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Has this story any validation in Sikhism ?

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Neutral Singh, Sep 3, 2004.

  1. Neutral Singh

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    Has this story any validation in Sikhism ?
     
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    Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.


    Although I would say such stories are the result of fertile imaginations...( Who HEARD GOD telling the climber to cut the rope ??? when in fact he was found DEAD the next day ???)

    This story does have validation in Sikhism.

    When GURU GOBIND SINGH JI called for a HEAD in Anadpur sahib on vasakhi day in 1699....NO one got up for a while.....Guur Ji waited and REPEATED his call. Then slowly Bhai Daya Singh was seen coming forward. He was asked why he waited so long.... He replied: MY Guur Ji, at first I hesitated that If i gave my head...what would happen to my family ?? ...my aged parents who depend on me in their old age...my young children....who would take care of them after i am gone??? BUT then i decided: if i give my head to my Guru, He will take care of my family...and so here I am. MY HEAD is YOURS...MY RESPONSIBILITIES are YOURS as well.

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    Off-topic: WE do Matha-Tekna to Guru, which is as good as offering the head, with our own matt, as if giving our matt to Guru ji, and begging for GuruMatt.

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    yeah what i feel is that we have to surrender ourselves totally to the will of Guru..

    matha tekna teaches us humility and we beg to get the blesssings of the guru to give us the knowledge and understanding on our journey towards self-actualisation
     
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    Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.

    We Matha Tek in front of Guru Ji to show that we "give" our head and accept Guru matt instead of usingour own manmatt.

    BUT unfortunately all that remains in practise today is just a RITUAL. Everyone bows down mechanically.....the moment we get up and TAKE our HEAD BACK...we start following our own manmatt again ( until the next time we do matha tek again !!!)

    I have seen children as well as adults..."hunting" for coins/cash before matha tek - it has been ingrained into them that without cash offering somehow the matha tek is incomplete...i persoanlly heard children complaining to their parents that why brother received 50 cents to matha tek and i only received 10 cents??? somehow the amount is also important and a sign of "dignity"???
    That is why many hold out the $10 or $100 note out conspicoulsy while walking along to matha tek so that the whole sangat can see how much is being matha tek ??.....I have persoanlly come across children chiding each other - hey you only matha tek 10 cents so you cannot eat so much langgar...never matha tek money want langgar free eh ??? such are the attitudes being passed down among our new generations...matha tek is thought to be a payment of the langgar afterwards...IF NO MONEY to matha tek then it is expectd the person must do SEWA to earn the langgar he ate !!!

    We must take SIKHI back to its roots...the BASICS. All rituals must be rooted out since they are all based on wrong assumptions. The GURU is not sitting there waiting to be bargained with.... I matha tek $1.25 and you Guru Ji make me a first prize winner at the Lottery !!! or give me a SON...a Good Job.... A good wife.. make me pass my exams...etc etc...it is aBIRLA who will ask for KIRPA from guru Ji...

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    Nice points Gyani ji. In most of things, I feel the same way.

    Although we know about the significance of some actions after we ourselves grow up, but still abiding by those seems to be so difficult, as u mentioned owning manmatt again till next matha tek.

    Materialistic world weighs everything with money, hence those kind of show-off, or bargaining etc. How ridiculous it is to ask for bargaining for a great job by offering a sum, which may not even count to dasvandh.

    There are some Gurudwaras, which dont keep Golak, hence no possibility of any show-off, also donator's names are not read in sangat, this aspect of certain gurudwaras I like.

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    Come on, if you could not see the ground...who in their right mind would let go of the rope?

    Plus, I love how these stories always show "God" in the smart, all-nice light.


    I got a similar story for ya ;)

    A Jew was in a concentration camp, and he was being taken to the "oven".
    He asked God on his trip there, where he was heading, and if God would take care of him. God said yes, for this is God's Will, all will be ok, just let go of your materialistic deeds, and follow the path that you are on now, for there is a reason you are on this path. The Jew got off and was put into the "oven"....and died.

    This is actually a *true* story, because it was written down in a journal by a Jew (forget the name). So, how are we to tell what is God's voice and what is not God's voice?

    For if the above is God's voice, then similar to the man holding onto the rope, I would have told the Jew to fight for his life with strength and never let go.
     
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    I am wondering if God sounded like Liberace or Barry White!!!!!:)


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    waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki afteh.


    how about this story...

    A man was walking throught he jungle when he came face to face with a lion. He prayed to God to save him.....God replied..You did a lot of things wrong so i cant. You will have to face the music now. The man was smart. So he said to God: At least turn the lion into a Christian. God said OK that can be done.

    The next thing the man saw was that the Lion had folded his front paws and was reciting: Thank You God for what we are about to receive !!!

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  11. etinder

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    thats a good one gyaniji :)
     

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