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How Did Guru Nanak Manage The Travel?

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  1. Dev singh

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    SSA.

    I have question to ask. I asked many no one can give me answer.

    As we know people who preach Sikhism they come from India to preach about life of Gurus. That goes from one gurdwara to gurdwara. They get money for preaching to us the sangat.

    How did Guru Nanak manage the travel? Did he took money from his home when he went travel and away. Or the people who listen Nanak's preaching? Gave the money to that?
     
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  3. anon

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    I have been recently reading a book by H.McLeod in which there is an essay about the life of Guru Nanak. It goes through all the janam sakhis and assesses their validity by looking at existing evidence, or how well the sakhis compare with other sources.

    The essay that I read classifies all of the sakhis as being "Likely true" or "Likely False" and im pretty sure that he classifies the stories of Guru Nanaks distant travels, to Mecca, Baghdad, and Sri Lanka as being false.

    The conclusion i drew fromthis was that Guru Nanak did not travel nearly as far as we are led to believe.
     
  4. dalvindersingh grewal

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    I have the privilege of doing research on Guru Nanak for last 40 years specially on his travels and visited almost all known places in India, Sri Lanka and Bangla Desh. Guru Nanak walked mostly. His sea travels on boats and ships are also confirmed. Where did he get the money from for his travel expenses? is the question. Since he walked on foot mostly he needed hardly any expenses except for his meals and the clothes. Before start of his travels Guru Nanak was well known not only in Punjab ruling circles but among the key sages of the period as well. He had been the store holder of Nawab Dault Khan and his brother-in-law was a high official as well. Rich and powerful like Rai Bullar, Nawab daulta Khan, Ajit Randhawa, karoria etc were his followers. After the final accounts were tallied at his store house, quite a sum i.e., Rs 700/- was in balance which he asked the Nawab to distribute among the poor. It showed that he needed no money as a travel. His name was so well spread that where ever he went thereafter there were people to take care of him. Even when he went to the unknown his hymns proved so effective that kings like Shivnabh became his disciples. He himself had reached a stage where hunger did not matter but for his companions he always managed something and all without keeping any money with him. Janamsakhis have ample proof of it.
     
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    Dev singh jee. if you remember even before and immediately after partition, money was not the requirement to travel. people kept the traveler in their homes, fed them and some instances they were fed by the organizers of sarai, temple or the mosque. there was no convenience of rides but to walk. Money only came into playing a role since the indian society has become more affluent. Baba carried some amount of money with him as well. it was not a money making expedition. Money plays a role these days for everything. The kathakars these days use their wits to impress the audience and yet know nothing about spiritualism. The audience does not seriously listen to what the preacher says but how they impress by their slogans. I heard bhai thakur singh saying in his katha that guru said to his followers to go and kill some pigeons and bring for him to eat, i heard late divine Hardev singh that je tusi tivian the gut na puto oh kabuu nahien aaondiean then immediately he would say bol wahiguru to distract the audience. I saw Maskeen sahib rolling money and filling his parka pockets and then walk away without saying sat sari akal or asking for forgiveness for any mistake he made.
     
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    McLeod's research has been proved biased and is not accepted among researcher as an authentic research. As there have been numerous papers already published to prove that, I will not dwell on that since subject of discussion is different. I can only say that he did no do any field work but developed his conclusions on paper work based on certain Janasakhis and a few sources which were provided to him. Hence these could not be stated as authentic.
    Second point regarding travelling without money is concerned, I had met many mendicants who had visited widely without having money in their pockets.
    Can anyone give any example of Guru Nanak using money after he started his travels. Previous to this there are two examples one of sacha sauda and another of buying rebec for which the money was provided by his father and sister respectively.
     
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    Sir

    Much of what you've written is in accordance with my own view, but suffice to say, the shabd below offers rational propositions:

    ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਬੇਤਾਲਾ ॥ ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਆਦਮੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੇਚਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਭਇਆ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ਸਾਹ ਕਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥ ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਭੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਏਕੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥ ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਏਕਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਖਸਮ ਕਾ ਦੂਜੀ ਅਵਰ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਕਾਇ ॥੩॥ ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਮੰਦਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਅਵਰੁ ਭਲਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੭॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 991}

    The operative word in my opinion ought to be "deewana" to ascertain whether Baba Nanak carried any money or felt it necessary to carry ?

    Goodnight Sir
     
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    You are right in this context. He had a janoon of passing the message gloablly of 'one God of all' 'common brotherhood' ' Truth and truth alone'; the message he received at Bein.
     
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    People then and now have not changes. Now days the ragies come to Canada USA and other countries they make lot of money. Every one of them. Why Nanak be any different?
    In those days singer were making good money.
    All the sakhies are written way after his death. Most of them are don't make any sense. There is no harm to take money with one,s talent. Nanak had to live and eat, it is no crime in taking money.
     
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    actually there is, its called theft, We are Sikhs, we give, we do not take, I personally would be surprised if cash changed hands, it would have set a dark precedent, a bed for the night and a simple meal would have sufficed all round.
     
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    The problem is relating the event to the times. Guru Nanak's times were different than ours. Needs were also limited. Free meals and accommodation for nights to the visitors were considered as honour. There were sarais in almost every key place for the travelers and sadhus then where you were not required to pay. Sadhus were always the special guest of any well to do person. Now there is nothing like that. Not much before (about 60 years before) I was able to survive on Rs 20/- for two months. This is not the case now. So we must take into account the changing times.
     
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    So those ragi who sing in gurdwara don't take money that is sang at drop in front of them don't take that money? In my few Nanak and Mardana took the money. I do not think it is bad thing. They both were human and acted as human.
     
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    Sir, can you divulge further on this issue rising within yourself, upto the point where you have proposed it to many people? It seems like a really insignificant detail to me, but I would like know a little more about how this came to be?
     
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    What more you want to know?
    People says Nanak was god. As in the Bhai Gurdas said god came down to earth as nanak.
    It can not be .

    Is taking money for singing about and praising god is wrong?
    On the other hand IS THERE GOD?

    No one have seen god, no one can claim they have seen god?
    What does god do? Does god listen to Ardass?

    Dave
     
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    what more u want to know?
     
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    Why cannot it be, that Nanak came to earth as "God"?

    Why do you have doubts on "God"?

    There are plenty of things I haven't seen but that doesn't mean they don't exist or didn't happen.

    What would you like "God" to do?

    Why do you think"God" doesn't listen to ardas?
     
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    Why you feel such a minor issue is worth asking so many people over? By getting an answer either way, how will it effect your life in this world?
     
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    Guru Nanak Dev ji was a Satguru. He knew what to do and he did it.
     
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    I say there is no god.
    If u can prove
    that there is god and u have seen it then it is up to to u to prove that god is here.
    Unless u can prove it then don't bother to sent any text

    deve
     
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    but you must believe in god to say there is no god
    if we debate like this, we will get nowhere, i could suggest you prove there is no god, it is kindergarten debate, why do you not answer the questions and then we can see where the debate goes?
     
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    I can't prove "God" as I've never seen him. I do beleive in Sri Akal, not because I've seen or experienced Sri Akal, but because I have faith in my Guru who says that Sri Akal exists.

    If you don't have faith in a Guru, how can you be a Sikh?
     
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