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Discussion in 'History of Sikhism' started by Kurious Kaur, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. Kurious Kaur

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    I have been looking into the question of homosexuality and Sikhi, and to me it seems the two are compatible, but I was wondering if anybody could point me in the direction of historical Sikhs who were gay? Can anyone think of any during the gurus' times, or even after that, but someone who is a gursikh and openly gay?

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    Thank you very much
     
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  3. Ishna

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    I'm not sure you'll find many, if any, references. My understanding is that, before the British occupied India, homosexuality was quite as big a deal as it is now. So no one may have seen a need to mention it.
     
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    I am a person who happens to be both a sikh and gay .
    In my own experience so far, being gay seems like a disadvantage where I live (india). Its painful to see so many "straight" (upper caste, brahmins of today) people enjoy their relationships while we "gay" (shudars) are required to attend their marriages , all the while knowing that we ourselves most likely will never have such a day in our life , atleast not so with someone of the same gender we like.

    Being gay is a disadvantage but only so because society has made it so . If I lived in a close-to-utopian society like canada , I won't be as sad !

    SGGS doesn't say a word on homosexuality. It talks only of spirituality and orientation is irrelevant to it. Also god is neither male nor female, not gay or straight.

    I really don't get "straight" people. When will ya peeps finally get your head around the fact that some people (including some of your kids) are GAY ! GET OVER IT

    You must be wondering how straight people have negatively influenced the physical, mental health of gay people. By rejecting and social outcasting, gays are much more prone to depression and loneliness which forces them into risky ways , which a person of normal peace of mind wouldn't do .

    By outcasting, ridiculing them , you take away their confidence , you take away their power of self-acceptance and when there's no self-acceptance, then healthy relationships and love is ... just forget about it !

    And this is why I sometimes feel I HATE "STRAIGHT" PEOPLE just as they have taken the "right to life" from me
    They are the tyrant mughals of present day
     
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    I feel bad for you man. Guru Nanak said not to discriminate people cause of their belief, caste, colour, and religion. Yet people are still racist, people hate homosexuals, and those who have mixed marriages.
     
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    Sikh religion deals with spiritualism only. It has nothing to do with individual sexual choices, neither it condemns nor it accepts. It is individual choice, it is how one feels. It gets a bad rap when one advertises or the society advertises. it. Homosexuality had been in the world as long as a human being existed.. In ancient days flourishing society was in the middle east and normal people used to offer their handsome boys to the kings for sexual purposes. So if it was then , what is so strange to be gay now. how one feels but religion does not play any role in it. it is the society which accepts it or rejects it. Be happy and enjoy your notion. Sikh scripture deals with mind only not the body. Body is your own so do what you think pleases you.
     
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    However I must add homosexuals , myself being one , would like to be in times and places when we don't have to call ourselves "homosexuals" or "gay", where we don't have to have a rainbow flag and do what you prideful normals call "shoving it on our faces" .
    I would very much like to live in a century or a country when and where I can just fall in love with a man , show him to my parents and me to his parents , show our relationship to our society , get married, have kids (adoption or surrogacy) , and have our own piece of cake called joys of life and then enjoy that cake our ours in a corner without any loud music, flashing of flags, etc .

    And I would love to do all the above without being bullied or made to feel guilty of it or ridiculed for it or not fear some harm to me or my love.

    But is it so ?? is the world like this ? maybe some of it is so in the place you live in (canada), but its nowhere near to my para above in most parts of the world.

    Guess who advertises their sexuality and relationships to the entire frigging universe ?
    Heterosexuals (or 'straights' , as if gays are crooked) do !
    I see their advertisement of their relationships in form of couples all the time on hoarding boards, tv ads, ubiquitous ads , this place , that place , in conversations and in remotest of things imaginable !
    and they even assume I am straight !

    so its not the gays who're advertising , its the straights ! and they're the ones worldwide shoving their sexuality down throats of gays and bisexuals worldwide .
    Sorry if I sound a bit rude, but thats a fact , isn't it ?

    imagine gays criminalizing heterosexuality or forcing a straight man to marry a man ?!
    yet this is what happens to us .

    And the fact that we're not yet accorded equal rights around the world is the reason we have to keep shouting , once we're all equal (which I doubt ever happening in near future) , the rainbow flag and loudness might die out . Its born of necessity after all !
     

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