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Gurbani-engraved Karas: Allowed or Not?

Discussion in 'Sikh Youth' started by Harkiran Kaur, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. Harkiran Kaur

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    I came across a site online that has some beautifully engraved karas, with various verses from Gurbani (Mool Mantra for example). Some have it engraved on the outside, some on the inside.... And this site seems to be the only real site specifically where you can get special sized karas etc online? I was just wondering, is engraving gurbani on a kara, would it be disrespectful to wear one of these?? Obviously they are selling many of them or they wouldn't be in business.... Just curious. I have a plain stainless steel 5 line one, but I want to find a sarbloh (rust free white iron, not the original iron) but I need a much smaller size than what is offered on the other generic Sikh supply websites. (like 60mm diameter and the smallest is usually 64mm which is loose enough to fall over my hand) Anyway I came across that site on my search and was just curious on your take about the engraving of gurbani on karas because I wasn't really sure.
     
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    Anything is allowed, but do you think it's disrespectful? Why, or why not?
     
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    I'm going to be perfectly firm here in my opinion !

    Akasha ji, even though you are asking a reasonable question, the question that really comes to my mind is ''Why do you doubt or ask this ??''
    I will tell you why...............because of what you hear about other issues that are similar from other sikhs.
    There are many examples of these such as the anti-wedding card crew who complain about lines of gurbani used in wedding invites because you should cover your head whilst reading or you can get the card dirty or put with other garbage...blah.blah...blah..
    Then you get the other crew that complains about reading gurbani from your laptop because -
    -you can get unblocked porn site pop ups from other sites on the same computer.
    -OR you should have your computer clean without traces of foodcrumbs and spittings from your mouth.
    -You should cover your head whilst reading any gurbani from anywhere..
    OR you shouldn't throw the wedding card away but should cremate it because gurbani is written in it ????

    It is all about having gurbani only in a clean and 'suchaa pavitar 'place (I think it means clean enough to be holy!)
    To me this is ALL brahminised rubbish.
    Gurbani stays as truthful and clean (succhi) no matter where it is.
    If someone went to the extreme and defaced or did graffiti on a gutka, then the gurbani or Guru's word is not going to be harmed in any way.-BUT the intentions of the vandal were certainly out of order and deliberate to cause disrespect. BUT that is general vandalism ANYWHERE, not just in a gutka. It is the same defacing of a building wall, bus stop, sign post..etc..

    The Guru's word or Gurbani is UNTOUCHABLE and not affected by what material it comes into contact with.
    If you think about it, what can we call absolutely clean and hygenic that it is dirt and germ free ????
    Absolutely Nothing except for the scientifically controlled ''Clean Rooms' where aseptic and sterile vaccines..etc.. are manufactured. These clean rooms still contain very very small micro-organisms, but they are 99.99% free of any bacteria or viruses.

    Once you get away from the brahmnised mindset that seems to govern these crazy cleanliness and succha issues, then you realise that ther is nothing wrong with having a gurbani engraved kara except that the maker is probably making some extra bucks from you for the service.

    I have even heard some crazy sikhs say that you should wash your mouth out before reading paath ???
    Now, most of us do wash our mouths before we start the day by brushing and rinsing. We would also do this after we woke up and before we do nitnem anyway, as part of getting ready for the new day.
    Ask yourself, that if you are saying the mool mantar from your heart via your own voice and mouth,-is it going to come out cleaner and better if you wash your mouth out with mouthwash or better still if you rinse it with amrit from the gurdwara???
    The 'Guru's WORD' will still be the same depending how you pronounce it. It doesn't get dirtier or cleaner either way.

    I hope that helps answer your honest and genuine question.
    I hope you don't get offended with my tone of voice, but it seems this same issue has many different brahminized disguises and catches out many of our fellow sikhs.

    Another way to look at it, is ask if it affects your consciousness or not ?
     
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    You review all the fundamental points Luckysingh ji!


    The topic of engraved karas has been discussed on at least 4 different threads all of which cover the same ground and the same opinions. Here is one: What Are Your Views of Gurbani Engraved Karas? So far not a lot that is new is dealt with on this thread, aside from Lucky ji's summing up and creating a focus that is contemporary.

    Link: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/39048-what-your-views-gurbani-engraved-karas.html

    The thread has been moved to Sikh Youth. If talk becomes repetitious, this thread will be merged with the above mentioned thread.
     
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    Thanks for the link to the other thread... I did search using "karas, gurbani" as the search terms but nothing specific came up.

    I myself just want to find a sarbloh one... I currently have steel, and it's just a personal preference I know that the whole debate on iron vs steel came up before too (and the end consensus was that steel is an alloy of iron so therefore its a moot point) I just really like the rust resistant white iron ones. I came across the website I mentioned in the process and was just wondering because yes, I have heard the arguments about gurbani shouldn't be on your phone or computer (I do have the full SGGS on my Android phone so that I can read japji Sahib while at work since I have to be there so early etc.) and also using it on things as you mentioned like wedding invitations etc. I have personally never seen anyone in my Sangat wearing one with engraving on it, so I thought I'd ask. You summed it up quite well!!! Thanks!
     
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    One of our granthis has an ik onkar tattoo on the back of his hand. It looks really old and faded.
     
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    Alot of older sikhs have this and it is usually a very faded greenish colour.
    My grandfather had one and told me that it was done by most of the sikhs that were in the military.
     
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    We also have here at SPN a long standing and much viewed thread on tattoos.
     
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    is the "HAND" old and faded too ?? ha ha
     
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    Gurbani is for the SOUL..not "Branding"....Branding is for COWS !!
     
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    The more we have such Gurbani tuks around us (on walls, kara, cars, shirts, wallpaper), the lesser we read them and understand them.

    Let's not make things redundant. Let's find a new insight.
     
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    Lucky ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    I must make one thing clear here. I have a custom made bib for my lap top and I use a mask while Skyping.

    @ Akasha ji. On the real question, it matters naught what is written on the kara or on other kakaars. It only matters how they make you a better person. Kakaars for me are like 'Post-it' reminder notes for our Munn.

    Tejwant Singh
     
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