Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

Opinion Did she really convert? Is Nikki Haley a Sikh?

Discussion in 'Breaking News' started by spnadmin, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Did she really convert? Is Nikki Haley a Sikh?

    Did she really convert? Is Nikki Haley a Sikh?

    Sangat ji forgive me!

    I was not going to post any more stories about Nikky Haley after two days of reading and posting, because, frankly I did not see how it might appeal to the broader readership of SPN. However, the story today, Sunday, is all over every news site. Now it seems the story has intrigued the India media, and rupeenews.com has posted this story. Its reach seems to have gone beyond the state of South Carolina and the US political scene. So here goes!


    South Carolina’s Sarah Palin-approved Republican primary candidate for governor, Nikki Haley, seems to be trying to highlight her belief in Jesus while downplaying the Sikh religion of her family in an effort to overcome damaging allegations of extramarital affairs and punishing attacks from her political foes. On Wednesday, a state lobbyist who had been attached to a rival political campaign became the second man to claim that he had a tryst with the 38-year-old Haley, while a longtime Republican state senator, Jake Knotts, who supports Haley rival Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer, called Haley a “raghead.”

    Knotts later said the reference (which he also used about President Obama) was “intended in jest.” Knotts is likely to survive the kerfuffle over his slur, however, while Haley’s political future is very much in doubt.

    Haley, a mother of two who has been married for 13 years, has strongly denied the adultery allegations but the damage they have done to her poll numbers may explain why Haley has begun to massage her public profile to put a greater emphasis on her Christian faith and, it seems, to downplay her Sikh background.

    Haley, a state representative, was born in South Carolina to Sikh immigrants from India. Sikhism, which is now the fifth-largest religion in the world, originated in 15th century India, in the Punjab region. Like many Eastern religions, it stresses a philosophical and meditative approach to religious practice and does not promote the idea of a personal God.

    Haley converted to Christianity when she was 24 — she is a Methodist — but as CBN’s David Brody shows in a detailed accounting of Haley’s religious makeover, until recently she stressed her Sikh roots and even the fact that she still attended both a Methodist church and a Sikh temple.

    Her 2004 campaign for the legislature, for example, played up her Sikh upbringing, as Brody notes, saying that “Nikki was proudly raised with her Indian traditions and her husband, Michael, was brought up in the Methodist faith” — no mention of her Christianity. Brody also pointed out that newspapers at the time ran headlines such as the one declaring Haley was “The First Member Of The Sikh Religion To Join A State Legislature In The United States.”

    These days, Nikki Haley is making no mention of her Sikh religious upbringing, noting only that her parents are Indian-born. And Brody also discovered that Haley’s official website recently modified its description of her religious beliefs to reflect a more explicit and enthusiastic embrace of Christianity.

    In April, this is how Haley’s website answered the question about whether she is a Christian — something she has often had to do given her background, much as Obama did:

    Truth: Nikki is a Christian. In her words: “I believe in the power and grace of Almighty God. I know, and have truly experienced, that with Him all things are possible. I have looked to Him for leadership throughout my career and will continue to do so as governor.”

    As of this month, the item has been tweaked and now says:
    Truth: In Nikki’s words: “My faith in Christ has a profound impact on my daily life and I look to Him for guidance with every decision I make. God has blessed my family in so many ways and my faith in the Lord gives me great strength on a daily basis. Being a Christian is not about words, but about living for Christ every day.”

    Brody asked Haley spokesman Tim Pearson about the shift in emphasis but said Pearson didn’t answer directly. He said only that Haley “attends Sikh services once or twice a year in respect for her family.”

    “Like millions of others, she honors her mother and her father and has great respect for their faith and the way that she was raised,” Pearson said. “Her faith in Christ guides her throughout her personal, professional, and public life, just as it has for many years.”

    Whether such professions of faith can help protect Haley against the adultery allegations — and allow her to overcome three rivals for the Republican nomination in next Tuesday’s primary — is uncertain. She got a big boost from the Palin endorsement, but polls show her ratings have since fallen off.

    On Thursday, she again denied the adultery reports and told a Columbia radio station that if she were elected governor and charges of adultery were proved she would resign the office — which would at least be an improvement on the track record of the man she hopes to replace, Mark Sanford. Politics Daily


    In all fairness, this is the most thoughtful and detailed analysis I have read in 3 days, and it gives us some issues to ponder and discuss that are relevant to Sikhs and Sikhism. :)
     

    Attached Files:

    • Like Like x 5
  2. Loading...


  3. kds1980

    kds1980 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,504
    Likes Received:
    2,738
    After reading about nikki hailey and bobby jindal I am fully convinced that minorities have to give up their religion,language culture to succeed in politics.USA which consider itself champoion of religious freedom cannot accept hindu or sikh politicians who could become
    governers.I don't understand with what face people criticise hindu majority of India for lack of tolerance against minorities when USA which is a country much more advanced than India cannot accept leaders from minority religions.

    As far Nikki hailey is concerned when she is saying that she christian then who are we to say whether she is christian or not
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Cool down Kanwardeep Singh ji

    From this story you would think that the entire US and all of its political machinery are against minorities, from minority religions. Not the case.

    The background on this, if I may bore everyone, comes from the political process as it is set up.

    Right now the state of South Carolina is in its primary election season. That means that people within all parties, primarily Republican and Democratic, are having elections within the party to see who will run for various positions for their party. The winners become the nominees for the general election.

    South Carolina, a former slave state, and one of the most conservative states in the US is heavily populated with extremely conservative, right-wing, Christian evangelical and fundamentalist voters. The state curiously is also pulling apart politically because of demographic and economic changes. So at this time, the electorate is divided between conservatives and liberals.

    At this point in time, the Republican party is experiencing this exact problem - will the extreme right or the more moderate elements select extremely conservative or moderate individuals for the party nominees?

    The Democratic Party is doing the same thing at the same time.

    Once this is over, the nominees will run against each other.

    The debate you are reading about was initiated by the extreme right within the Republican Party -- not at all representative of all of the voters in South Carolina, nor in the US. Why so? Why is this happening? Because there is an unwritten rule in American politics, as follows:

    During a primary, appeal to the base (the people who will vote you as a party-nominee). During a general election, appeal to the center (the people who will get you elected).

    Senator Knotts is contesting the way he is because he thinks that he represents the base of the Republican party in SC.

    He is wrong. Because already the Republican party in South Carolina has condemned him and has thrown its weight behind Nikki Haley.

    Give me a minute and I will find a link on this point.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  5. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    S.C. Republicans condemn 'raghead' comment

    South Carolina Republicans were quick Thursday evening to condemn the remarks of a prominent Republican State Senator, Jake Knotts, who referred to a gubernatorial candidate as a "raghead" on an online political show today. [Knotts also referred to President Obama with the same term.]

    Knotts, a foe of Governor Mark Sanford and his protege, State Rep. Nikki Haley, made the remark of Haley on the local webcast Pub Politics.

    Haley was born a Sikh, and the slur can refer to Arabs, Muslims, or those who -- like Sikh men -- wear turbans. She is a convert to Christianity.

    The video is not currently available.

    “The South Carolina Republican Party strongly condemns any use of racial or religious slurs. Senator Knotts should apologize for his inappropriate comments, so that we can put this unfortunate incident behind us and focus on issues important to moving our state forward," said Republican Party Chair Karen Floyd in a statement.

    Said Haley spokesman Tim Pearson:

    “Jake Knotts represents all that is wrong with South Carolina politics. He’s an embarrassment to our state and to the Republican Party. South Carolina is so much better than this, and the people of our state will make that quite clear next Tuesday.”

    UPDATE: The State, quoting people who watched the show, quotes Knotts as saying:

    “We already got one raghead in the White House, we don’t need a raghead in the governor’s mansion."

    UPDATE: The State's John O'Connor quotes a partial apology from Knotts: "I still believe Ms. Haley is pretending to be someone she is not, much as Obama did, but I apologize to both for an unintended slur."
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. kds1980

    kds1980 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,504
    Likes Received:
    2,738
    I am not saying america is against minorities .It can provide them all the religious freedom
    but when it comes to somethings like politics then they may not like them to rule over them even if they are better than their co religionist born politicians.

    Is it not true that Obama to have to convince american public that he is christian when someone mentioned that his full name is barrack hussain Obama?
     
  7. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Kanwardeep Singh ji

    It is true that Obama had to convince SOME OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC that he is a christian.

    One slice of the American electorate does not define the electorate at large, though the media can make it seem that it does.

    The fact is he won the presidential election. He did not win because of his religion. He won on his health care platform and commitment to the environment and economic policies. His ratings are now slipping but they are not slipping because of religion. They are slipping because of Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy and the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    That second article that I posted is pretty good at explaining how primary election politics work in the US.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. kds1980

    kds1980 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,504
    Likes Received:
    2,738
    I agree that he won election not because of his religion.Infact he can't only win it on the basis of religion because all candidates are christians but isn't it the same type of mentality which all countries have.In India to be a chief minister of Punjab you must be jatt sikh,to be a chief of kashmir you must be a muslim and for rest of India you must be of that region with hindu.So what is difference between america and India? In order to win election you have to change your religion and prove to public that you are christian.

    As far nikki hailey is concerned I am sorry to say that no issue related to her should be discussed on sikh forums just because she was born sikh.She just sold her sikh faith for political success so their should be no discussion about it unless she claims herself that she is sikh
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. jonathan

    jonathan
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    4
    :redturban: Apparently the population of South Carolina saw through the good ole boy smear tactics used against Mrs Haley and have voted her in by a large majority.
    Old politicians like Jake Knotts and his ilk have been like kingsnakes,devouring their viper enemies with immunity. But what happens when a Kingsnake takes on a Cobra.
    See for yourselves.
     
  10. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Nikki Haley for the record converted to the Methodist religion at the age of 24. Was she involved in politics at that time?
     
    #9 spnadmin, Jun 27, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 27, 2010
  11. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Who is the Cobra? And are you professing a liking for cobras? :happykaur:
     
  12. jonathan

    jonathan
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    4
    :blueturban:Cobras happen to be very intelligent members of the snake family.
    They are like Kingsnakes in that they eat other snakes.
    I was an exotic dealer in reptiles for many years so Yes I like snakes.
    Especially cobras
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Thanks jonathan ji for your interesting background information.

    From where I stand the story about Nikki Haley morphed from the original story, into a story about a Sikh who converted to a Christian faith. Many say they are confused about her real religious identity. The story left a number of journalists and bloggers racing to figure out what a Sikh is before they could write their columns. Is that really the point of these stories?

    Nikki Haley's religious affiliations are relevant only to the voters in South Carolina. No one else will be voting for her in November. On the other hand, the idea of calling her a "rag head" is relevant to 25 million Sikhs worldwide. And it is very relevant to Sikhs living in the US.

    I thought this story was really about the "turban problem," and the "rag head label" By that I mean the constant stereotyping of Sikhs, and the use of "raghead" as a derogatory comment that simply won't go away. I also thought that the story in the large did portray Jesse Knots, as a King Snake, who imagined he was wearing a crown and found out that the members of the royal court were not laughing at the king's joke. He even found out that he wasn't a king in his own South Carolina court. It seems that other royal members of the Khalsa knighthood were not amused either: Civil liberties groups like SALDEV and Sikh Coalition.

    So to continue with your magic analogy. Who is the cobra in this instance? Nikki Haley? The Republican Party of South Carolina that denounced Jesse Knots within hours? The electorate in South Carolina that is becoming tired of being tarred with the Jesse Knotts stereotype of a Southern red-neck, who has nothing intelligent to add to a debate and plenty of racism? The South Carolina Republicans who backed her as the Republican nominee for the state Governor's race in November? There are a lot of candidates for King Cobra in this story. SALDEV? Sikh Coalition?

    I don't know if I 'like" cobras but I sure do respect them.

    And forgive me if I seem intense. But yesterday on facebook a new group was formed, called "Dam! ran out of toilet paper. Excuse me can I use your turban?" And I am trying to get people to complain to SALDEF.

    welcomekaur
     
  14. kds1980

    kds1980 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,504
    Likes Received:
    2,738
    I heard this logic from her as well as bobby jindal's supporters.Is it a co incidence that both high indian origin politicians converted to christianity when large majority prefer to retain their original religion?BTW politicians have very sharp mind and extremely long term vision.They very well know hat religion to adopt,what culture to choose,what language to speak? from very early in life if they have politics as career in their mind O/W they can't be good politician.

    Just giving you little example Indira's husband Whose caste is still a mystery changed his caste to Gandhi quite early after their marriage.At that time neither India was freed neither it was sure that Nehru will become PM of India.
    but that sharp move worked and nehru - Gandhi dynasity is still ruling India.

    Some say Feroze was Khan some say his caste was ghandy ,ghanges but he changed it to gandhi because either he or nehru or Indira knew how much popular Gandhi is
     
  15. lionprinceuk

    lionprinceuk
    Expand Collapse
    (previously Lion_Prince_Jatinder)
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2004
    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    31
    These politicians can just about show belief in anything to show votes. I see it as a way to yo earn votes or whatever.
     
  16. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Is this story about Nikki - the turncoat, "traitor to Sikhi," whom cynics think is so confused about her Sikh heritage that she can't even convince the Christian right that she is Methodist?

    Or is this story about calling people - rag heads - in a democracy where religious differences should not be soiled with hate speech? If you can get away with that, then should you get away with calling a turban toilet paper?

    "Dam!, ran out of toliet paper Excuse me can i use your turban?" | Facebook

    How do you want to spend your energy? Questioning the religious integrity of a Nikki Haley in South Carolina, whom most of us never heard of before this? The people in South Carolina decided that they would wash their hands of imbeciles like Senator Jesse Knotts. That was a first step for them and many other US citizens who never had to think seriously about Sikhs, Sikhi or Sikh identity prior to this election.

    Consider a phone call or an email to SALDEF to continue their work for Sikh advocacy. Be an advocate for change.
     
    #15 spnadmin, Jun 27, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 27, 2010
  17. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
  18. jonathan

    jonathan
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    4
    :redturban: Jake Knotts was known by a friend of mine when he was in highschool.
    He has described Jakie as a bully in school and he admitted to fighting Jakie once a week to defend the other children. Jakie claims that he takes pride in the term redneck in the definition of a man who works in the field and gets a sun tan and feeds his family.
    This definition does not fit Jakie. He has never worked in a field or on any farm.
    He went from high school to Navy to police officer where he was known for his abuse of power. I on the other hand do work the land and grown things.
    But I still do not want to be called a redneck,
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    jonathan ji

    I do think the term red neck has changed a lot from its original meaning. Yes - it has the core of a person working hard to earn an honorable living and live an honorable life. Most of all name-calling is not only hurtful and it distorts reality in serious ways.

    Also - Thanks for this personal insight into how the matter is seen by people on the ground in South Carolina so to speak. This is one of those times when it should be simple, not hard, to isolate the fundamentals and see that there are people who can separate right from wrong, and the main idea from the ugly distractions. My regards to you and your friend deleted name as it was the name of the wrong person.
     
    #18 spnadmin, Jun 27, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 28, 2010
  20. jonathan

    jonathan
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    4
    Jake is no friend of mine.
    I don't know how you got that impression.
     
  21. jonathan

    jonathan
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    4
    :redturban: I consider any derision of Nikkis freedom to profess whatever religion she chooses to be intolerance in itself. Expecting the non Sikhs to be respectful of you includes your responsibility to respect the choices of those who choose a different spiritual path, even if it means someone walking away from Sikhism. Do not become dogmatic and authoritarian like those muslims,pentacostals,holiness,mormons ect who believe in their way or the highway.
    If your sword is dull and your live like a loner.
    Give your karma a new path and your sword a different honer.swordfight
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page