
    ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण भुले हउमै मोहु वधाइआ ॥
    Barahmā bisan mahāḏe▫o ṯarai guṇ bẖule ha▫umai moh vaḏẖā▫i▫ā.
    Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase.

    ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਮੋਨੀ ਭੁਲੇ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇਆ
    पंडित पड़ि पड़ि मोनी भुले दूजै भाइ चितु लाइआ ॥
    Pandiṯ paṛ paṛ monī bẖule ḏūjai bẖā▫e cẖiṯ lā▫i▫ā.
    The Pandits, the religious scholars and the silent sages read and debate in confusion; their consciousness is centered on the love of duality.

    ਜੋਗੀ ਜੰਗਮ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਭੁਲੇ ਵਿਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਤਤੁ ਪਾਇਆ
    जोगी जंगम संनिआसी भुले विणु गुर ततु न पाइआ ॥
    Jogī jangam sani▫āsī bẖule viṇ gur ṯaṯ na pā▫i▫ā.
    The Yogis, wandering pilgrims and Sanyaasees are deluded; without the Guru, they do not find the essence of reality.

    ਮਨਮੁਖ ਦੁਖੀਏ ਸਦਾ ਭ੍ਰਮਿ ਭੁਲੇ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ
    मनमुख दुखीए सदा भ्रमि भुले तिन्ही बिरथा जनमु गवाइआ ॥
    Manmukẖ ḏukẖī▫e saḏā bẖaram bẖule ṯinĥī birthā janam gavā▫i▫ā.
    The miserable self-willed manmukhs are forever deluded by doubt; they waste away their lives uselessly.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮਿ ਰਤੇ ਸੇਈ ਜਨ ਸਮਧੇ ਜਿ ਆਪੇ ਬਖਸਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
    नानक नामि रते सेई जन समधे जि आपे बखसि मिलाइआ ॥१॥
    Nānak nām raṯe se▫ī jan samḏẖe jė āpe bakẖas milā▫i▫ā. ||1||
    O Nanak, those who are imbued with the Naam are balanced and poised; forgiving them, the Lord blends them with Himself. ||1||

    Full Shabad : Ang : 852
     
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    Gurufateh ji,

    The topic is valid and right to be asked. i would try to ans shortly,please note;

    1. the primary role of "religion" is to make our life free from " panch vikaar" , equality and tolrence between human beings and attainment of highest spiritual life.

    2. all the religions EXCEPT SIKHISM are singing and preaching these values but ONLY FOR THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS.

    a) See Bible ...St. Mark - chapter 7 nos.25 to 30
    a woman of other religion requested Jesus to pray for her daughter who is ailing. Jesus says; "who serves the food of his childern to dogs ?
    the woman was very much grieved . she again requested that,"Sir childern take the food , but the dogs under the table eat of the childern crumbs. please pray for my ailing daughter".
    ----the same story is repeated by St, Mathew 15 / 22 to 28
    b) With my respects to the Mohammad Sahib , islam says that all non-muslims are qafirs and must be invited to islam . if they ignore your call bycott them, harrass them , loot them ,kill them ,and all their belongings and women are halal . all the charities are allowed to muslims only. so where is the equality, tolrance or salamti as they say.

    c) In hinduism i need not say - the equality and tolrance of four castes are well known.

    3. I think it is sufficient to clear my view .Sikh prayer and practical is good to all in Sangat and Pangat as the total humanty;-

    JAGAT JLANDA RAKH LE APNI KIRPA DHAAR .
    JIT DUARE UBRE TITTE LEHU UBAAR
    ( Gurbani )
    Next;-
    Almost all other religions stand upon fear and greed. fear of hell and greed of women and wine in the paradise....swarg..and zannatt or bahisht.whereas Sikhism says;
    'Do good to all and everyone, be of good cheer of life and death that no evil can happen to a good man either in life or after death.

    Dass ​
     
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    sikhism is the ONLY RELIGION that advocates Jeewan Mukt....

    ALL others talk about LIFE AFTER DEATH....heavens, hoorans, pariahn..rivers of milk honey,,hell syaitan and devils..WHICH INCIDENTLLY NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN OR COME BACK AND TESTIFIED ABOUT ?? tHEY TELL YOU TO JUST BELEIVE ON fAITH AND THEIR SAY SO...

    gURBANI SAYS..GIVE ME muktee now..SO THAT ALL CAN SEE AND BELEIVE....WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER DEATH..??? ALL OTHERS ON THE OTHER HAND..TALK ABOUT AFTER DEATH ONLY.....EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL....FEAR OR REWARDS...

    WORSE ARE THOSE THAT PROMISE A VAST UNENDING SUPPLY OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND WINE ?? SO MALE CENTRED ?? WHAT ABOUT WOMEN ?? ARE THEY LESBIANS..
    IN FACT this is nothing but pandering to what most men want anyway..unlimited women a nd alcohol ??

    And whay want women ?? are we still having the body ?? but wasnt that body buried and rotten..or burnt..or destroyed ??

    It is apologetic to say ALL religoins are the Same..or all Gods are the same...
    SIKHISM is UNIQUE.
    Waheguru of Sikhism is UNIQUE.
    Neither Sikhism nor its Akal purakh/Waheguru are the Same as any other Gods.:happy:
     
  21. Saint Soldier

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    Sat Shri Akal,

    Sikhism is a great religion :shock: no not at all:u):

    Exaggerating anything is not good time and again people exaggerate their religion singing its praises i don't understand what do they get in doing so Sikhism is a common religion as common as any other religion full of both good and bad points it has an ability to turn mens violent and blood thirsty like any other religion. well i think i should keep my mouth shut :shutup:eek:ther wise as aman ji has said IL be baned.

    ~~sainty~~
    ~~wald Guru Nanak~~
     

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