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Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by Astroboy, Jul 13, 2008.

  1. Astroboy

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    Are we playing SPOT THE DIFFERENCES OR SIMILARITIES ?
    You decide. Good Luck.


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    I believe this thread will eventually become very popular as they are no fixed rules other than the Forum Rules.
    So everyone join in and make it a popular place to share pics and ideas.
     
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    Nam Jap,

    That is a good idea. As in an open forum chat. It will take off.

    BTW the pictures to compare. Once I read the title thread then I started automatically looking for similarities -- because the thread title implied it. But actually to be honest I saw the differences instantly and then looked for similarites and said, Oh Yes!

    hah!
     
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    seems there are, actually there is not much similar Answer to first one
     
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    Here two kinds of offices are put there, all similarities in the office but no similarities as they are run. Environments are totally different. Remember, the strict one, no jumping, the liberal, jumping is possible possible. Sometime similarities define each others. Strictly my views. Is there possibility of being right?:rolleyes:
     
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    pk70 ji

    I think there is a picture of your avatar on the tv screens. A picture of your picture. That is cool. :cool:
     
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    How did I miss it? Obviously we learn about our limits from those who show us what we don't:idea:. Thanks a lot!
     
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    I could be wrong, but the screen on the right, it looks like a fish.
     
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    Now I see it, you see only after it is pointed out by you before I didn't look at those screens carefully, that was my limit I pointed out, Thanks again Bhainji
    :happy:
     
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    While we are at it, water wheels have always facinated me till the present day. Which was the first civilisation which used water wheels ?

    Here's a 3D of how a water wheel operates but modus operandi isn't clearto me.
    Can someone fill me on this ?

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    What was the first civilization to use water wheels?
     
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    Lets see if we can go back and brushup on some of our physics

    The undershot water wheel is easy to explain once you get a grasp of the overshot water wheel.

    Here I will explain the overshot water wheel (the first cartoon picture on the left) …

    Water likes to travel from a high-energy state to a low-energy state. Which is why water runs down hill.

    At the top, the water has potential energy (PE) and kinetic energy (KE) (Motional energy). The traditional mechanical formula for the water at this stage would be E(total)= PE (water) + KE (water)

    Expanded:

    E = mg (delta-h) + ½ mv^2

    Where m is the mass of the water component
    G is the gravitational constant 9.8m/s^2
    Delta-h is the height at which the water is initially elevated (from the ground)
    V= velocity of the water component
    E= energy which is measured in Joules
    1 joule= 1 N*m = 1 Kg * m^2/s^2

    Because energy is conserved in a closed system…the water traveling from a higher height to a lower height has the capacity to perform Work.

    as it falls onto the wheel a force is applied tangential to one side of the wheel. And from traditional Newtonian mechanics we know that an unbalanced force will cause acceleration and motion


    From an energy standpoint:
    The Potential energy of the water is converted into kinetic energy (KE) as soon as it starts to fall. As soon as the water touches the wheel, the wheel starts to receive this energy and expresses it as motion.

    Total energy of the system now is = Energy (water) + Energy (wheel)


    In an ideal system (disregarding frictional forces)
    PE (water initial) + KE (water initial) = PE (water final) + KE (water final) + KE (wheel)
    (at any given point in space and time)


    E (water) gives its energy to E (wheel) as it falls. Potential energy of the water is converted into kinetic energy (motion)… (and in case of a wheel that translates to rotation as the falling water acts like a hand rotating a wheel…similar to how handicapped people move around on a wheelchair…applying a certain degree of force tangential to circumference of a wheel….the wheel spins)

    note: the water has lost energy as it travels from its height to the ground…the wheel takes that energy and uses it as motion (which is translated into work= N*meter displacement)

    as for the first civilization to use the water wheel…I would say Assyrians, Egyptians or Babylonians, maybe even some early indus civilizations as long as they were close to and overly dependant on river systems…would have used some sort of water wheel
     
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    LOL Which one? There are 3 correct answers. But not Assyrians, Egyptians or Babylonians. :ice:
     
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    who really knows conclusively where and when the water wheel was first utilized? i dont

    but my guesses where these places

    the greeks and romans definately utilized water wheels (they were a smart bunch) :unsure:
    but who knows if they actually developed it themselves or borrowed the technology from elsewhere

    but the babylonians had a wonder called 'the hanging gardens of babylon' which were said to have been watered by a waterwheel or a chain pump (very similiar to a water wheel):

    http://www.unmuseum.org/hangg.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_pump#Chain_pumps_in_the_Middle_East_and_Rome

    don't know about the credibility of such a site but it may just be true.
    the water wheel is definitely a derivative of a chain pump...and the waterwheel itself is a much less complicated system than a chain pump.

    so if they had chain pumps they had waterwheels. (a chain pump system is just the reverse of a waterwheel system)
     
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    chinese?

    they are quite smart :cool:
     
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    let's go by the logic of greatest dependence on water and i think we have to consider floods etc too..

    so my guess would be egyptians, chinese and indus
     
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    Sinisterji

    Check "waterwheel" in Wikipedia and you get a different answer.
     
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    Underwater Cities, Ruins and Other Urban Archeology: 7 Submerged Wonders of the World

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