Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

Do You Believe In Divine Intervention?

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Harry Haller, Sep 17, 2016.

?

Do You Believe In Divine Intervention?

  1. Yes, explain why?

    1 vote(s)
    100.0%
  2. No, explain why not?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Sorry, i have no idea!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    I am curious, how many at SPN believe in divine intervention?
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Loading...

    Similar Threads Forum Date
    Hard To Believe In God / Waheguru Hard Talk Aug 22, 2016
    Do You Believe In Love? Blogs Jun 15, 2016
    Do Sikhs believe in heaven or hell? Sikh Sikhi Sikhism Jan 31, 2016
    Cant believe its Chistmass Blogs Oct 17, 2015
    Is it secular to not believe in reincarnation? Sikh Sikhi Sikhism Jun 25, 2015

  3. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    It would be interesting because everyone has a different view on what divine is!

    For me since I believe the divine light is in everyone, and that all collectively are the divine, and that outside this reality all are one, then any time I see someone helping another, it's divine intervention. Anytime someone hurts someone, even though it's through ego or duality / separateness, it's still divine intervention. Because divine is all there is. There is only ONE doer. All else is illusory.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    ok, I see where your going with this, you believe that everything is divine, so all actions are by default divine intervention, do you thank god for this intervention ever?

    Also do you feel this intervention has judgement?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    I (the ego identity or haume) thank Waheguru (the true identity) for giving me this chance for realization. I (the ego identity) show that thanks by helping others whenever I can and showing compassion. My hope is to realize the true 'I AM' behind this haume or ego identity...that same I AM which is behind everyone and everything in existence. I view us as all having a sort of amnesia where we have forgotten our divine origins. Through this amnesia state we have forgotten who we are and built up these false identities based on the illusory temporary physical character we play. But we are not the character. We are the actor. And there is only one actor in this play. I believe there is no judgement because, the entire reality is being played out by Waheguru - someone once suggested that this reality is the act of the one creator God subjectively experiencing itself through its own creation. Essentially becoming self aware. The universe, or universal consciousness is becoming self aware as it's happening. So there is no judgement, only learning and evolution.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    Do you pray for certain outcomes?
     
  7. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    Why would I pray as if the divine is something separate from us? We are here and now so that means the divine is as well. We can affect outcomes of things...Thought has been shown scientifically to change the outcome of experiments to the effect that thought changes and even creates matter so if you are asking if I believe thought (and prayer) can affect change then yes. But I don't believe we are praying "to" some being who is separate and distant from us. Because the divine is within ourselves we only need to go within. So no I don't believe in asking for things via prayer. Rather I go within and try to effect change myself, either inwardly or outwardly.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    Would you pray for say a victim of a car crash in the hope of affecting an outcome?, even if it were praying to the divine within yourself?
     
  9. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    No I don't think I would. Rather I would try to do whatever I could to help them. Be by their side as support, donate blood, try to get donations to help pay for medical bills etc. I'd actually talk more to them... or to the divine within them to not give up. And that's what I have done in real life. Instead of talking to some distant deity I talked to the patient (hoping to reach that same divine light in them) to tell them don't give up, fight, you have more to do here in this life etc.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. swarn bains

    swarn bains United States
    Expand Collapse
    Poet SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    408
    Likes Received:
    125
    what do you mean by divine intervention, please elaborate?
     
  11. Tejwant Singh

    Tejwant Singh United States
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    4,559
    Likes Received:
    6,988
    That is more a view of the miracle seeking people, not of the Sikhs as Sikhi has no miracles to offer.

    One other important thing to ponder, as The Divine-God is omnipresent and omnipotent, His intervention contradicts these very two traits of his.

    Why would the omnipotent Divine need to intervene because by doing that it would make his 'powers' impotent?

    Hence, "Divine Intervention" is nothing but oxymoron in my opinion..
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    #10 Tejwant Singh, Sep 18, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2016
  12. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    How many here at SPN believe that by appeasing god, good things will happen that would not normally have happened, I guess that is the crux.
     
  13. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    What? Like human sacfirices etc? 'appeasing God' that's what came into my mind like Mayan / Aztec human sacrifices.
     
  14. japjisahib04

    japjisahib04 Kuwait
    Expand Collapse
    Mentor SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    1,283
    I feel divine is weparwah it is the nature which interferes. Whenever we try to make correction in His perfection, nature revolt and then situation like sunami takes places.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. Harry Haller

    Harry Haller United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse

    Moderator

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    7,945
    crumbs this hard, and it was supposed to be a simple post

    is being a Gursikh appeasing God?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    Being a Gursikh benefits myself. It's not to appease anyone else but for myself and my own spiritual Journey.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. namritanevaeh

    namritanevaeh Canada
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2012
    Messages:
    209
    Likes Received:
    296
    I can fathom the idea of a god, if one exists, being powerful the way I can envision the power of Mother Nature. In that sense, I would say I am more someone who would identify with a goddess rather than a god, but really who cares if one is male or female at the end of the day.

    I think it's possible, if one exists, that it has extreme power...the power to cause tornados and hurricanes, or heal someone who seems so broken that death is the only possibility. That being said, I think that such an entity, if it exists, lacks cognitive thought.

    I can not identify with the idea of a supreme being that is both omnipotent AND all loving (loving assumes a human nature, and that there is cognitive thought going on) because I view all the differences of opinion in terms of religion (causing holy wars), and the suffering of many individuals as a horrible thing that anything that is "all loving" could not possibly inflict upon its "children" if it was also omnipotent. To my mind it's one or the other. If you're both omnipotent (ie have the power to stop someone's suffering) and yet refuse to do so, you're not all loving, in which case God would equal the devil/satan etc. (Which I don't exactly believe in either). That's why I can see the idea of a god/supreme being that has power, but can't think to cause or relieve our suffering.
     
  18. Sikhilove

    Sikhilove United Kingdom
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    183
    Likes Received:
    68

    Good post.

    But don't hope it. Sit and realise it now. Close your eyes and realise that that is the Truth.

    There is no image, no Nothing- we are all equal in the Nothingness and its from the Nothingness that we all derive. There's only a frequency beyond which mortals can comprehend.

    Bow to the Truth and never get up from it.


    The first and most important lesson of Truth is to Always speak the Truth and Never tell a lie, not even a white lie.

    Thats number one.
     
    #17 Sikhilove, Sep 19, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2016
  19. Original

    Original
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    488
    ..really ? How might you explain this:

    Once upon a time, in a quite cul-de sac street, a disgruntled neighbour who'd fallen out with Sacha Singh over a boundary wall dispute turns up at his front door wielding a machete and threatening to kill him. Mr Sacha Singh's daughter Sikhilove opens the door and finds the neighbour burning with rage and fury. Renting and raving, wielding the machete from side to side the neighbour shouts at the top of his voice, "where is your dad" ? Whilst all the commotion is at the front door, Sacha Singh is in the back annexe, relaxing after a hard day's work, oblivious to it all.

    What must Sikhilove do ? If she speaks the truth her father gets killed and if she lies, she breaks the promise made with her father never to lie ?

    Your call !
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
    #18 Original, Sep 19, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2016
  20. Original

    Original
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    488
    ..you mean Gur Prasad ! For a good read, check out the following:
    1. synchronicity
    2. meaningful coincidences

    Brother H, thank you for shepherding us back to the spiritual barn; much needed after that bash with Kully n the gang.

    Leonardo da Vinci has something like this to say: 'much of my creativity came from the fact that I looked for the hidden meaning behind every event in my life. Even now, I often question myself if this event were a metaphor in the poem of my life and if I were to dig deep I'd might find the eternal jewels'. These eternal jewels are treasured in SGGSJ.

    Talk more later ...
     
    • Like Like x 1
  21. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    Easy. If you see someone wielding a weapon at your front door, do NOT open the door!!!! You can yell "go away the police are on their way" while you happen to be dealing 911.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page