God Is Wonderful

[pk70]

Respected SPN Sangat Ji
Sri Guru Granth Sahib is complied in a way that no one could insert something displaying one’s own illusions ,same way, Guru Nanak doesn’t stop on “Ik Onkar” expressed in Mool Mantra, he keeps expressing Him in numerous shabadas to make sure his followers don’t get stuck only with one thing. If that Mool Mantra was enough, why would Guru Keeps trying to express Him further as Nirgun(formless ) and Sargun(with form)? There is absolutely no Guru Vaak that supports God as a principle or a spiritual metaphysical energy, even in the Mool Mantra that is not expressed.
No one can claim that only he or she is right in understanding Gurbani perfectly, any claim in this regards will be laughable; however, when a fact is repeatedly interpreted by Gurus themselves and other revered contributors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, why then people’s own thinking should be accepted as Gurbani defined fact. If repeated fact is ignored by adamant minds, the one, who believe in only Guru ji’s version instead of believing in floating around knowledge, must challenge that with evidence from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, same thing I have been trying to do for almost a year.; and I challenge all (who see a problem in it), to interpret the same Guru Vakas under discussion otherwise (different way) with proofs from Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Laughable are the limitations we measure up to the perfection.
With regards
G Singh

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Teji Ji,

Thanks for your kind words and support. It is like the story of a donkey, man and son-who could not make any one happy. I have given many references in Bibliography one should look those Sabds or offer their own views as they understand and we can respectfully agree to disagree not like the comments like” I have seen you doing this for several years like this" and then hiding behind the E-mail address.

After posting 100 + threads I was told not to use single hymns but full Sabds which is impossible in an academic article, so I started using bibliography but moderators do allow others to use one liners.

In this scientific world individuals would like to use these inventions depending one form of the energy or other. Energy can change form but its totality remains the same and so is God. Guru Nanak in Raag Asa and Kabir in Raag Gauri says it clearly on AGGS page, 9, 349, and 343 it does not increase or decrease. Closed mind individuals can have their own understanding. One learns from each other till we die. Every one is a pupil and teacher. Criticizing takes one no where but makes it unpalatable.

Thanks again.

Cordially,

Virinder

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Teji Ji,

Thanks for your kind words and encouragement.

Those who fathom God cannot behold It and those who behold God cannot fathom it.

I would like to know from the moderators why have they held my 3-4 articles containing full Sabds under the heading of "Leaders". What is it all about?

Cordially,

Virinder

 

[mystique_void]

"Those who fathom God cannot behold It and those who
behold God cannot fathom it."

Dear Sir,

How would you describe the above statement of yours - is it
a proverb, an axiom, a conjecture, a hypothesis, a proven
fact or based on emotions?

"I would like to know from the moderators why have
they held my 3-4 articles containing full Sabds under
the heading of "Leaders". What is it all about?"

Could you please talk to the moderators privately about this?
There is no reason why people like me reading the forum
should know about your personal affairs with respect to
which articles got through and which did not.

Regards,

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Mystique Ji,

This is how I feel it. Let me know how do you feel and show yourself rather hiding behind your E mail address. I would like to know more about you before we can debate further.

My second response and question was to Tejwant Ji and not you.

Cordially,

Virinder

Virinder

 

[spnadmin]

mystique void ji

The title of thread: God is Wonderful. It is true isn't it? In Gurbani we read "kahu naanak" 408 times. Is Nanak talking to a "universal principle?" I don't think that is possible, as Guru Nanak was inspired but not crazy.

Forgive me anyone if I have embarrassed you with my foolishness, or my childish understanding.

But would you agree with me that a distinctive thing about Sikhism is that it is a theistic religion? There is a God in both nirgun and sargun form? That Akaal can be felt and sensed in a personal way?

:}8-:

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Aad Ji,

I just posted an article on Nirgun & Sargun God.

Cordially,

Virinder

 

[spnadmin]

I know.

 

[mystique_void]

"This is how I feel it. Let me know how do you feel and
show yourself rather hiding behind your E mail address."

Dear Sir,

I'm not hiding anything. I'm using a login ID like other members.
The Canadian flag on my profile shows that I'm from Canada.
Let me know what else you'd like me to show: telephone number,
home address, references, height, weight, picture?

"I would like to know more about you before we can debate further."

You are assuming that I'm trying to have a debate with you.
At seminars or conferences or Town Hall meetings, when people
ask questions from the presenter, that doesn't necessarily indicate
their interest in having a debate with the presenter. They often
ask questions to have a better understanding of the views
expressed.


Regards,

Kulbir Singh

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Here we go again from one forum to another always disagreeing. Thanks for revealing yourself. There is no need of going any further we already had enough disagreements on GLZ.

Let us respectfully end it here.

Cordially,

Virinder

 

[mystique_void]

I'm afraid Virinder Singh ji, it's not going to end the
way you would like it to end. I'm a member of this
forum and I've as much right to ask you to justify
your assertions as you have to post them.

No-one escapes accountability with a little cute
one liner: 'Let us agree to disagree'. I never heard of
anyone posting essays on Jewish groups denying
holocaust and when asked to explain dismissing
the queries with 'Let us agree to disagree' or
'This is my understanding'. All ground-breaking
theories are examined and verified very very
carefully and the onus of proof is always on the
person presenting the theories and not on those
asking for proof.

With love and regards,

 

[vsgrewal48895]

Dear Kulbir Ji,

I have nothing to explain to you and thanks for your valuable interaction. Good Buy.

Respectfully submitted.

Virinder

 

[Astroboy]

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ਛੰਤ ॥
आसा महला ४ छंत ॥
Āsā mėhlā 4 cẖẖanṯ.
Asa 4th Guru. Chhant.

ਵਡਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਆਦਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
वडा मेरा गोविंदु अगम अगोचरु आदि निरंजनु निरंकारु जीउ ॥
vadā merā govinḏ agam agocẖar āḏ niranjan nirankār jī▫o.
My great Lord is unapproachable incomprehensible primal immaculate and formless.

ਤਾ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਅਮਿਤਿ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਮੇਰਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰ ਜੀਉ ॥
ता की गति कही न जाई अमिति वडिआई मेरा गोविंदु अलख अपार जीउ ॥
Ŧā kī gaṯ kahī na jā▫ī amiṯ vadi▫ā▫ī merā govinḏ alakẖ apār jī▫o.
His condition cannot be described immeasurable is his glory My world - Lord is invisible and infinite.

ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰੁ ਆਪੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
गोविंदु अलख अपारु अपर्मपरु आपु आपणा जाणै ॥
Govinḏ alakẖ apār aprampar āp āpṇā jāṇai.
The universe preserver is incomprehensible infinite and illimitable He himself know His ownself

ਕਿਆ ਇਹ ਜੰਤ ਵਿਚਾਰੇ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੈ ॥
किआ इह जंत विचारे कहीअहि जो तुधु आखि वखाणै ॥
Ki▫ā ih janṯ vicẖāre kahī▫ahi jo ṯuḏẖ ākẖ vakẖāṇai.
What should these poor creatures utter which may amount to narrating and describing thee O Lord.

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਤੂੰ ਅਪਣੀ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਕਰੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
जिस नो नदरि करहि तूं अपणी सो गुरमुखि करे वीचारु जीउ ॥
Jis no naḏar karahi ṯūʼn apṇī so gurmukẖ kare vīcẖār jī▫o.
He on whom thou castest. Thy glance of grace reflects on thee under Guru instruction.

ਵਡਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਆਦਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
वडा मेरा गोविंदु अगम अगोचरु आदि निरंजनु निरंकारु जीउ ॥१॥
vadā merā govinḏ agam agocẖar āḏ niranjan nirankār jī▫o. ||1||
My great Lord is unreachable unapprehensible eternal pure and formless

ਤੂੰ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਾਰੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
तूं आदि पुरखु अपर्मपरु करता तेरा पारु न पाइआ जाइ जीउ ॥
Ŧūʼn āḏ purakẖ aprampar karṯā ṯerā pār na pā▫i▫ā jā▫e jī▫o.
O primal Lord thou art the remotest of the remote creator. Thy limit cannot be ascertained.

ਤੂੰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
तूं घट घट अंतरि सरब निरंतरि सभ महि रहिआ समाइ जीउ ॥
Ŧūʼn gẖat gẖat anṯar sarab niranṯar sabẖ mėh rahi▫ā samā▫e jī▫o.
Thou art uninterruptedly present in all the hearts and in everything thou are contained amongst all.

ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
घट अंतरि पारब्रहमु परमेसरु ता का अंतु न पाइआ ॥
Gẖat anṯar pārbarahm parmesar ṯā kā anṯ na pā▫i▫ā.
Within the mind is the transcendent Lord the Supreme master whose end cannot be found.

ਤਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖ ਅਦਿਸਟੁ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਲਖੁ ਲਖਾਇਆ ॥
तिसु रूपु न रेख अदिसटु अगोचरु गुरमुखि अलखु लखाइआ ॥
Ŧis rūp na rekẖ aḏisat agocẖar gurmukẖ alakẖ lakẖā▫i▫ā.
He has no form or outline He is unseeable and unknowable The invisible Lord is beheld by Guru's instruction

ਸਦਾ ਅਨੰਦਿ ਰਹੈ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਸਹਜੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
सदा अनंदि रहै दिनु राती सहजे नामि समाइ जीउ ॥
Saḏā anand rahai ḏin rāṯī sėhje nām samā▫e jī▫o.
He who perceives the Lord ever remains happy day and night and is easily absorbed in his Name.

ਤੂੰ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਾਰੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
तूं आदि पुरखु अपर्मपरु करता तेरा पारु न पाइआ जाइ जीउ ॥२॥
Ŧūʼn āḏ purakẖ aprampar karṯā ṯerā pār na pā▫i▫ā jā▫e jī▫o. ||2||
O primal Lord thou art the illimitable creator thy limit cannot be found.

ਤੂੰ ਸਤਿ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
तूं सति परमेसरु सदा अबिनासी हरि हरि गुणी निधानु जीउ ॥
Ŧūʼn saṯ parmesar saḏā abẖināsī har har guṇī niḏẖān jī▫o.
Thou art the true supreme master ever imperishable the Lord God is the treasure of excellences (virtues)

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਤੂੰ ਆਪੇ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸੁਜਾਨੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
हरि हरि प्रभु एको अवरु न कोई तूं आपे पुरखु सुजानु जीउ ॥
Har har parabẖ eko avar na ko▫ī ṯūʼn āpe purakẖ sujān jī▫o.
Lord God the master is but one there is not any other thou thyself art the omniscient Lord

ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸੁਜਾਨੁ ਤੂੰ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ਤੁਧੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥
पुरखु सुजानु तूं परधानु तुधु जेवडु अवरु न कोई ॥
Purakẖ sujān ṯūʼn parḏẖān ṯuḏẖ jevad avar na ko▫ī.
Thou art the all knowing and the most exalted Lord None is so great as thee.

ਤੇਰਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਭੁ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਵਰਤਹਿ ਤੂੰ ਆਪੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੁ ਹੋਈ ॥
तेरा सबदु सभु तूंहै वरतहि तूं आपे करहि सु होई ॥
Ŧerā sabaḏ sabẖ ṯūʼnhai varṯėh ṯūʼn āpe karahi so ho▫ī.
Thine is the command thou pervadest all the thing. What thyself does that comes to pass.

ਹਰਿ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਏਕੋ ਸੋਈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਲਖਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜੀਉ ॥
हरि सभ महि रविआ एको सोई गुरमुखि लखिआ हरि नामु जीउ ॥
Har sabẖ mėh ravi▫ā eko so▫ī gurmukẖ lakẖi▫ā har nām jī▫o.
He the one Lord is contained amongst all and through the Guru God is Name is comprehended

ਤੂੰ ਸਤਿ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
तूं सति परमेसरु सदा अबिनासी हरि हरि गुणी निधानु जीउ ॥३॥
Ŧūʼn saṯ parmesar saḏā abẖināsī har har guṇī niḏẖān jī▫o. ||3||
Thou art the true supreme master and art ever imperishable. The Lord God is the treasure of excellences

ਸਭੁ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
सभु तूंहै करता सभ तेरी वडिआई जिउ भावै तिवै चलाइ जीउ ॥
Sabẖ ṯūʼnhai karṯā sabẖ ṯerī vadi▫ā▫ī ji▫o bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalā▫e jī▫o.
Thou art the Creator off all greatness is thin and as it pleseth Thee so drivest thou the mortal.

ਤੁਧੁ ਆਪੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵਹਿ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
तुधु आपे भावै तिवै चलावहि सभ तेरै सबदि समाइ जीउ ॥
Ŧuḏẖ āpe bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvėh sabẖ ṯerai sabaḏ samā▫e jī▫o.
As thou Thyself likest, so drivest thou the mortals.

ਸਭ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ ਜਾਂ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤੇਰੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥
सभ सबदि समावै जां तुधु भावै तेरै सबदि वडिआई ॥
Sabẖ sabaḏ samāvai jāʼn ṯuḏẖ bẖāvai ṯerai sabaḏ vadi▫ā▫ī.
All are merged in (subject to) thy command subject to thy order are all and when thou so willest man gets greatness through the Name.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੁਧਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਈਐ ਸਬਦੇ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
गुरमुखि बुधि पाईऐ आपु गवाईऐ सबदे रहिआ समाई ॥
Gurmukẖ buḏẖ pā▫ī▫ai āp gavā▫ī▫ai sabḏe rahi▫ā samā▫ī.
Through the Guru one obtains wisdom effaces his self conceit and remains absorbed in the Lord.

ਤੇਰਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
तेरा सबदु अगोचरु गुरमुखि पाईऐ नानक नामि समाइ जीउ ॥
Ŧerā sabaḏ agocẖar gurmukẖ pā▫ī▫ai Nānak nām samā▫e jī▫o.
Nanak through the Guru thy incomprehensible Name is obtained and the man remains absorbed in O Lord.

ਸਭੁ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੪॥
सभु तूंहै करता सभ तेरी वडिआई जिउ भावै तिवै चलाइ जीउ ॥४॥७॥१४॥
Sabẖ ṯūʼnhai karṯā sabẖ ṯerī vadi▫ā▫ī ji▫o bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalā▫e jī▫o. ||4||7||14||
Thou are the Creator of all. All greatness is thine. As it pleasth thee so drivest thou the mortals.